13 Year old Baki Hanma vs Ayanokouji Kiyotaka

[Nikoandretti]

Baki AP: Street+ Range
Ayanokouji AP: 13.2 Kilojoules
Location: School locker room
Speed is equal
Starting Distance: 7 meters

Baki:

Ayanokouji:

Inconclusive:

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You seriously need to chill with matches, How many do you even have active??

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, Baki's 9-B key scales to 1 MJ iirc

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Also, Baki's 9-B key scales to 1 MJ iirc

Correct

 

[XxZetsuxX]

His 9-C+ key scales to baseline street+ level which is 7 KJ or smth

Also, I would like to mention on how (Again) Koji severely outskills to oblivion

If you use the 9-C+ key, That means that this is the same Baki that lost to a welterweight champion (Yuri) who Koji outskills to oblivion kek

 

[RoggerReggor]

We got Baki vs Ayanokouji before GTA VI.

 

[Nikoandretti]

You seriously need to chill with matches, How many do you even have active??

You have created far more threads than me lets man. I’m not sure what the problem is, there isn’t a limit on threads, as long as the fight can happen in and is valid. I’m simply making threads of fights I see alot

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You have created far more threads than me lets man. I’m not sure what the problem is, there isn’t a limit on threads, as long as the fight can happen in and is valid. I’m simply making threads of fights I see alot

Over the span of a year i did

But you are making every 5 seconds lol

 

[Nikoandretti]

Correct

that’s no problem I Changed it to his 9C+ key

 

[Nikoandretti]

Over the span of a year i did

But you are making every 5 seconds lol

okay so don’t be judgemental. I enjoy vs threads, just like you do. If nobody was making threads then the site would be pointless

 

[XxZetsuxX]

okay so don’t be judgemental. I enjoy vs threads, just like you do. If nobody was making threads then the site would be pointless

I am not lol, I was just saying in a non agressive way lol

 

[Nikoandretti]

His 9-C+ key scales to baseline street+ level which is 7 KJ or smth

Also, I would like to mention on how (Again) Koji severely outskills to oblivion

Ayanokouji is not more skilled than Baki. At this point Baki was already receiving the best training money can buy, from the best coaches around the world, on top of him being intensely trained by Yujiro ever since he could walk, which would scale him above white room training. Yujiro > White Room,

Now for skill feats: He could beat any animal on earth, beating off duty cops who have black belts, laughs at 100 people challenging him then beats 37 of them while all of them had weapons .

If you use the 9-C+ key, That means that this is the same Baki that lost to a welterweight champion (Yuri) who Koji outskills to oblivion kek

What world champion or high level martial artist has Ayanokouji ever fought to say his skill level is higher? Yuri beat an entire pack of wolves bare handed and this was before he became world champion. I don’t see Ayanokouji or Tsukishiro beating a pack of wolves. So I would say Baki is more skilled and faces more skilled opposition.

 

[Nikoandretti]

I vote Baki. Better feats, more skilled, better stamina, and better abilities. Just with Death Concentration he takes it. As it seems Ayanokouji can be caught off guard and blitz by characters even slower than him.

“I didn’t have the time to calmly analyze the situation anymore and was instead forced to focus my full attention on taking emergency evasive action. Her movements now were twice as fast as they were only moments earlier”

This is also not the first time he was almost blitzed before. Shiba attempted to sneak attack Ayanokouji while he was exchanging with Tsukishiro and Ayanokouji even stated Shiba has the same AP as himself.

Baki would start off equal with Ayanokouji in speed then with his rapid accelerated development and death concentration hax this fight will end

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ayanokouji is not more skilled than Baki. At this point Baki was already receiving the best training money can buy, from the best coaches around the world, on top of him being intensely trained by Yujiro ever since he could walk, which would scale him above white room training. Yujiro > White Room,

Now for skill feats: He could beat any animal on earth, beating off duty cops who have black belts, laughs at 100 people challenging him then beats 37 of them while all of them had weapons .

What world champion or high level martial artist has Ayanokouji ever fought to say his skill level is higher? Yuri beat an entire pack of wolves bare handed and this was before he became world champion. I don’t see Ayanokouji or Tsukishiro beating a pack of wolves. So I would say Baki is more skilled and faces more skilled opposition.

I vote Baki. Better feats, more skilled, better stamina, and better abilities. Just with Death Concentration he takes it. As it seems Ayanokouji can be caught off guard and blitz by characters even slower than him.

