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noninho

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Guts is in his 9-B key (beginning of the Golden Age, 930kJ (Check LegendariumOfLies' recalc on the Dragonslayer, not used here, but still)) and DD can summon her animatronics whose AP vary from 18,43kJ to 733kJ. Will be making a list of who gets instantly mauled by him and who is capable of giving some trouble (DD and XOR were chosen due to being the same as TOYSNHK but, TOYSNHK can summon her  and XOR, meaning every single animatronic...thrice. DD is accompanied by XOR due to the fact they both take a while to summon the animatronics, so it doesn't become that much unfair).

Speed is not equal, battle's at Pizzaria Simulator's last night, Guts start in the main hall, not in the office (tell me if it's more fair if Guts has prior knowledge of the fire weakness instead)

The Struggler: noninho, LightSoul8

Dee Dee and her Dark Version:

Incon:
 
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◇considering UCN keys for all◇

Foxy
Toy Freddy
Toy Bonnie
Toy Chica
Mangle
Balloon Boy
JJ
Golden Freddy
Nightmarionne
Trash and The Gang
Happy Frog
Mr. Hippo
Pigpatch
Nedd Bear
Orville Elephant
Rockstar Freddy
Rockstar Bonnie
Rockstar Chica
Rockstar Foxy
Music Man
RWQFSFASXC**
Plushtrap
Minireenas


(supposedly being relative to Nightmare BB, 34.3m/s vs 73,09 m/s)
-Freddy (normal)*
-Bonnie (normal, withered)*
-Chica (normal and withered)*
-Puppet (/Lefty)*
-Springtrap*


Nightmare Freddy
Nightmare Bonnie
Nightmare Chica
Nightmare Fredbear
Nightmare***
Jack-o-Chica
Nightmare Mangle
Nightmare BB
Old Man Consequences
Baby (Circus and Scrap)
Ballora
Funtime Foxy
Ennard (/Molten freddy)
Helpy
El Chip
Funtime Chica
Phone Guy
Bonnet
Lolbit

For the sake of using them as, you know, they're actually there... just doesn't have a profile, imma make some simplifications:
Sister Location guys (Ennard, Baby, Ballora, Funtime Foxy) and Pizzaria Simulator's (El Chip, Funtime Chica; Helpy later) will upscale to fnaf 2; Nightmares (of course, Jack-o-Chica, too) are (afaik) a materialization of...nightmares in UCN, so they will be like every other Animatronic, and imma put them to upscale from fnaf 2 too (APwise, the rest's equal like everyone else); To this fight, Phone Guy doesn't matter (Guts doesn't know how a Phone works, he might end up wrecking that), Old Man Consequences and Lolbit can't even exist against Guts (he doesn't use a monitor), as Bonnet's behavior is to pass in front of the enemy, Guts will end it pretty quickly, and Helpy gets mauled just like Music Man, whose attention he calls if he doesn't get clicked (or broken, in this case).


*=outAPd, can't do anything other than pushing or restricting movement, which they don't usually do. Only would end up happening if they got in a larger number, which DD won't be doing since she only spawn them in a few seconds

**=This guy doesn't usually attack. This is literally written for the key used here, so he's not going to be used as a wincon

***=according to this she actually can't summon him


-Guts is unable to kill any of them, yeah, but if he breaks them enough, they get incapped, and he has the range to his side
-Guts is more likely than not to outspeed (and despite the verse page saying there are people with almost his AP value i couldn't find any, meaning he also OutAPs) everyone
-DD usually spawns the animatronics with a significant interval, giving a little time for Guts to kill who she summoned and waiting for the next one to be mauled
-The vast majority of the animatronics usually like to sneak on their prey, but Guts has some pretty sharpened enhanced senses, so this won't work


-Severe advantage in LS, if any of them effectively jump on Guts, he's dead (unlikely since he outspeed everyone except like 8 guys, but still)
-Puppet and Fredbear can (don't do it that much but still) TP. If anyone can be durable enough, DD can summon them, and imo/afaik, the only one of them who outspeeds Guts is Puppet, so maaaaaaaaaaybe he could bypass Guts' senses and crush him with LS
-Springtrap's shadows may be able to facilitate the the wincon above. Highly unlikely, since the guard still can sense stuff up to a point, and Guts' senses are better than his, but still.

