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DC Cosmology

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Greenshifter said:
Looks fine at first glance, which degree of 2-A would Hypertime be?
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I think that Hypertime can be Low 1-C, as it's a higher-dimensional time, but i'm not sure about this. But if we will count it as only 2-A then it will be at least baseline, because it contains infinite timelines, parallel dimensions and realities.
 
SpiritofVengeance01 said:
I asked them all to comment here. They will comment when they have time.
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Thanks.
 
What do you mean with infinite realities? Infinite parallel dimensions and each dimension containing infinite timelines would be infinitely above baseline 2-A. Infinite realities with each reality containing infinite parallel dimensions, with each parallel dimension containing infinite timelines would be infinitely x infinitely above baseline 2-A.
 
With Doomsday Clock and the Metaverse, I agree that:

Orrey and Hypertime = 2-A.

Sphere of the Gods = At least 1-C Godheads

Monitor Sphere = At least 1-C, 1-A with the Thought Robot and Monitors feeding off the Bleed
 
@Firestorm808

Orrery of Worlds is a Low 1-C structure, because it contains 5-dimensional Bleedspace.

I think that Hypertime can be Low 1-C, as it's a higher-dimensional time, though i'm not sure about it.

Sphere of the Gods is Low 1-C, as it is a metaphysical reality which is a higher plane of existence than the Orrery of Worlds which contains the 5-dimensional Bleed.

Monitor Sphere is definitely a 1-A realm, as it's an archetypal realm where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid and time is the clockwork pattern in the sky

@Oliver de jesus

There is no evidence that the Metaverse used in The Next series is the same as the Metaverse used in Doomsday Clock, because there is a 12-year difference between the two series.
 
Remember that within 4-D/5-D contains infinite spatial dimensions whose nature is contradictory. 4-D and 5-D and 6-D are just governing layers, not really dimensions.
 
The Monitor Sphere should not be 1-A, that of "it's an archetypal realm where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid and time is the clockwork pattern in the sky"

It is not justification for 1-A, it is only philosophy, not least because in the monitor sphere is made of space and time, and 1-A has to transcend this to fit.

  • Scale. Space. Time. Everything is different now. Everything is more profound.
 
Space and time being deeper does not indicate to be dimensionless and timeless, but rather that the space and time structure is bigger.
 
@Alonik

What tiers would you suggest for the different levels of the DC multiverse?
 
I think the Thought Robot is talking about how space and time are more profound from his perspective, not necessarily that the space and time that are there are more profound.

As in the previous panel he was mesmerising on how small Limbo was from his point of view.
 
Limbo is completely outside of the Multiverse. Limbo is "nowhere". There are no time, stories and events here. Morrison stated that Limbo is the last outpost of the DCU proper before the archetypal Monitor World and The Overvoid.

Monitor Sphere is even beyond the Limbo.

Also, time in the Monitor Sphere is only clockwork pattern in the sky, not a literal physic-based temporal dimension.
 
Yes, Sandman31 and PrinceOfTheMorning in particular are extremely reliable when it comes to evaluating Marvel and DC threads.
 
Antvasima said:
@Alonik
What tiers would you suggest for the different levels of the DC multiverse?
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I don't know if you'll remember, but when the 25th chapter of justice league came out, we had proposed a keying to the dimensions of DC Comics, and separate according to retcon.

I keep in mind 3 base keys

6D (New Gods V4-Fourth World) basically 90s | Imperiex 11D | Morrison Cosmology

Also in Captain Atom (New 52) that is morrison's post cosmology (but is before multiversity) talks about eleven higher dimensions, I think we should evaluate this too as:

  • an outlier (it's valid only for that story)
  • or whether it should be put into Morrison's cosmology
 
Ogbunabali said:
I think the Thought Robot is talking about how space and time are more profound from his perspective, not necessarily that the space and time that are there are more profound.
As in the previous panel he was mesmerising on how small Limbo was from his point of view.
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yes, that's his vision, and he's looking at bigger things so he says it's deeper. If these things he's moving and looking at were spaceless and timeless, he'd say his vision would be seeing beyond space and time, not that space and time was around him was bigger.
 
I assume the 11-D thing refers to the actual dimensions and not governing layers like 5-D imagination and 6-D control room
 
I don't think that we should start messing with the entire structure of our current DC scaling system with PrinceOfTheMorning and Sandman31 missing.
 
True enough. I was referrig to Alonik.
 
I assumed it went like this:

Universe: 3-A

Universe + Time: Low 2-C

Universe + Timelines + Parallel Universes: 2-A+

Time = Low 1-C

Finite Number of Dimensions within Bleedspace = 1-B

5-D Bleed = 1-B

Godsphere = 1-B, maybe Low 1-A or 1-A :/

And etc
 
SpiritofVengeance01 said:
@Firestorm808

Orrery of Worlds is a Low 1-C structure, because it contains 5-dimensional Bleedspace.

I think that Hypertime can be Low 1-C, as it's a higher-dimensional time, though i'm not sure about it.

Sphere of the Gods is Low 1-C, as it is a metaphysical reality which is a higher plane of existence than the Orrery of Worlds which contains the 5-dimensional Bleed.

Monitor Sphere is definitely a 1-A realm, as it's an archetypal realm where form and meaning surrender to the Overvoid and time is the clockwork pattern in the sky

@Oliver de jesus

There is no evidence that the Metaverse used in The Next series is the same as the Metaverse used in Doomsday Clock, because there is a 12-year difference between the two series.
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I think SpiritofVengeance01 make senses. I agree for Low 1-C Hypertime, Orrery of Worlds, Sphere of the Gods and 1-A Monitor Sphere. For the layers of existence, i'm not very sure for the fourth dimension.. Maybe Low 1-C, 1-B for the fifth. I'm definetly sure the sixth dimension is 1-A as it is a timeless realm beyond the multiverse and the source wall.

According to this sca, in the omniverse when a multiverse breaks, it is sent back in the banks on which it was created which is the sixth dimension. Now the DC Multiverse is flying through the void as it is dying due to the destruction of the source wall which mean that the sixth dimension exist somewhere in the void (possibly the very edge of it) or it is even outside of it. So, the 6th dimension is clearly 1-A.

In other words, the sixth dimension is like the world forge and the omniverse is like the dark multiverse but far bigger and with an unknown number of multiverses.
 
Spirit makes sense to me as well, but I would prefer more input from knowledgeable members.
 
@Antvasima yeah and what do you think about the 6th dimension stuff on my post just above yours?

I also agree that our current DC cosmology explanation by POTM and the others is fine.
 
I am fine with a Low 1-C Sphere of the Gods. Anything higher than that needs thorough reliable analysis and evidence.
 
@FanofRPGs

In Morrison's cosmology Bleedspace has only five spatio-temporal dimensions. Only Snyder uses dimensions as governing layers of the existence.

Universe: 3-A

Universe + Time (4-Dimensional spacetime): Low 2-C

Parallel Universes + Timelines: 2-A

Bleed: Low 1-C

Orrery of Worlds: Low 1-C

Hypertime: Low 1-C

Fourth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): i'm not sure about it.

Fifth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): 1-B, as it's blood of the Multiverse and energy that flows between realms. Mxyzptlk stated that Fifth Dimension is everything at once.

Limbo: 1-A, as it's outside of the Multiverse and has no proper space and time like the rest of the Multiverse does.

Monitor Sphere: 1-A

The Source Wall: 1-A

Sixth Dimension (Snyder's Cosmology): 1-A
 
Also, won't Worth World Boom Tube Emanations be just high end 2-A while Godhead is 1-B?
 
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