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8-B Tournament Round 1, Match 8 Johnny Test VS Kazane Aoba Grace

ok, now you are just in dennile, you are literaly saing "his feats don't mean **** so don't count" even them being legitm resons, and It's very unlikle to him don't use his gedgets in this fight, the only thing she would be able to do to deaft jhony is incapacitation or nockout tanks to here lower ap and jhonny regen and toon force, she almst wouldn't be able to touch jhonny if he start to fly and range spam
Johnny does not have his equipment in this fight. At least, he shouldn't. It will literally make this a massive stomp for Johnny. He's heavily reliant on his equipment in base form, so he would use it fairly quickly. Kazane has no resistances to any of Johnny's hax with equipment, let alone his base.

The OP should clarify that Johnny's equipment should be restricted.
 
Johnny's skilled in Kung Fu and Karate, and he has Ninja DNA. Johnny is arguably just as skilled as Kazane. Kazane is just the more competent fighter.
Again it's one thing to know martial arts and another thing to win martial arts tournaments. And "Ninja DNA" means literally nothing without context
Johnny being a Toon Force character gives him more unpredictability.
Because he does stupid shit
He has hax that are far more potent than Kazane's.
And I'm arguing he won't use it.
Kazane's fighting style will catch Johnny off guard, but the same can be said for Kazane. Johnny's more likely to adapt to Kazane's fighting style quicker.
Because?
ok, now you are just in dennile, you are literaly saing "his feats don't mean **** so don't count" even them being legitm resons, and It's very unlikle to him don't use his gedgets in this fight, the only thing she would be able to do to deaft jhony is incapacitation or nockout tanks to here lower ap and jhonny regen and toon force,
Does he even have those here? And I'm not saying having a black belt counts for nothing, it just doesn't put him anywhere near the level of his opponent by itself.
she almst wouldn't be able to touch jhonny if he start to fly and range spam
And does he ever do that?
It's been stated and shown many times throughout the series that when Johnny actually uses his brain, he can be very clever and creative.
I don't doubt that but there's still a difference between powers just used in gags and ones used in fights, if he was "clever and creative" about things he'd use Causality Manip/Intangibility in literally every single fight he's in, yet from what I understand he never does it.
 
Johnny does not have his equipment in this fight. At least, he shouldn't. It will literally make this a massive stomp for Johnny. He's heavily reliant on his equipment in base form, so he would use it fairly quickly. Kazane has no resistances to any of Johnny's hax with equipment, let alone his base.

The OP should clarify that Johnny's equipment should be restricted.
-_- WHY YOU DIDN'T SAY IT EARLYER?!?!?!
 
Again it's one thing to know martial arts and another thing to win martial arts tournaments. And "Ninja DNA" means literally nothing without context

Because he does stupid shit

And I'm arguing he won't use it.

Because?

Does he even have those here? And I'm not saying having a black belt counts for nothing, it just doesn't put him anywhere near the level of his opponent by itself.

And does he ever do that?

I don't doubt that but there's still a difference between powers just used in gags and ones used in fights, if he was "clever and creative" about things he'd use Causality Manip/Intangibility in literally every single fight he's in, yet from what I understand he never does it.
OK, Is a girl that only atacks with her butt and mommy milkers(i'm not saing this isn't a marcial art, i'm just saing that is a limited one) vs a kid that know 2 diferent marcial arts, has experience fighting agains a vastly major types of oponents, can regenerate, and toon force to help limited the damage delt by blows, I still think jhonny should win by versatylit, ap and powers like regen and toon force
 
OK, Is a girl that only atacks with her butt and mommy milkers(i'm not saing this isn't a marcial art, i'm just saing that is a limited one) vs a kid that know 2 diferent marcial arts, has experience fighting agains a vastly major types of oponents, can regenerate, and toon force to help limited the damage delt by blows, I still think jhonny should win by versatylit, ap and powers like regen and toon force
Ok but like her feats with the martial arts are still more impressive than his. Under a skill standpoint, he's still not even that close. As for toon force limiting the damage he takes, is that actually ever shown to happen? Cause if it was he wouldn't have that regen I reckon. Speaking of regen, it's inconsistent at best considering the profile mentions him wearing a cast once. A fracture is by definition the kinda thing High-Low would take care of very easily