“I didn’t have the time to calmly analyze the situation anymore and was instead forced to focus my full attention on taking emergency evasive action. Her movements now were twice as fast as they were only moments earlier”

This is also not the first time he was almost blitzed before. Shiba attempted to sneak attack Ayanokouji while he was exchanging with Tsukishiro and Ayanokouji even stated Shiba has the same AP as himself.

Baki would start off equal with Ayanokouji in speed then with his rapid accelerated development and death concentration hax this fight will end

Reading all of this i can confidently say, You do not know how to scale at all, I am sorry but i don't mean this in a offensive way, But it's the truth

 

[XxZetsuxX]

None of the feats you presented reach even remotely close to Ayanokouji skill level

"Killing a pack of wolves is better than anything Koji did" just further proves my point on what i said above

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ayanokouji is not more skilled than Baki. At this point Baki was already receiving the best training money can buy, from the best coaches around the world, on top of him being intensely trained by Yujiro ever since he could walk, which would scale him above white room training. Yujiro > White Room,

Baki was training from the best coaches not professional fighters massive difference here

Being trained by Yujiro doesn't mean anything when he didn't even teach him anything special aside from death concentration

Now for skill feats: He could beat any animal on earth,

Koji being stated to be a genius among geniuses

White room stating that it creates geniuses in combat and intelligence

Koji with his perfect record of wins against professional fighters

Koji with more than 15k matches under his belt

Koji with more than 20 martial arts knowledge

Koji with his knowledge about human weak points

Koji being able to fight blind folded

Koji being able to outskill his opponents after 2-3 minutes

Koji with his ANPR capable of predicting via a shit ton of factors

Koji being able to stomp 6 fighters who were stronger than him

Koji being able to humiliate and no hit someone as skilled as him with the opponent bringing 1 more person with him + having prep time + prior knowledge + dehydrated, Tired and hungry + bad footing + Blazing hot sun + Perfect cordination + BIQ comparable to Koji

Koji having experience in dealing with opponents stronger and faster than him

And more

beating off duty cops who have black belts

Is this supposed to be impressive?

, laughs at 100 people challenging him

Beating a bunch of featless fodders is supposed to be impressive?

then beats 37 of them while all of them had weapons .

Beating a bunch of featless fodders is supposed to be impressive?

What world champion or high level martial artist has Ayanokouji ever fought to say his skill level is higher?

Professional fighters since he was just 4 years old lol and he also no diffed all of them by age 9

Yuri is also almost a featless fodder who obliterated Baki and made him cry lol

I don't see why he would scale higher than Koji?

Yuri beat an entire pack of wolves bare handed and this was before he became world champion. I don’t see Ayanokouji or Tsukishiro beating a pack of wolves. So I would say Baki is more skilled and faces more skilled opposition.

This is not even impressive at all wtf

You telling me beating a bunch of wolves that aren't even skilled + Are stupid is more impressive then Koji's feats?? Sorry, Not in a million years

Yuri gets outskilled to oblivion and it's not even funny

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I vote Baki. Better feats, more skilled,

Cap

better stamina,

It was noted his stamina and endurance is insane. In the second island exam, he was able to fight against Tsukishiro and Shiba after travelling across the island at high speed while also being starved and dehydrated. The terrain of the island was able to exhaust even those most athletic students in Japan in a few minutes, whilst Ayanokouji was completely fine despite being chased by an entire year of students. Showed no sign of fatigue despite being running on a treadmill for 30 minute straight. He also has a great resistance to pain, as during his encounter with Hosen, he intentionally allowed himself to be stabbed by a knife through his palm, to which he showed no signs of panic or pain and kept his usual poker face. Endured and didn't react to the pain of staying in a highly heated elevator for more than half an hour, despite stating that he was on the brink of death by heatstroke

Despite being at age four and being hit by trained martial artists and adults, Ayanokoji as well as other students needed to endure cruel beatings from instructors to the point it was normal and thinking about it was a waste of time, The white room gave Yuki physical paralysis, Trauma and, Depression, The white room also gave Heart/Panic attacks to those less resistance to the hellish training, The White Room also implied that kids have died in the White Room

No shot Baki wins this

and better abilities.

Ultra cap

Just with Death Concentration he takes it. As it seems Ayanokouji can be caught off guard and blitz by characters even slower than him.

This does not blitz anyone, Stop spreading misinformation

“I didn’t have the time to calmly analyze the situation anymore and was instead forced to focus my full attention on taking emergency evasive action. Her movements now were twice as fast as they were only moments earlier”

This is also not the first time he was almost blitzed before. Shiba attempted to sneak attack Ayanokouji while he was exchanging with Tsukishiro and Ayanokouji even stated Shiba has the same AP as himself.

