A Fall into DOOM (Cinder Fall vs Doomguy) (1-2-0)

[koopa3144]

• Fight takes place in an abandoned city
• Eternal Doomguy and Post-Beacon Cinder are being used
• stating distance is 20 meters
• Speed is equalized
• SBA for anything else

Cinder: 1
2.688133365200764846 Megatons of TNT
Doomguy: 2
2.84712099125 Megatons of TNT
Incon: 0

 

[koopa3144]

Bump

 

[Da3ggman]

Doomsayer about to catch another body

 

[Da3ggman]

Anyway, Doomsayer ***** on Cinder. He outskills to Hell and back (pun intended), resists most of what she can throw at him, and can just turn invincible, multiply his damage by 4, and beat the crap out of her until her Aura breaks. At that point, its over.

 

[koopa3144]

Anyway, Doomsayer ***** on Cinder. He outskills to Hell and back (pun intended), resists most of what she can throw at him, and can just turn invincible, multiply his damage by 4, and beat the crap out of her until her Aura breaks. At that point, its over.

Do you want me to you as a vote for Doomguy now or do you wanna wait of RWBY supporters to comment?

 

[Da3ggman]

Do you want me to you as a vote for Doomguy now or do you wanna wait of RWBY supporters to comment?

Just count me for Doom. I don't know how they can even argue for her when her main attack literally does nothing to him lol.

 

[koopa3144]

Just count me for Doom. I don't know how they can even argue for her when her main attack literally does nothing to him lol.

Counted!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Anyway, Doomsayer ***** on Cinder. He outskills to Hell and back (pun intended), resists most of what she can throw at him, and can just turn invincible, multiply his damage by 4, and beat the crap out of her until her Aura breaks. At that point, its over.

He definitely does not outskill lmao, Yang beat him in skill in the previous thread and Cinder is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang in skill

And nothing stops her from just flying out of his range and nuking the battlefield as is in character for her to do

 

[Da3ggman]

He definitely does not outskill lmao, Yang beat him in skill in the previous thread and Cinder is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yang in skill

Firstly, I'd just like to say that it was a bitch and a half to find that thread. Secondly, why tf is any of this shit on her profile? Like, she's only. rated at "skilled martial artist".

And nothing stops her from just flying out of his range and nuking the battlefield as is in character for her to do

What exactly will she be nuking with?

 

[Knifeman29]

What exactly will she be nuking with?

Fire attacks mostly.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Firstly, I'd just like to say that it was a bitch and a half to find that thread. Secondly, why tf is any of this shit on her profile? Like, she's only. rated at "skilled martial artist".

Yeah sorry, the pages currently outdated, the RWBY team is currently working on updating the pages as well as writing up a full blog outlining the skill of the verse as it gets brought up so frequently

What exactly will she be nuking with?

AoE fire, as well as explosive weapons and explosive arrows

Also if she lands ice on him he's kinda screwed, he resists ice damage but not being fully encased in ice, and Cinder's ice can trap people 10x physically stronger than Doomguy

 

[koopa3144]

Also if she lands ice on him he's kinda screwed, he resists ice damage but not being fully encased in ice, and Cinder's ice can trap people 10x physically stronger than Doomguy

He completely unaffected by his ice bombs which fully encases demons in ice.

 

[Knifeman29]

I think I’m gonna go for doom to.

 

[koopa3144]

I think I’m gonna go for doom to.

Are you sure? The debate just started.

 

[Knifeman29]

nvm I jumped then gun

 

[Da3ggman]

Yeah sorry, the pages currently outdated, the RWBY team is currently working on updating the pages as well as writing up a full blog outlining the skill of the verse as it gets brought up so frequently

fair enough

AoE fire, as well as explosive weapons and explosive arrows

Fire and the heat from the explosives will literally do nothing, since his armor can walk off a 2 Million degree Celsius laser.

Also if she lands ice on him he's kinda screwed, he resists ice damage but not being fully encased in ice, and Cinder's ice can trap people 10x physically stronger than Doomguy

The bombs he resists encase demons in ice.

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Doomguy FRA.

 

[Knifeman29]

I vote to Doomguy FRA.

we should wait for more arguments to be made at this point, it just started

 

[Da3ggman]

we should wait for more arguments to be made at this point, it just started

Agreed. Also Koopa, could you retract my vote for Doomslayer? I want to wait for Weekly before decided my vote.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Much appreciated ^_^

I will be home from work soon and will be able to respond fully then

 

[koopa3144]

Agreed. Also Koopa, could you retract my vote for Doomslayer? I want to wait for Weekly before decided my vote.

