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The Low 1-C evidence seems solid imo, at least enough for a “possibly”
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Skill issueYeah no. Nothing in this entire thing indicates Arceus is superior to space and time. All you've done is prove that Arceus' realm is outside of the dimension of space and time and the real world, as well as being inaccessible to Hoopa. None of that necessitates Arceus being Low 1-C.
In fact, the model showing the dimensions of the Pokémon World depicts the realm of Arceus as simply another world on the same level as all of the others. I find it really hard to believe that this realm is supposed infinitely superior to the others.
In fact, we see Arceus (not the Original Spirit, but Arceus itself) not only existing in its realm, but also causing ripples in its structure and bending it to reach the Pokémon world. Arceus should absolutely scale to its realm. And considering how Arceus fights with Dialga and Palkia, that would make Dialga and Palkia Low 1-C. Aka, it would literally make Space and Time transcend themselves. Which is absolute nonsense.
So no. Low 1-C Arceus is bad. Y'all out of your minds. Stop.
Arceus was stomping the CT. all they did was inconvience Arceus with their hax, and by inconvience I mean they did their hax then Arceus decided to ignore it and break through without effort.In fact, we see Arceus (not the Original Spirit, but Arceus itself) not only existing in its realm, but also causing ripples in its structure and bending it to reach the Pokémon world. Arceus should absolutely scale to its realm. And considering how Arceus fights with Dialga and Palkia, that would make Dialga and Palkia Low 1-C. Aka, it would literally make Space and Time transcend themselves. Which is absolute nonsense.
So no. Low 1-C Arceus is bad. Y'all out of your minds. Stop.
And here caps starts to come.Yeah no. Nothing in this entire thing indicates Arceus is superior to space and time. All you've done is prove that Arceus' realm is outside of the dimension of space and time and the real world, as well as being inaccessible to Hoopa. None of that necessitates Arceus being Low 1-C.
In fact, the model showing the dimensions of the Pokémon World depicts the realm of Arceus as simply another world on the same level as all of the others. I find it really hard to believe that this realm is supposed infinitely superior to the others.
In fact, we see Arceus (not the Original Spirit, but Arceus itself) not only existing in its realm, but also causing ripples in its structure and bending it to reach the Pokémon world. Arceus should absolutely scale to its realm. And considering how Arceus fights with Dialga and Palkia, that would make Dialga and Palkia Low 1-C. Aka, it would literally make Space and Time transcend themselves. Which is absolute nonsense.
So no. Low 1-C Arceus is bad. Y'all out of your minds. Stop.
To be honest I don't mind a "possibly" either.Possibly/Likely would be fine imo. Just like the countless universes making it likely, the evidence just isn't there yet. Solid extrapolation, but just that
He's not ready for low 1C yet . Why the rush
The site is against you fella."Beyond" doesn't stand for transcendence in the slightest. Get your VS-rotted brain out of here for one second. And your transcendence statement is in an entirely different, unrelated context. You have no reasons to apply it to space-time and get Low 1-C out of it.
I don't care what Sonic does. If the reasoning for it is shit, that's not my problem. The reasoning here is shit, which is what we're talking about. Stop your what-about-ism.
With Arceus not caring at all of what they do. This happens all the time in Pokémon where supposedly infinitely above Legends don't one shot lower tiers. You're ignoring the part of Arceus creating from 0 a CT member with 0 effort because you just don't like Arceus being that strong apparently.Arceus not immediately stomping the CT, with any fight happening at all, is proof enough that Arceus is not infinitely superior to the CT. Whether or not he's weakened doesn't matter, the Plates don't give infinite boosts in power in any media where their abilities are explained. Hell, in the same fight, Arceus was temporarily stopped by Palkia's spatial powers (or Dialga's temporal powers, I don't remember). This is absolutely not something a Low 1-C being should have to deal with, if this Low 1-C is this tier via transcending space-time.