Never did he get blitzed nor almost blitzed, Stop spreading misinformation

Baki would start off equal with Ayanokouji in speed then with his rapid accelerated development and death concentration hax this fight will end

Koji has better AD and his death concentration is not a blitz amp

Also Baki doesn't have AD in his profile so this argument is useless

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is a massive skill stomp in Koji's favor

If this is not considered a skill stomp, I vote Koji via my reasons

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also Baki gets fear haxed lol

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I would also like to mention something very crucial about Baki's 9-C+ Key

Is that he doesn't have most of the abilities in his profile

He doesn't have pressure points as that only appears in his 9-B key, He doesn't have Willpower Projection as he used it against Gaia which is post his 9-B key

He does not have ANPR nor Info analysis as that is post 9-B key too, Nor instinctive action as that was also post Gaia nor his resistence to telepathy via instinctive action

TL;DR

9-C+ Baki only has superhuman characteristics, Martial arts, Extrasensory perception, Afterimage creation and Statistics amplification

The rest of his abilities are invalidated due to being achieved post 9-B Key

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Here is on how i see the fight (Assuming it's not a stomp which is highly unlikely)

The fight starts 7 meters away, Baki in this key just rushes towards the opponent seen in his fight against the 100 gangsters who are not skilled at all and not stronger/Faster and Baki still lost (Lol), Ayanokouji on the other hand prefers to stay on the defensive and evade everything while analyzing his opponent, He is capable of seeing through Baki's simple movements as it's not something out of ordinary

Ayanokouji while he didn't fight against 100, He fought against 2 people (Tsukishiro and Shiba) with Tsukishiro being stated to be equal to Ayanokouji in skill. Tsukishiro and Shiba had Prior Knowledge + Prep time (Months in advance iirc?) + BIQ comparable to Koji + Perfect coordination + Ayanokouji was dehydrated, Tired and Hungry + On a blazing hot sun + Tsukishiro had a stun gun and yet Ayanokouji was still humiliating and no hit them

We also see that Baki struggles against someone who is skilled such as Yuri, Seen here with Yuri having just simple ANPR which Ayanokouji far exceeds and even has resistence to it, Ayanokouji can also fake his timing, Patterns, Habits and more against someone who could read his mind

Ayanokouji with a single glance he can tell how strong Baki is and what martial arts he uses and will proceed to finish the match quickly by going for pressure points and dura neg (It's on his standard tactic)

Ayanokouji also has fear hax that is capable of stunning Baki which leads to openings for Ayanokouji to exploit fully and beat him since Baki doesn't have resistence to it

If we are talking about skills Ayanokouji simply demolishes for the following reasons;

• The white room is stated to create artificial geniuses in combat and intelligence
• He has stayed there for 14 years in total with a total of 15330 number of fights with the white room stating they fought 3 times per day
• Ayanokouji trained Jeet Kune Do, Boxing, Karate, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Aikido, Taijutsu and Judo in the WR, Jeet Kune Do and Taijutsu is a composite martial arts, Meaning Ayanokouji knows more than 20 martial arts;
  • Wing Chun, Tai Chi, taekwondo, boxing, fencing and jujutsu, fencing, arnis, judo, Wrestling, Mixed Martial Arts, Emerson Combat System, Savate and Wei Kuen Do for Jeet Kune do
  • Gendai Goshin Jutsu, Yamabujin Goshin-Jutsu, Fuji Ryu Goshindo JiuJitsu, Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Kenpo for Taijtusu
  