Due to the chance of the Animatronics' wincons happening being kinda low and Guts' being pretty solid, I'd give the victory to him, FRA.

(I've passed the last 2 days cracking my head about this, if it turns out badly I will be VERY VEEEEERY sad)
 
18.43 kj scales only to the animatronics in the ITP game, which, until we get further confirmation, is considered not canon to the main timeline.

and 733 kj scales only to the security breach characters, whom they cannot summon.
Value for the UCN ones? I'm kinda surprised by this, thank you
 
(supposedly being relative to Nightmare BB, 34.3m/s vs 73,09 m/s)
-Freddy (normal)*
-Bonnie (normal, withered)*
-Chica (normal and withered)*
-Puppet (/Lefty)*
-Springtrap*
Everyone scales to Nightmare BB in speed, I just forgot to add it to all of the profiles (will do today).
-DD usually spawns the animatronics with a significant interval, giving a little time for Guts to kill who she summoned and waiting for the next one to be mauled
XOR summons all bonus animatronics (Shadow Bonnie, Minireenas, Bonnet, Nightmare Chica, Plushtrap) in rapid succession.
-Puppet and Fredbear can (don't do it that much but still) TP. If anyone can be durable enough, DD can summon them, and imo/afaik, the only one of them who outspeeds Guts is Puppet, so maaaaaaaaaaybe he could bypass Guts' senses and crush him with LS
Since this is the Pizzeria Simulator office, which has no music box to calm Puppet, Puppet absolutely teleports here.
-Springtrap's shadows may be able to facilitate the the wincon above. Highly unlikely, since the guard still can sense stuff up to a point, and Guts' senses are better than his, but still.
El Chip's definitely better for this due to blinding Guts and creating loud music.

As for some other points, if Guts can't keep the temperature low, Freddy's gonna get a speed amp and Jack O' Chica gets Multilocation. There's also that type 2 Immortality to work around, as Guts would have to shatter every single one of them into pieces, and he's got 50+ animatronics all hunting him at once without any doors to protect him due to the location. There's also the fact of most of the animatronics having Stealth Mastery. I'm not really confident enough to vote yet, but I could easily see Guts getting overwhelmed by all of the animatronics' gimmicks.
 
Everyone scales to Nightmare BB in speed, I just forgot to add it to all of the profiles (will do today).

XOR summons all bonus animatronics (Shadow Bonnie, Minireenas, Bonnet, Nightmare Chica, Plushtrap) in rapid succession.

Since this is the Pizzeria Simulator office, which has no music box to calm Puppet, Puppet absolutely teleports here.

El Chip's definitely better for this due to blinding Guts and creating loud music.

As for some other points, if Guts can't keep the temperature low, Freddy's gonna get a speed amp and Jack O' Chica gets Multilocation. There's also that type 2 Immortality to work around, as Guts would have to shatter every single one of them into pieces, and he's got 50+ animatronics all hunting him at once without any doors to protect him due to the location. There's also the fact of most of the animatronics having Stealth Mastery. I'm not really confident enough to vote yet, but I could easily see Guts getting overwhelmed by all of the animatronics' gimmicks.
Okay but like how would they even hurt Guts?
 
Everyone scales to Nightmare BB in speed, I just forgot to add it to all of the profiles (will do today).
Oh
Ok then
What about the Freddy calc? Who scales to him (so far, not even himself)
If 100% of them scale to that speed, my argumentation changes little, just need to know this info first.

