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@Dark-Carioca
Even if we have any solid proof that Spider-Man Noticeably ages throughout the show, there's a 3000 times power difference between baseline 9-A to 15 tons of TNT. So no, I don't think anyone's going to believe that Spider-Man Increased in power by roughly 3000 times from the...
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but getting one 8-B feat and trying to scale it to the entire verse is definitely NOT the way to go here, as it's the lazy way out and basically renders a lot of Lonkitt's feat research unusable/useless.
This seems to be a big reoccurring issue on this site...
Well, yea the RPG certainly shouldn't be High 8-C just based off some video game mechanic scaling.
If it's acutally confirmed somewhere that Uroboros Wesker is suppose to be pyhsically superior to El Gigante then maybe scaling him to El Gigante could make sense, though to be fair I don't think...
Aren't the Tyrants just these guys?
Those two actually have solid 9-A feats and in Tyrant T-103's second Durability key it states "Tougher than before but got destroyed by a blast from a rocket-launcher" which i assume was an RPG, so that further supports those characters being in the low-end...
All of this looks good.
I was already eventually planning on discussing a questionable Ap thing about Resident Evil so I might as well just bring it up here.
So currently Wesker's second key is listed as having High 8-C durability for surviving RPG shots and his thrid key is listed as High...
Yea I don't really expect it to have better results then the T-850's fuel cell explosion. But Hopefully it'll be somewhere where in the 9-A Range so it could give the movie Terminators an actual calc/feat that fully supports their current rating, just waiting for a better quality clip of the...
Yea She-Hulk's strength has never really seemed to be anywhere near as variable has Hulk's, and Abomination has also fought against Thor and Namor as well.
Ehh there are both, a lot of things Hulk has done himself and a lot of statements made about Hulk that contradict that.
And no, it's not speculative at all. Having infinite strength automatically entails a High 3-A rating and Hulk has numerous 3-A to High 3-A feats of his own.
And I'm done...
Well to be fair, Marvel the company seems to be dead set on thinking the Hulk has infinite strength, they've made that extremely clear. And I just don't think choosing to basically completely ignore this was ever a good idea, since it goes against one of the core elements of his powers.
And yea...
Yes I recall that feat, but Ironclad isn't the one whose been stated to have infinite strength in basically every known variation of the official Marvel handbooks, encyclopedias, websites, etc is he? Nope, Hulk is. Ironclad being involved in a display of that level only one time means nothing.
I never said any thing about his peak showings scaling to anyone, and People on the Thing and Grey Hulk revisions thread seem to think scaling Anyone from Hulk is too inconsistent anyways.
And I understand that he sometimes struggles against certain characters who aren't of that level, but...
@ Ant
Ehh that kinda talk is exactly what I was referring to in my post.
Like how the hell do we consider Hulk having infinite strength as an outlier? Marvel literally considers it as one of Hulk's powers and a staple of the character. If you don't believe me then have fun trying to find an...
Ehh I feel like Carl getting knocked out by the explosion was just a common movie trope, to make it feel more cinematic when he saves Dani at the last second just before the Rev-9 kills her, especially since his endoskeleton seemed to take virtually zero damage from the explosion.
But still, us...
I 100% agree with Ant. If we're going to use hulk's lowest consistent showing, then it would only make sense/be fair to use his highest consistent showing as well (High 3-A), since we already know that Hulk's strength can vary a lot and that Marvel has made it extremely clear that For all...
@ Alien Dual Blaster
That's the thing, the Rev-9's endoskeleton wasn't fully intact after the turbine explosion. It was missing most of its right arm, it had a limp in its leg, and it could barley walk straight anymore. It's pretty simple, Carl's arm survived the exact same thing the Rev-9's...
@Alien Dual Blaster
Something I forgot to add was that while the Rev-9 was getting grinded up by the turbine, it clearly looked like it was grinding off all of the Rev-9's liquid metal exterior which likely the only reason why it's endo-skeleton took as much damage as it did when the turbine...
