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Only thing I can remember is Cogita saying that space time exist because we perceive it, so Red Chain is needed to fix the red sky
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A Certain Llama Wants In On The Low 1-C club; Pokemon Low 1-C Upgrade for True Form Arceus
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CosmicWreck
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I mean, not like I disagree with the thread but perceiving something has no bearing on reality>fiction cosmology.
Creating from a thought is common in fiction and means nothing either.
Creating from a thought is common in fiction and means nothing either.
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Sniper670
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Created 2A multiverse and everything within by perceiving it into existence. He could as well wipe it out with a mere thought all the same
That's should be R>F and low1C If that was true. Discount Amaranth
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Guys let’s try and stay on track with the important stuff at hand please.
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Creating with a thought was never an argument here.
It was more Arceus perceiving existence thus it exists. It can help to our case.
It was more Arceus perceiving existence thus it exists. It can help to our case.
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From the Tiering System page description of Low 1-C
Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)
Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)
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1) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ#Q:_What_tier_is_transcending_space_and_time.3F
2) Laughs in Archie Verse who got upgraded for same reason. Explicit statements of Infinite transcendence aren't needed.
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Strongly agreed. Posting mocking memes counts as mild trolling and derailment.
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Because it isn't needed because of the Tierinf System QnA ya'll need to change in order to reject this
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Infinite superiority isn’t needed though. Saikous point completely ignores the note on our FAQs section on transcendence.
And his points are about Arceus Avatar, which isn’t the topic of the discussion.
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Basically these, to respond to this.
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But the Tiering System page disagrees with the Tiering System FAQ which has more priority.
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Cool, now go downgrade Archie verse or shut. We had a whole discussion on this, so Arceus not getting this would set an horrible precedent, double standard, and especially, bias against Pokémon.
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It doesn’t have more priority when the practice of accepting verses as Low 1-C without needing this requirement has, and does, happen. The tiering system page is moot if we do otherwise.
Archie Sonic, again, proves this when that upgrade spanned for several pages about this very thing and it was decided he and the chaos forces upgrade to Low 1-C was acceptable without needing to prove infinite transcendence, and it got accepted. You can’t turn around and change your mind about that for another verse without nulling that upgrade and the standards.
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Cool it, and if this upgrade goes against the tiering system then knowledagble staff will say so. We don't need the same point being brought up again and again.
Nor do we have the keep mentioning other verses and downgrading them, that can be handled in another thread.
These topics are much more open-ended then that and theirs a lot of subtle details that are missed. It can't just be dumbed down to this verse has this, or this page says that. Human input is needed as well to evaluation the context of the specific situation.
Nor do we have the keep mentioning other verses and downgrading them, that can be handled in another thread.
These topics are much more open-ended then that and theirs a lot of subtle details that are missed. It can't just be dumbed down to this verse has this, or this page says that. Human input is needed as well to evaluation the context of the specific situation.
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Y'know, things like this are part of why Kieran left the wiki, double standards. How many other pages and verses are unreliable on this wiki because of double standards? Think about that.
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I alone don't have to fix the site's mistakes if someone else messed up we will fix it later besides I don't even know which has priority as one is the system and the other explains the system if they contradict each other something needs to change.
Did anyone point that out and I wasn't involved the fact you are accusing me of trying to downplay pokemon and ignore sonic I like pokemon and don't care about the hedgehog I just decided to fact check something I am sorry that I brought up an error in the very system that leads to a problem.
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The FAQ literally exists to explain it, and why you're being too nitpicking.
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The Tiering System FAQ is meant to give cases that do and do not qualify for certain tiers.
Since this is stated to quallify openly for it on the FAQ, and we have another example of the same thing being accepted. It should be accepted
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yes it was brought up. It spanned for several pages because of the transcendence point, and it was decided to not be required in the end.
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I'm going to stop this here, this is getting close to derailing and is something that should be left for staff to deal with and not to be argued back and forth between yourselves with no conclusions in sight.
You've made your opinions known, now leave it to others to judge the merits of them by themselves.
You've made your opinions known, now leave it to others to judge the merits of them by themselves.
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I don't care if Arceus is low 1-C or 2-A don't accuse me of trying to spread misinformation for questioning the logic of something either way something has to change Tiering System or Tiering System FAQ I don't care which.
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Yeah honestly your not wrong. I don’t want this thread getting cluttered either with this, so I’ll stop. My apologies.
But the infinite transcendence requirement should also stop coming up here too until that gets settled elsewhere or else this contention will continue to come up in the thread.
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1. I'll be honest, archie and the FAQ doesn't exactly contradict the tiering page, i feel like the page's mentioning infinities without mentioning "utter inaccessibility" or "transcendence with qualitative superiority" etc. Is the issue, lacking diversity for reaching the tier in the most important page hurts it, we can deal with that later though
2. So we are gonna use the whole perceiving stuff as well? I feel like those are the most straight foward evidence and might singlehandely make this jump from possibly to solid
3. To make something clear that i haven't seen it mentioned, this may not scream "infinitely superior", but it is not required for verses to make it explicit that the gap is that, it simple needs a degree of superiority that easily implies it.
Take reality-fiction for instance, you can probably count on your hands the amount of verses that literally say "being fictional makes you infinitely weaker", because the very logic behind fiction vs reality implies said gap, so if we can build the same logic with other kinds of transcendence, it can lead to the same gap and thus low 1-C
2. So we are gonna use the whole perceiving stuff as well? I feel like those are the most straight foward evidence and might singlehandely make this jump from possibly to solid
3. To make something clear that i haven't seen it mentioned, this may not scream "infinitely superior", but it is not required for verses to make it explicit that the gap is that, it simple needs a degree of superiority that easily implies it.
Take reality-fiction for instance, you can probably count on your hands the amount of verses that literally say "being fictional makes you infinitely weaker", because the very logic behind fiction vs reality implies said gap, so if we can build the same logic with other kinds of transcendence, it can lead to the same gap and thus low 1-C
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Crossing what you write out does not change the fact you are adding nothing to a thread and are clogging it up.
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I still don't see why perceiving something, that is becoming aware of something's existence has to do with R>F differences. Especially since the awareness of these things have to do with the use of ones senses.
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I am sorry I brought it up here I only found out because I wanted to make sure I wasn't mixing up dimensional tiering with the Tiering System Explanation Page (and I was before I read it) so I brought it up here because this thread is why I looked into it.
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Because it's just perceiving it to make it exists. You know, X exists just because you think about it.
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On it's own, not much. But in certain context it can be used to imply the same thing that dreaming things into existence and similar things does, that being a superiority similar to reality-fiction Transcendence.
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Isn't that just subjective reality?
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