XOR summons all bonus animatronics (Shadow Bonnie, Minireenas, Bonnet, Nightmare Chica, Plushtrap) in rapid succession.
Then Guts deals with them actually the same way lol
I covered Bonnet, minireenas and shadow Bonnie before, tho

Since this is the Pizzeria Simulator office, which has no music box to calm Puppet, Puppet absolutely teleports here.
Actually, they can't. Guts stomps. It's a shame because I really like the idea of this matchup
Not the office, it's a more open space in the Pizzeria (like the hall you put everybody in) cuz the office would give Guts a severe disadvantage and make this very unfair, as I see it.
Puppet can TP, by the time he's summoned it is very likely Guts had already dealt with who's already been summoned. Tho if not, he's dead, due to due severe LS diff. So you're very wrong (unfortunately for me) to say they can't. It's just very unlikely.

El Chip's definitely better for this due to blinding Guts and creating loud music.
If El Chip alters the way the monitor works, then nothing changed
Iirc the player/William can still see something and hear something, and due to Guts' very Enhanced senses, this fortunately is no problem

As for some other points, if Guts can't keep the temperature low, Freddy's gonna get a speed amp and Jack O' Chica gets Multilocation.
Afaik this is about the office temperature, since he's not there this is not applicable today(?) And this should be covered by both his strategization and enhanced senses due to those not being summoned right there by his side

There's also that type 2 Immortality to work around, as Guts would have to shatter every single one of them into pieces, and he's got 50+ animatronics all hunting him at once without any doors to protect him due to the location.
Would agree with you except for the fact that DD takes long to summon them, XOR's summons are easily dealt by Guts or can't affect him, and Guts severely outAPs every single one of them.

There's also the fact of most of the animatronics having Stealth Mastery.
Most of them (afaik all of them) make noises (in-game comprehended as literal sound cues to tell you who's there and how distant) so one more thing Enhanced Senses take care of

Question, Can guts even interact with XOR?
No, he can't affect XOR or Shadow Bonnie's big name I haven't memorized yet
But they don't attack by themselves (Shadow Bonnie doesn't even attack, according to the profile), nor does DD who Guts can actually interact with.

Guts needs only to incap them all due to very few of them having regen and everyone who has takes a long time to do so (only one I remember rn is Springtrap, iirc that took more than days)


TLDR: not a stomp, Guts can be surprised by the teleporting animatronics, though I see it as a highly unlikely event. Guts can deal with debuffs and Stealth Mastery very easily and even more easier is the dismemberment (meaning incap) due to OutAP'ing them all.
 
Oh
Ok then
What about the Freddy calc?
Which calc? They scale to dismemberment.
If El Chip alters the way the monitor works, then nothing changed
El Chip's ad appears whether or not the monitor is up, so it presumably just blinds the actual person.
Most of them (afaik all of them) make noises (in-game comprehended as literal sound cues to tell you who's there and how distant) so one more thing Enhanced Senses take care of
Freddy, Foxy, Lefty, Golden Freddy, Rockstar Bonnie, Circus Baby, and
Jack O' Chica all come to mind as silent animatronics, although there are definitely more.
TLDR: not a stomp, Guts can be surprised by the teleporting animatronics, though I see it as a highly unlikely event. Guts can deal with debuffs and Stealth Mastery very easily and even more easier is the dismemberment (meaning incap) due to OutAP'ing them all.
For now, I'll say Guts wins due to vast advantages in AP, Durability, and Skill as well as his Enhanced Senses countering Stealth Mastery and none of the intangible animatronics being a real threat to him.
 
Which calc? They scale to dismemberment.
This one, the same that obtained the result for Nightmare BB. Not talking about dismemberment, just speed.