  
• With said martial arts he was against professional fighters and masters in their own field
• He has a perfect record of wins against professional fighters
• His adaptability allowed him to go from losing in the first match to winning in the 2nd round against Shiro, With Shiro stating after Ayanokouji wins the gap between them keeps increasing more and more
• Ayanokouji is superior in terms of skills against Manabu who is a 5th dan in karate where you need more than 20+ years to achieve this level of mastery and 4th dan in aikido where you need more than 15+ years of training to achieve this level of mastery and Manabu is just 18 years old
• Ayanokouji also knows the various weak points of the human body and used them to win against 6 fighters who were stated by Koji himself that they were stronger than him physically
• Has experience in fighting people who are far stronger and faster than himself such as the adults they were training with who were masters in their fields
• Ayanokouji was also stated by age 9 to have already defeated every instructor who teached him everything he knows
• Stated that he has been numerous times in absurd and disadvantages situations drilled into him as a kid
• The White Room also stated that the 6th generation and 7th generation attempted the level 5 and 6 and they were stated to have been obliterated further showing how insane the level 10 really is, With the Beta Curriculum stated to be in a different dimension compared to the level 10
• It was stated that he never reached his "plateau" which means he never reached the full potential despite the white room training being supposed to improve human abilities at a young age and was stated to be a monster by his own father
• Was also trained on how to use weapons such as the baton, Knife and a taser
• The white room also trains the user's analytical abilities of the subject
• Was outperforming the white room training
• The fifth generation of the white room who had a weaker training regime were capable of measuring distance between them and their opponent without looking, Takuya being able to analyze upon abilities and deduce that Sakayanagi was the one in control of majority of the 1st Years, Yagami is also showned to be capable of seeing through lies, And Ichika was able to gap the strength between her, and Suzune and Ibuki and was able to completely analyze her opponents in the volleyball match of Year 2 Sports Festival, The white room students are showned to be able to use this ability due to the white room enviroment, They can memorize attack patterns and Predict trajetories of flying objects as they spent their entire life and learned everything they know there
• Tremendously more skilled than Ichika Amasawa and Takuya Yagami who did the 4th level of the white room
• Got an idea of his opponents being much stronger than the adults he had fought before and having been in an uphill battle just upon analyzing their movements, chose a weapon to fight them upon looking at the pros and cons of a given weapon upon the information
• He is capable of copying skills by absorbing visual and verbal information perfectly, Could also learn archery by watching tutorial videos and surpassed Ichika who had been training a day prior
• Can gauge the opponent strength by mere glancing and know what martial arts they are using with a glance
• Is massively superior to the likes of Ichika Amasawa due to much harder curriculum and should have learnt the abilities of likes of Ichika much before. Can determine each and every possibility to visualize the future to some extent. Ayanokouji was able to determine that Manabu was aiming to throw his sister when he was still pinning her and even asked him to confirm it, on hearing the predictions, Manabu also asks Ayanokouji on how was he able to figure out what he was trying to do. Ayanokouji can out-predict his opponents after he completely understands their upper limit, this has been displayed when Ayanokouji misreads Ryuuen's upper limit and then corrects it, it has been confirmed when Tsukishiro and Shiba deliberately tried to hide their abilities to prevent Ayanokouji from gaining an advantage. However, He can use his intuition to read his opponents and also determine their abilities as well. Ayanokouji also analyzes Hōsen from the sides and predicts that he was aiming to harm himself, something which cannot be predicted from the posture Hōsen was in
• Defeated Tsukishiro, an Assassin that was once hired by a Prime Minister, who he admitted was on his level.
• Held off Tsukishiro/Shiba who are both White Room agents or instructors
• Ayanokouji notes exactly how Tsukishiro had read 99% of his mind which was him feeding Tsukishiro false information and that he won't let him analyze his true thoughts/intentions which was the 1%.
• Can kill his presence. He also followed several people without being noticed.
• Said it himself that he was capable of fighting Tsubasa Nanase even with his eyes closed and Ibuki too

Ayanokouji outhaxes, Outskills and one shots via pressure points and dura neg

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

My guy, you made 7 comments in like 30 min. There exists an "edit comment" option, you know.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Wtf Zetsu gah damn. The PASSION.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Zetsu should officially be given the International Yapping Essay Writing Competition award, yes.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

bump

 

[Mr_Lumbago]

Before I answer anything, is this the same Baki who fought Hanayama? If that's the case then he should have quite a significant skill advantage from what I'm reading. I will elaborate if that's in fact the key we are using.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Before I answer anything, is this the same Baki who fought Hanayama? If that's the case then he should have quite a significant skill advantage from what I'm reading. I will elaborate if that's in fact the key we are using.

9-C+ key

 

[Mr_Lumbago]

9-C+ key

Yeah, I know it's the 9-C+ key. I'm asking if it's the one who fought Hanayama.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yeah, I know it's the 9-C+ key. I'm asking if it's the one who fought Hanayama.

Idk isn't that on his 9-B key?

 

[Mr_Lumbago]

Idk isn't that on his 9-B key?

I've got no idea, that's why I'm asking you

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I've got no idea, that's why I'm asking you

Well, Mabye it's after? He is 9-B after defeating Yasha Ape

 

[Mr_Lumbago]

Well, Mabye it's after? He is 9-B after defeating Yasha Ape

Then yeah, that's not the one I'm talking about. I can't work with that, although just to say, Post-ando absolutely does have pressure points.