Gotcha, your vote has been retracted.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sorry, took longer than expected

Fire and the heat from the explosives will literally do nothing, since his armor can walk off a 2 Million degree Celsius laser.

Its less about the heat and fire and more the force of the explosions and the danmaku of bladed weapons Cinder kinda spams in character. Doomguy has resistances to compensate for the elemental aspects but outside of his powerups, which only last for a limited amount of time, he can still be killed just from taking constant damage.

The bombs he resists encase demons in ice.

Ice bomb

The ice bomb is one of the auxillary weapons in Doom Eternal. Fired from the shoulder-mounted launcher of the Praetor suit, the ice bomb is a projectile that douses the target in "freezing gasses", causing a flash-freeze. The frozen enemy is then left immobile and helpless, and shatters after...

doomwiki.org

"Fired from the shoulder-mounted launcher of the Praetor suit, the ice bomb is a projectile that douses the target in "freezing gasses", causing a flash-freeze. The frozen enemy is then left immobile and helpless, and shatters after enough damage has been inflicted upon them."



This seems to be more akin to full freezing than encasement, as the enemies hit physically shatter when struck.

 

[Da3ggman]

Sorry, took longer than expected

Don't worry about it.

Its less about the heat and fire and more the force of the explosions and the danmaku of bladed weapons Cinder kinda spams in character. Doomguy has resistances to compensate for the elemental aspects but outside of his powerups, which only last for a limited amount of time, he can still be killed just from taking constant damage.

Fair. Still, while those powerups are temporary, they give him absolutely monstrous advantages, like a an additional 4x multiplier to his AP advantage and invulnerability. This is also not including his other variety of stat boosting powerups that he could use in succession to keep the pressure on her even when the previous ones run out.

Ice bomb

The ice bomb is one of the auxillary weapons in Doom Eternal. Fired from the shoulder-mounted launcher of the Praetor suit, the ice bomb is a projectile that douses the target in "freezing gasses", causing a flash-freeze. The frozen enemy is then left immobile and helpless, and shatters after...

doomwiki.org

"Fired from the shoulder-mounted launcher of the Praetor suit, the ice bomb is a projectile that douses the target in "freezing gasses", causing a flash-freeze. The frozen enemy is then left immobile and helpless, and shatters after enough damage has been inflicted upon them."



This seems to be more akin to full freezing than encasement, as the enemies hit physically shatter when struck.

Wouldn't this just provide a better resistance, since its encasement vs full freezing?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Fair. Still, while those powerups are temporary, they give him absolutely monstrous advantages, like a an additional 4x multiplier to his AP advantage and invulnerability. This is also not including his other variety of stat boosting powerups that he could use in succession to keep the pressure on her even when the previous ones run out.

True, though this does get counterbalanced by Cinder's Aura, which is able to protect her from attacks several times her physical durability, as well as additional forcefields she can create thanks to her Maiden powers and her ability to freely fly away if she realizes shes being overpowered in CQC.

Wouldn't this just provide a better resistance, since its encasement vs full freezing?

Eh not exactly, Doomguy's resistance is towards internal freezing, Cinder's is external, she's not freezing him internally shes just trapping him in a block of ice strong enough that people on par with Cinder in strength and power cant escape. Doomguy's ice resistance wouldnt really help him there.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also, should probably clarify:

and beat the crap out of her until her Aura breaks. At that point, its over.

That wouldnt really do anything, Aura breaks leading to instant incap isnt a thing beyond the Beacon arc, the cast as a whole are trained to the point of being able to keep fighting even after their aura goes down, and they dont get any weaker or less durable when their aura goes down, it just leaves them open to actually being hurt. Also, Cinder's Maiden powers dont come from her Aura, so breaking her Aura wouldnt really hinder her ability to fight, in comparable terms breaking her Aura is like destroying Slayer's Praetor Suit.

 

[koopa3144]

True, though this does get counterbalanced by Cinder's Aura, which is able to protect her from attacks several times her physical durability, as well as additional forcefields she can create thanks to her Maiden powers and her ability to freely fly away if she realizes shes being overpowered in CQC.

If she tries to fly away Doomguy can use his Super Shotguns Meat Hook to pull himself too her or use one of his numerous weapons like his Rocket Launcher which can shot homing rockets, or the BFG which shoots a projectile with releases tendrils that can paralyze foes.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If she tries to fly away Doomguy can use his Super Shotguns Meat Hook to pull himself too her

Does the hook even have range that far? And what stops her from just dodging the hook?

or use one of his numerous weapons like his Rocket Launcher which can shot homing rockets,

Homing rockets are nothing new, characters far below cinder in both speed and skill are able to shoot swarms of homing rockets out of the air casually

or the BFG which shoots a projectile with releases tendrils that can paralyze foes.

