A Fall into DOOM (Cinder Fall vs Doomguy) (1-2-0)

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm pretty sure we consider it time slow cause it's called a time slow in game iirc but yeah it does kind of seem like self-perception manip (Like what mario characters have with zone speed)

Should probably be revised, iirc Red Dead has the same kind of ability and its treated as perception manip

I'm not 100% sure. I believe it was able to hook into Khan Maykr forcefield but I'm gonna have to rewatch her fight to find out.

I mean either way it wouldnt prevent her from flying away

The seconds are just an in game time and their might not even be a recharge time in cannon.

Has he ever used i outside of gameplay? If not then we kinda have to go by how its portrayed in-game.

And even then, it doesnt help him too much as Cinder still has two layers of barriers to get through before he can even start hurting her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But yeah, if theres nothing else to really argue, Cinder takes this with high difficulty, Slayer has a bigger arsenal and some neat tricks but a lot of his stuff is kinda nulled by cinder's aura and barriers, and coupled with her higher CQC skill, experience dodging projectiles, and willingness to just fly away and nuke the battlefield with her own ranged attacks, Slayer just eventually dies.

 

[koopa3144]

Sorry of the late response.

But yeah, if theres nothing else to really argue, Cinder takes this with high difficulty, Slayer has a bigger arsenal and some neat tricks but a lot of his stuff is kinda nulled by cinder's aura and barriers, and coupled with her higher CQC skill, experience dodging projectiles, and willingness to just fly away and nuke the battlefield with her own ranged attacks, Slayer just eventually dies.

Counted, although I'll note that Doomguy also has armor that he can replenish with his reality warping.

 

[koopa3144]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

Doomguy FRA

 

[koopa3144]

Doomguy FRA

Counted!

 

[ShionAH]

Doomguy stomps now

 

[Firestorm808]

I would lean toward Doom Slayer due to AP edge and significantly more combat experience.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I would lean toward Doom Slayer due to AP edge and significantly more combat experience.

Cinder actually has the AP advatage here, and experience doesnt really mean much when his experience is 99% against fodder that he just oneshots, while Cinder is borderline stoping him in the skill department

Like, it was literally agreed that Yang beats doomguy, and Cinder is >>>>>>>>>> Yang in every aspect

 

[WeeklyBattles]

• Fight takes place in an abandoned city
• Eternal Doomguy and Post-Beacon Cinder are being used
• stating distance is 20 meters
• Speed is equalized
• SBA for anything else

Cinder: 1
2.688133365200764846 Megatons of TNT
Doomguy: 2
2.84712099125 Megatons of TNT
Incon: 0

You gonna count all the votes for Cinder or...?

 

[ShionAH]

You gonna count all the votes for Cinder or...?

Doomguy got buff so rn he stomps. Cinder cannot do shit to Fate hax

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Doomguy got buff so rn he stomps. Cinder cannot do shit to Fate hax

How does it work?

 

[Firestorm808]

Cinder actually has the AP advatage here

Which calc are you referencing?

The OP is describing 2.6 vs 2.8.

 

[ShionAH]

How does it work?

Stops Doomguy from permanent incap/death. Possibly also makes him stronger but that is not accepted on the profile rn

 

[Firestorm808]

experience doesnt really mean much when his experience is 99% against fodder that he just oneshots, while Cinder is borderline stoping him in the skill department

What combat skill characteristics are you using to judge your comparison?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Which calc are you referencing?

The OP is describing 2.6 vs 2.8.

Cinder massively upscaling from the 2.6 Megaton feat. The 2.6 Megaton feat was done by Oscar's shield, which is weaker than the one Ozpin used which Cinder broke through (Ozpin passed the ability to make that shield onto Oscar when he merged with him, but his power gets weaker every time he merges with a new person) on top of Cinder having broken through that shield when she had just gotten the Maiden powers, after which she went through a several month long training arc with Salem to bring out the full power of her Maiden magic (people in RWBY can jump multiple tiers over the course of a training session of that length).

TL;DR: Oscar's shield (2.6 Megatons) < Ozpin's shield < Maiden Cinder <<< Post training Maiden cinder

Post training Cinder is being used here

 

[ShionAH]

Doomguy wins with hax alone tbh. Doom FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What combat skill characteristics are you using to judge your comparison?

Bleh, im gonna have to repost the skill list again huh. I really need to put that blog together...

Im just gonna leave this here, this was sufficient to argue that Yang, who is vastly inferior to Cinder, is solidly more skilled than the Slayer

https://vsbattles.com/threads/always-angry-punch-guy-vs-sometimes-angry-punch-girl.150607/#post-5554030

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Doomguy wins with hax alone tbh. Doom FRA

Not sure why youe FRAing a stomp

 

[koopa3144]

You gonna count all the votes for Cinder or...?

I'm pretty sure there is only one vote for Cinder rn

Stops Doomguy from permanent incap/death. Possibly also makes him stronger but that is not accepted on the profile rn

Eh, I'm pretty sure Davoth blessing only assured that Doomguy would cause the fall of the makers and seeing that the Makers have already fallen by the time Doom Eternal he shouldn't be protected by the blessing anymore.

 

[ShionAH]

Not sure why youe FRAing a stomp

Why is it a stomp?

 

[ShionAH]

Eh, I'm pretty sure Davoth blessing only assured that Doomguy would cause the fall of the makers and seeing that the Makers have already fallen by the time Doom Eternal he shouldn't be protected by the blessing anymore.

Not sure tbh. The fact that WoG states Doomguy also has his own fate hax supports it. I will make a CRT on that when Mr. @Firestorm808 concludes the 6D CRT lol

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why is it a stomp?

You literally argued that its a stomp because of Slayer's fatehax-based immortality

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Simply put if Slayer's fatehax is legit then he stomps, but if its not then Cinder takes this mid-difficulty for the reasons above

 

[ShionAH]

You literally argued that its a stomp because of Slayer's fatehax-based immortality

Idk man I have to sleep-
This is a stomp so close it

 

[Firestorm808]

TL;DR: Oscar's shield (2.6 Megatons) < Ozpin's shield < Maiden Cinder <<< Post training Maiden cinder

Post training Cinder is being used here

The same can be said about the Slayer's scaling.

2.8 = Classic Icon < Khan Maykr < Eternal Icon < Base Eternal Slayer < Eternal Slayer With Amps