Dura is the same as AP I assume
 
Dura is the same as AP I assume
so jhonny also has a big dura advantage

Ok but like her feats with the martial arts are still more impressive than his. Under a skill standpoint, he's still not even that close. As for toon force limiting the damage he takes, is that actually ever shown to happen? Cause if it was he wouldn't have that regen I reckon. Speaking of regen, it's inconsistent at best considering the profile mentions him wearing a cast once. A fracture is by definition the kinda thing High-Low would take care of very easily
beacuse she fight in tunaments that had people using that same type of martial art and only needed to make the oponent touch the floor or fall to win? against jhonny taht fough people tring to kill him and also kow numbers of other and diverse martial arts in fights to death or K.O? you really think taht the butt vs butt is more skill than Jhonny?
 
Again it's one thing to know martial arts and another thing to win martial arts tournaments. And "Ninja DNA" means literally nothing without context

Because he does stupid shit

And I'm arguing he won't use it.

Because?

Does he even have those here? And I'm not saying having a black belt counts for nothing, it just doesn't put him anywhere near the level of his opponent by itself.

And does he ever do that?

I don't doubt that but there's still a difference between powers just used in gags and ones used in fights, if he was "clever and creative" about things he'd use Causality Manip/Intangibility in literally every single fight he's in, yet from what I understand he never does it.
1. Kazane will have a harder time adapting to Johnny's abilities because of how unpredictable he is with his Toon Force and other hax. Kazane usually uses her butt and hips to attack. It's a one trick pony vs a jack of many trades. Who do you think is going to adapt quicker to their fighting styles? Exactly.

2. I'm not exactly sure how we would use Ninja DNA in battle. It'd be kind of weird to apply real life Ninja abilities to a fictional. I'm not sure how we would approach. I might need to ask someone in the Q&A thread.

3. Johnny can avoid most of Kazane's attacks with Acrobatics alone. Stealth Mastery and Teleportation just makes it even harder for Kazane to deal a good hit. Plus, Johnny has a 3.5x AP gap. Kazane's attacks aren't even going to do much in the first place. Regen + Immortality just makes it worse.

4. It's a girl who uses butt, hip, and breast attacks vs a kid who uses 2 different types of Martial Arts, has Ninja DNA, Toon Force, upon many other hax. If we were to look at this matchup in paper with the description I just used out of context, we would assume the kid would win. Once again, one trick pony vs jack of many trades.

5. I'll say that Kazane is the more competent fighter, but that's really the best I can say.

6. Johnny has come up with plans that end up outsmarting geniuses. Heck, Johnny fights, defeats, and occasionally outsmarts geniuses on a regular basis. Fighting someone smarter than him is nothing new for Johnny at all. Johnny has the common sense to realize that he should probably use his other hax to get the upper hand in the fight.

This is all I can think of right now.
 
I don't doubt that but there's still a difference between powers just used in gags and ones used in fights, if he was "clever and creative" about things he'd use Causality Manip/Intangibility in literally every single fight he's in, yet from what I understand he never does it.
The point was that when Johnny uses his brain, he can be very clever and creative. Johnny has the common sense to know that he should use his other hax in a fight. Johnny defeats his enemies or solves problems using his brain more often than not.
 
Not to mention that Kazane's trump card is a literal homing attack that will avoid obstacles with instinctive reactions and aim for your chin, knocking you out.
1. Since this attack goes for the chin, Johnny can use Body Control to avoid it.

2. If this fight were to last this long to the point where trump cards come out, then Johnny's hax will eclipse the homing attack. Heck, he could even use it a bit earlier.
 
I think you're downplaying Keijo a bit. As a concept, yeah it is dumb. But being a lot more restrictive with what Kazane is allowed to do actually makes her way more suited for fighting against traditional martial arts since, like I said before, Keijo players are all top of the line martial artists that went for a career switch. Which means she will be expecting Johnny's moves, while the same can't be said for Johnny when Kazane is fighting in an unorthodox style that biologically can't be replicated by him.

This is not including Kazane's insane level of enhanced senses that allows her to tell exactly where a ball is going to land simply by feeling the wind on her skin.
 