El Chip's ad appears whether or not the monitor is up, so it presumably just blinds the actual person.
Hm, it's actually kinda strange lol
But he can "click the skip button" faster than a human like us cuz his reaction speed is absolutely higher
If a regular human can deal with this and win the rest of 50/20 even thinking about saving power, Guts can deal with this too

Freddy, Foxy, Lefty, Golden Freddy, Rockstar Bonnie, Circus Baby, and
Jack O' Chica all come to mind as silent animatronics, although there are definitely more.
They make general moving sound cues and different from the player of those games who need more indications of who is the one making the movement so that they don't die, Guts can prepare after any sound and they won't be able to surprise him (specially if the only consumption of light he has is the fact that the lights are on. No doors, no monitor, no cameras, sound lure or camera lights, so they won't have the usual darkness or the fact they're against a regular human reaction speed to their advantage)

For now, I'll say Guts wins due to vast advantages in AP, Durability, and Skill as well as his Enhanced Senses countering Stealth Mastery and none of the intangible animatronics being a real threat to him.
Imma disagree with the durability part since they have immo type 2 and Guts is circumventing this by dismemberment (which is kinda ironic since this is the main strategy for them)
But imma count this as a vote, if it's not, tell me.
 
Imma disagree with the durability part since they have immo type 2 and Guts is circumventing this by dismemberment (which is kinda ironic since this is the main strategy for them)
But imma count this as a vote, if it's not, tell me.
It is a vote for Guts. And by durability, I was talking about Guts's durability, not the animatronics
 
I, as the creator of the speed calc, can tell you that this is a case of N. BB performing a feat, and all the other animatronics scaling to it, Freddy included.

Freddy's feat is there mostly as supporting evidence and because I did it before I did the BB one, so it just stuck around.

Also, since guts scales to 930kj, and the animatronics to 3.5, I believe more or less, it's a 265.7 times AP advantage, and no advantage in LS or speed is going to get you out of that.
 
Yeah, I can see this being a stomp in Guts' favor. Like, we're pitting a particularly gifted warrior against animatronics that are only there to torment Afton. What did any of y'all expect?
 
Also, since guts scales to 930kj, and the animatronics to 3.5, I believe more or less, it's a 265.7 times AP advantage, and no advantage in LS or speed is going to get you out of that.
Except TP
More than one combination between the ones XOR calls and the ones DD calls could make someone get to TP and crush Guts with sheer LS
So no, not a stomp
I, as the creator of the speed calc, can tell you that this is a case of N. BB performing a feat, and all the other animatronics scaling to it, Freddy included.

Freddy's feat is there mostly as supporting evidence and because I did it before I did the BB one, so it just stuck around.
Solved all my questions, thank you a lot
 
Yeah, I can see this being a stomp in Guts' favor. Like, we're pitting a particularly gifted warrior against animatronics that are only there to torment Afton. What did any of y'all expect?
56 of them who all can crush him with LS due to a gap larger than the gap between their AP and with a ton of possible combinations to cause this since he's facing 2 enemies that can call all of them
Not a stomp, mate
 
56 of them who all can crush him with LS due to a gap larger than the gap between their AP and with a ton of possible combinations to cause this since he's facing 2 enemies that can call all of them
Not a stomp, mate
"I can come up with this random wincon thats not actually in-character for anything involved, its not a stomp guys, there's an astronomically low chance they'll act OOC and win!"

Also, whoever gave XoR shadow animatronic physiology is a ******' idiot and they should feel bad.

Not to mention this can't even be added because DD and XoR have never cooperated.
 
"I can come up with this random wincon thats not actually in-character for anything involved, its not a stomp guys, there's an astronomically low chance they'll act OOC and win!"

Also, whoever gave XoR shadow animatronic physiology is a ******' idiot and they should feel bad.

Not to mention this can't even be added because DD and XoR have never cooperated.
You calling it ooc outta nowhere.
XOR summon whoever+DD summons Puppet and Guts is in a hard time

Aight, then, Guts now can affect him I suppose

This can cuz by the nature of them, DD appears most of the time while sometimes shes substituted by him. The literal mechanic of the game they appear.
 