XD. No way, that seriously can't be the argument you've resorted to using. Virtually every damn Marvel and DC character on this site is only at the Tier their listed as, based on a handful of feats that we've plucked out of the thousands of feats they've accumulated over the numerous decades...
And I've always been confused about the whole "different models of terminators thing". So Model 101 T-800s are strictly the Terminators that look like Arnold right?
@DarkDragon
Yea if thier constantly considered as "indestructible" then yea I'd imagine they'd be able to survive something like an RPG-7 explosion, though I have a feeling a majortiy of there Ap and Durability feats kinda contradict that.
@Colonel
Yea they probably would, but IIRC don't they easily kill T-800s in one shot? So I don't really think they could scale to thier physical Ap or durability.
And I don't really remember there being any prominent moments or Calc worthy moments they had in the films to be honest.
Yea I remember a thread where peope were discussing rather or not Thing is a brick wall aka has higher durability then his Ap. I've always thought that could be plausible as well since even though there's been times where he's failed to match the full power of a 4-B, he's still been able to take...
^ Yea this, plus that was just His liquid metal exterior by it self which was always get getting heavily damaged/splattered by wall level stuff. Like when Carl hit/splattered it with a grenade launcher round during the airplane fight scene, grenade launcher rounds are generally only 9-B. Even...
You can see Kepekley23 kind of explaining why gas explosions aren't even real explosions in a way here in this thread
"Eh, even then the durability of characters who tank fuel-based "explosions" (not actual explosions) is only 9-B maximum. They only tank heat."
"Gasoline doesn't explode. It...
I saw the movie again, so a few things: (Warning, Mega post incoming)
When separated the Rev-9 very clearly seems to be weaker then when he's whole. Carl was able to absolutely manhandle his endo-skeleton by himself while Grace was able to slice through his liquid metal exterior with ease by...
I don't think anyone here is pushing for 4-B Colossus or Cyclops. I'm pretty sure someone already explained that those two will scale to Magneto, or something like that.
@Matthew
A lot of 4-B Marvel characters on this site have no feats anywhere near 4-B, but their still rated as 4-B solely for fighting characters like Hulk or Thor once or twice. The Thing has done those exact same things, but on a much more common and consistent basis.
And to be fair the...
Yea I recall him training before as well.
And if Modern Thing is indeed stronger then he use to be, then both keys would likely be put as 4-B since he has a ton of consistency with fighting 4-B characters both back then and now currently.
@ByAsura
Didn't you say your self that none of these characters have any valid tier 5 calcs/feats as of right now since they were debunked? So wouldn't giving them High 5-A ratings not make any sense? I'm personally still in favor of just out right listing them as 4-B due to the uncanny amount...
Sorry but it really was nonsensical when you actually sit there and think about it.
This sites purpose is to accurately gauge characters level of power by using their most consistent showing of power to due so, is it not? Now some people will grab like 2 or 3 feats that are of the same level...
Yea sorry if that came off as hostile, that's not even my intention. Just trying to make a point, but to be completely fair I've witnessed some occasions where Matthew was being quite snarky to other members on here, even after being told to stop numerous times.
Oh you mean like how you were one of the main supporters of Marvel Street Level hero's being 8-A to Low 7-C based on some flimsy Calcs and feats that were easily debunk-able? And how you were able to scale it to a lot of characters and actually got away with it for quite some time? Craziest...
Well yea Namor's variable tier does make more sense then it does with others that have variable tiers, but Thing has been able to fight on par with Namor on both land and in water like ever since Namor's creation. Hell, IIRC they fought underwater in more recent years and the Thing ended up winning.
And besides we did the exact same thing for Captain Marvel, so what makes The Thing (and the characters that he scales to/characters that scale to him) so much different? Especially when considering he seems to have more consistency with fighting 4-B characters then Even Captain Marvel does her...