Because this whole comment isn't.Arceus itself (and not the Original Spirit) being Low 1-C absolutely does not work. The entire argument here is based on very weak proofs from unrelated sources being twisted and forced into this headcanon, while any and all actual interactions we see on-screen working completely against it.
except he was stomping them completely. Saying it was even a fight is misrepresenting what happened. Also Palkias spatial powers were instantly negged by it.Arceus not immediately stomping the CT, with any fight happening at all, is proof enough that Arceus is not infinitely superior to the CT. Whether or not he's weakened doesn't matter, the Plates don't give infinite boosts in power in any media where their abilities are explained. Hell, in the same fight, Arceus was temporarily stopped by Palkia's spatial powers (or Dialga's temporal powers, I don't remember). This is absolutely not something a Low 1-C being should have to deal with, if this Low 1-C is this tier via transcending space-time.
Okay first of all, cut the attitude out. Your being unnecessarily rude."Beyond" doesn't stand for transcendence in the slightest. Get your VS-rotted brain out of here for one second.
A being who has the entire verse as a small facet of its true existence is called the god who transcends everything. The context on transcendence here is very fairly clear, and your lack of telling us what this context could otherwise mean just tells us that even more.And your transcendence statement is in an entirely different, unrelated context. You have no reasons to apply it to space-time and get Low 1-C out of it.
Nice try, but it’s not whataboutism when it’s literally the same exact case, and the point in mentioning Sonic isn’t to use whataboutism, but to show the blatant double standard when our site accepts this practice as acceptable means to get Low 1-C. Whether you like it or not, it’s enough to get Low 1-C here.I don't care what Sonic does. If the reasoning for it is shit, that's not my problem. The reasoning here is shit, which is what we're talking about. Stop your what-about-ism.
There’s such a word called PIS, which it very much is when Arceus shakes their powers off with literally no effort.Arceus not immediately stomping the CT, with any fight happening at all, is proof enough that Arceus is not infinitely superior to the CT. Whether or not he's weakened doesn't matter, the Plates don't give infinite boosts in power in any media where their abilities are explained. Hell, in the same fight, Arceus was temporarily stopped by Palkia's spatial powers (or Dialga's temporal powers, I don't remember).
See above.This is absolutely not something a Low 1-C being should have to deal with, if this Low 1-C is this tier via transcending space-time.
Sorry but canon works are not “unrelated”Arceus itself (and not the Original Spirit) being Low 1-C absolutely does not work. The entire argument here is based on very weak proofs from unrelated sources being twisted and forced into this headcanon, while any and all actual interactions we see on-screen working completely against it.
What questions? I didn’t see any questions from you earlier and if you posted some then my bad.Also yall can highkey put me down as neutral until i get my questions answered
dis @ProfessorKukui4LifeCould someone retell me the reasoning behind why the transcendence is superlative enough to warrant a tier change?
What-about-ism is when precedentStop your what-about-ism.
Could someone retell me the reasoning behind why the transcendence is good enough to warrant a tier change?
Oh okay so basically he’s asking about why the transcendence is superior enough for an upgrade?Basically
This^The transcendence is good enough because
So the beyond space and time is Low 1-C here as Arceus realm is superior in every single aspect to 4D space time and axis.
- Palkia is space itself. And space in Pokémon verse extends to also parallel universes and directions (aka axis). So Palkia is the 4D spatial section of the verse.
- Arceus has Palkia in its entirety as a mere fraction of its being. Not just Palkia, but all the CT, meaning the 4D concepts themselves of space-time are nothing but a small piece of Arceus itself.
- Arceus is the god who transcends everything, and this is further shown from Hoopa not being able to access Arceus' realm while it could with CT.
This "mere fraction" is literally Arceus perceiving the Creation Trio into existence. The embodiments of space, time and their opposite are nothing but perceptions to Arceus. And yes, in both cases that this is stated, it's referring explicitly to true form Arceus.Arceus has Palkia in its entirety as a mere fraction of its being. Not just Palkia, but all the CT, meaning the 4D concepts themselves of space-time are nothing but a small piece of Arceus itself.
Does this contradict me? Because in the scan is quite said they're just aspects.This "mere fraction" is literally Arceus perceiving the Creation Trio into existence. The embodiments of space, time and their opposite are nothing but perceptions to Arceus. And yes, in both cases that this is stated, it's referring explicitly to true form Arceus.
Supports you. I was clarifying the degree of this "mere fraction".Does this contradict me? Because in the scan is quite said they're just aspects.
Actually I'd think them being just perceptions help the case being made. Think of it like it sees them as just dreams or something fiction, common terminology used for Transcendence.Does this contradict me? Because in the scan is quite said they're just aspects.