The BFG would be useful if not for its projectile being very, very slow, much slower than would ever viably hit Cinder

 

[koopa3144]

Does the hook even have range that far? And what stops her from just dodging the hook?

The hook comes out almost instantly and Doomguy could try to hook her as soon as she begins to fly away to avoid the range problem.

The BFG would be useful if not for its projectile being very, very slow, much slower than would ever viably hit Cinder

Doomguy can use Chrono Strike to slow time and leave Cinder open to a blast from the BFG.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The hook comes out almost instantly and Doomguy could try to hook her as soon as she begins to fly away to avoid the range problem.

Cinder is over 10x physically stronger than him and he doesnt really have a way to anchor himself, all hooking would do is get him dragged into the air until she just breaks the chain.

Doomguy can use Chrono Strike to slow time and leave Cinder open to a blast from the BFG.

Chrono Strike would work but it has a pretty sizable cooldown, and the BFG isnt a guaranteed oneshot if Cinder's aura is still up

 

[koopa3144]

Cinder is over 10x physically stronger than him and he doesnt really have a way to anchor himself, all hooking would do is get him dragged into the air until she just breaks the chain.

The Meat Hook uses what ever it hooks into as an anchor and pulls the user towards it, and even without the hook, Vega can create a portal for Doomguy that goes to where ever Cinder fly's off too.

Chrono Strike would work but it has a pretty sizable cooldown, and the BFG isnt a guaranteed oneshot if Cinder's aura is still up

It may not but it does leave Cinder open for a follow up like another BFG shot or a melee attack (Such as a Blood Punch or alternatively a slash from ether his Chainsaw or the Crucible) while she's paralyzed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Meat Hook uses what ever it hooks into as an anchor and pulls the user towards it, and even without the hook, Vega can create a portal for Doomguy that goes to where ever Cinder fly's off too.

So it needs to physically impale whatever it's being shot at in order to hook into it?

It may not but it does leave Cinder open for a follow up like another BFG shot or a melee attack (Such as a Blood Punch or alternatively a slash from ether his Chainsaw or the Crucible) while she's paralyzed.

I mean, that would hurt but it wouldnt be lethal to Cinder thanks to her aura, and the time slow itself only lasts for a split second befor eit goes on cooldown, it's not something he can spam

 

[koopa3144]

So it needs to physically impale whatever it's being shot at in order to hook into it?

The Meat Hook doesn't need to impale a target to hook into it iirc.

I mean, that would hurt but it wouldnt be lethal to Cinder thanks to her aura, and the time slow itself only lasts for a split second befor eit goes on cooldown, it's not something he can spam

iirc Chrono Strike lasts a few seconds in game and it recharges around the same rate it drains, so while he cant spam it he should be able to use it fairly often.

 

[CIC_SHARK]

Just to be clear, is chrono strike being treated as if Doomguy slows time while being unaffected himself? If so then I don't think that's the case since in the gameplay doomguy is slowed down too and the purpose of the rune is primarily to help with aiming precise attacks (such as at enemy weak points).

If it isn't being treated this way and I just misunderstood then ignore this.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah i feel like this is more along the lines of an enhanced senses where Doom just sees things moving slower

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Meat Hook doesn't need to impale a target to hook into it iirc.

Basically, does it work on forcefields? If not it wont really help

iirc Chrono Strike lasts a few seconds in game and it recharges around the same rate it drains, so while he cant spam it he should be able to use it fairly often.

A few seconds is a long time for a fight between FTL characters

 

[koopa3144]

Just to be clear, is chrono strike being treated as if Doomguy slows time while being unaffected himself? If so then I don't think that's the case since in the gameplay doomguy is slowed down too and the purpose of the rune is primarily to help with aiming precise attacks (such as at enemy weak points).

I'm pretty sure we consider it time slow cause it's called a time slow in game iirc but yeah it does kind of seem like self-perception manip (Like what mario characters have with zone speed)

Basically, does it work on forcefields? If not it wont really help

I'm not 100% sure. I believe it was able to hook into Khan Maykr forcefield but I'm gonna have to rewatch her fight to find out.

A few seconds is a long time for a fight between FTL characters

The seconds are just an in game time and their might not even be a recharge time in cannon.

 

[koopa3144]

Bump

 

[koopa3144]

Bump x2

 

[Da3ggman]

I think I'm changing my vote back to the Doomslayer

 

[koopa3144]

I think I'm changing my vote back to the Doomslayer

Counted!