You calling it ooc outta nowhere.
Show me a Freddy, ANY Freddy that's canon, crushing someone by piling on them. Or any other animatronic in this series for that matter.
XOR summon whoever+DD summons Puppet and Guts is in a hard time

Aight, then, Guts now can affect him I suppose

This can cuz by the nature of them, DD appears most of the time while sometimes shes substituted by him. The literal mechanic of the game they appear.
"If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat"

Yeah this is the only thing that comes within your ballpark, and even then it's not close to where it needs to be

Frankly though DD only does 1 at a time IIRC? While I'm fairly certain XoR spawns like 4 each time it's activated
...You mean possibly Intangibility and Incorporeality? For the translucent animatronic that rapidly phases in and out of existence?

Yeah, I feel absolutely terrible.
It's teleporting you pillock. And even then, use that instead of saying they're comparable to the Shadow animatronics which has 0 weight behind it.
 
It's teleporting you pillock
It flickers faster than it teleports from side to side, but whatever. I guess it could be teleporting in place, but even then, Intangibility via teleportation is still Intangibility, so who cares? The real problem there is Afterimage Creation, since the "afterimages" aren't even the result of XOR moving. I'll fully own up to that.
And even then, use that instead of saying they're comparable to the Shadow animatronics which has 0 weight behind it.
I suppose I phrased the description wrong. I should have put "Is possibly comparable" instead.
 
Show me a Freddy, ANY Freddy that's canon, crushing someone by piling on them. Or any other animatronic in this series for that matter.
Their main feat is crushing a guy's head. Almost everybody scales to this.
Yes the animatronics usually use their LS, and it's the main part of their wincon
"If two characters are canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat"

Yeah this is the only thing that comes within your ballpark, and even then it's not close to where it needs to be

Frankly though DD only does 1 at a time IIRC? While I'm fairly certain XoR spawns like 4 each time it's activated
Yeah, each time DD appears in game she summons/buffs 1 animatronic while afaik/iirc XOR summons/buffs all of his list.
If/when DD calls Puppet one of XoR's is giving problems to Guts and Puppet loses its calm, I see a very solid wincon
 
It flickers faster than it teleports from side to side, but whatever. I guess it could be teleporting in place, but even then, Intangibility via teleportation is still Intangibility, so who cares? The real problem there is Afterimage Creation, since the "afterimages" aren't even the result of XOR moving. I'll fully own up to that.
And it can just be faster than afton(it is) and just be thinking to teleport.
I suppose I phrased the description wrong. I should have put "Is possibly comparable" instead.
Possibly only applies if there is some backing behind it but it's vague. You have 0 reason to scale to real world shadow animatronics' abilities.
Their main feat is crushing a guy's head. Almost everybody scales to this.
Yes the animatronics usually use their LS, and it's the main part of their wincon
That's via shoving a guy's head into it, and it got like 10-A results when calced for both LS and AP. They are Class 5 for ripping people apart, but they don't have the AP for that and Guts has faced those kinds of odds against thousands who can, ya know, actually ******' harm him.
Yeah, each time DD appears in game she summons/buffs 1 animatronic while afaik/iirc XOR summons/buffs all of his list.
If/when DD calls Puppet one of XoR's is giving problems to Guts and Puppet loses its calm, I see a very solid wincon
Puppet in UCN is ass. Like, it can teleport. And takes a little bit to actually attack so it just gets incapped by being bisected lengthwise.
 
That's via shoving a guy's head into it, and it got like 10-A results when calced for both LS and AP. They are Class 5 for ripping people apart, but they don't have the AP for that and Guts has faced those kinds of odds against thousands who can, ya know, actually ******' harm him.
They may not have the AP but it's LS class 1 vs class 5, so they can harm him very very much with what they usually do
Puppet in UCN is ass. Like, it can teleport. And takes a little bit to actually attack so it just gets incapped by being bisected lengthwise.
If he doesn't work, Springtrap also TPs and the wincon is similar
 
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