I think you're downplaying Keijo a bit. As a concept, yeah it is dumb. But being a lot more restrictive with what Kazane is allowed to do actually makes her way more suited for fighting against traditional martial arts since, like I said before, Keijo players are all top of the line martial artists that went for a career switch. Which means she will be expecting Johnny's moves, while the same can't be said for Johnny when Kazane is fighting in an unorthodox style that biologically can't be replicated by him.

This is not including Kazane's insane level of enhanced senses that allows her to tell exactly where a ball is going to land simply by feeling the wind on her skin.
Ok, the unorthodox fighting style is a good point, but I'm not selled by the others, gere senses can be good and ALL bit this isn't much compared to jhonny's abillyts, she wouldn't bem able to make a good finishing blow, or
 
I think you're downplaying Keijo a bit. As a concept, yeah it is dumb. But being a lot more restrictive with what Kazane is allowed to do actually makes her way more suited for fighting against traditional martial arts since, like I said before, Keijo players are all top of the line martial artists that went for a career switch. Which means she will be expecting Johnny's moves, while the same can't be said for Johnny when Kazane is fighting in an unorthodox style that biologically can't be replicated by him.

This is not including Kazane's insane level of enhanced senses that allows her to tell exactly where a ball is going to land simply by feeling the wind on her skin.
Um, Toon Force and other hax makes Johnny far more unpredictable. Johnny has fought Dukey a few times before, and Dukey was programmed with Kung Fu abilities. So Johnny has experience fighting Martial Artists as well. Kazane has never dealt with someone like Johnny. You can say the same for Johnny to an extent. If you want to play the enhanced senses game, Johnny was able to accurately pop 2 water balloons while blind. Johnny has very keen vision. Keen sense of vision, Stealth Mastery, Acrobatics, and Teleportation makes Johnny very hard to catch. It doesn't help that Johnny has a 3.5x AP advantage, Regen, and Immortality. So even if Kazane was able to land a hit on Johnny, it wouldn't even do much to begin with.

Both of their fighting styles are unorthodox, I just think Toon Force is far more unpredictable than Butt, Hip, and Breast attacks.
 
beacuse she fight in tunaments that had people using that same type of martial art and only needed to make the oponent touch the floor or fall to win? against jhonny taht fough people tring to kill him and also kow numbers of other and diverse martial arts in fights to death or K.O? you really think taht the butt vs butt is more skill than Jhonny?
Considering what she can do with that martial art, yea.
The point was that when Johnny uses his brain, he can be very clever and creative. Johnny has the common sense to know that he should use his other hax in a fight. Johnny defeats his enemies or solves problems using his brain more often than not.
Nah, I don't believe that. Has he ever used any of those abilities in a fight? Because I assume this guy doesn't stomp every single enemy flawlessly. And I assume he gets close to losing sometimes. Now, when he's losing, does he ever bust out the ******* Causality Manip? I assume not! I assume he's never done this and you're turning a one-time gag into something that the character is actually willing to do. And if he did have the common sense to use these abilities, he'd literally spam them, because intangibility + offensive hax is basically an instant win against anyone who can't counter that.
Sir_Ovens and Armorchompy: Is both of your votes for Kazane?
I'm just contesting your portrayal of Johnny at the moment, not necessarily sure Kazane wins
 
Nah, I don't believe that. Has he ever used any of those abilities in a fight? Because I assume this guy doesn't stomp every single enemy flawlessly. And I assume he gets close to losing sometimes. Now, when he's losing, does he ever bust out the ******* Causality Manip? I assume not! I assume he's never done this and you're turning a one-time gag into something that the character is actually willing to do. And if he did have the common sense to use these abilities, he'd literally spam them, because intangibility + offensive hax is basically an instant win against anyone who can't counter that.
By this logic, most of SpongeBob's hax shouldn't be used as win cons. This would also apply to many Toon Force characters. SBA rules also apply, too. In character, but willing to kill. Any of the characters' hax are perfectly fine to use, it's just that the hax they don't use in character or in combat will be used later on in the fight. So believe it or not, this fight lasting longer will benefit Johnny because of far more potent hax, plus way better stamina.

Are we also forgetting the fact that Johnny has a 3.5x AP gap? Plus Regen and Type 3 Immortality? Kazane's attacks aren't going to do much in the first place. Johnny's keen sense of vision, Stealth Mastery, Acrobatics, and Teleportation make him hard to hit as well. Kazane is screwed.
 
By this logic, most of SpongeBob's hax shouldn't be used as win cons. This would also apply to many Toon Force characters.
I am in complete agreement here.
SBA rules also apply, too. In character, but willing to kill.
The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual.
Any of the characters' hax are perfectly fine to use, it's just that the hax they don't use in character or in combat will be used later on in the fight. So believe it or not, this fight lasting longer will benefit Johnny because of far more potent hax, plus way better stamina.
Again does Johnny Test ever lose a fight in his series? Or gets close to losing at least. Cause if he does, and he never attempts to use any of that hax when he does, that's pretty strong argument that he wouldn't here.
Plus Regen and Type 3 Immortality?
Regen is inconsistent at best considering he's been seen with a cast as the profile states. A fracture is exactly the kind of thing that High-Low can take care of.
Are we also forgetting the fact that Johnny has a 3.5x AP gap?
Kazane's attacks aren't going to do much in the first place. Johnny's keen sense of vision, Stealth Mastery, Acrobatics, and Teleportation make him hard to hit as well. Kazane is screwed.
Teleportation falls under the "Never used in combat" umbrella. Although, again, I'm not saying Johnny loses or wins, I'm just correcting what I think is a mistake.
 
By this logic, most of SpongeBob's hax shouldn't be used as win cons. This would also apply to many Toon Force characters. SBA rules also apply, too. In character, but willing to kill. Any of the characters' hax are perfectly fine to use, it's just that the hax they don't use in character or in combat will be used later on in the fight. So believe it or not, this fight lasting longer will benefit Johnny because of far more potent hax, plus way better stamina.

Are we also forgetting the fact that Johnny has a 3.5x AP gap? Plus Regen and Type 3 Immortality? Kazane's attacks aren't going to do much in the first place. Johnny's keen sense of vision, Stealth Mastery, Acrobatics, and Teleportation make him hard to hit as well. Kazane is screwed.
If Gumball's long list of losses is anything to go by, yeah, we don't cosider any brief showings of toon force strictly in-character.

Also Kazane might have her back against a wall but I still think her instinctive reactions and unorthodox fighting style should net her a win more times than not.
 
The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual.

Again does Johnny Test ever lose a fight in his series? Or gets close to losing at least. Cause if he does, and he never attempts to use any of that hax when he does, that's pretty strong argument that he wouldn't here.

Regen is inconsistent at best considering he's been seen with a cast as the profile states. A fracture is exactly the kind of thing that High-Low can take care of.


Teleportation falls under the "Never used in combat" umbrella. Although, again, I'm not saying Johnny loses or wins, I'm just correcting what I think is a mistake.
1. Okay. The hax that aren't used consistently in combat can still be used, though it will likely be used towards the end of the fight, and the hax probably won't be used to it's full potential. If their can't be used in the battle, what's the point of having the abilities in.their profiles?

2. The regen just has bad justifications. It needs better justifications so it can make better sense.

3. Teleportation can still be used. There are many characters who have similar Teleportation to Johnny. But guess what? The teleportation was still used in the fight because it can still be used in combat. Any Toon character can use their gag-like abilities in combat if they want to.
 
If Gumball's long list of losses is anything to go by, yeah, we don't cosider any brief showings of toon force strictly in-character.

Also Kazane might have her back against a wall but I still think her instinctive reactions and unorthodox fighting style should net her a win more times than not.
Johnny's Toon Force is far more unorthodox and unpredictable.
 
Sincerally, toon force should be re-write to be better usable in combat in the wiki... welll, let's go

Jhonny have fight thing a lot more unorthodox fighters in his life, and Kazane fight style even limits her, It can be a surprise at first, but Jhonny wouldn't have a problem following it to counter
 
Plus, y'all are still forgetting the 3.5x AP advantage Johnny has. Not to mention to massive mobility advantage he has. And his keen sense of vision. Regen and Immortality, too. These alone should honestly seal the deal. Kazane's not powerful enough to deal good damage, and she's already going to have troubles hitting Johnny in the first place.
 
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