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Ultima_Reality

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  • Gasper
    Would this be more proof that God (divine comedy) sees all heavens as a thought?
    Heaven is also described as basically being the source of the universe and everything else, what tier would that be?


    Anyway, what tier would angels be in you opinion?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Kinda, yeah. Although the relation between the Empyrean and the rest of the universe is a bit weird, since it's occasionally implied that God is beyond even it (e.g. At one point it is stated that he isn't bound by Heaven, but dwells in there for greater love).

    Not sure about the angels, myself. They're likely 1-A, based on their own natures, but the sanctifying grace that God emanates upon them is probably higher. Doesn't matter, anyway, since they all have the full favor of the local Tier 0.
    Gasper
    Gasper
    Isn't Primo Mobile the source of everything and not Empyrean which is even above it?

    Edit: will you make Profiles for Angels in the future?
    god_cat
    ultima hello, I have a question, the force in the star wars legends is ultimately an energy field that is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, transcends all metaphysical elements, has no duality and transcends all concepts, as it is known, I really wonder where the star wars cosmology and force will scale with the new system and according to what I said. because seriously the star wars pages are very outdated and lack revision, canon and legends are not even separate and there is a lack of entities like oneness jacen solo and force ghosts
    Fixxed
    Hello again ultima, a question

    If a abstract thing encompasses all the creation, all concept and law, the math, even the infinite, being most fundamental thing and being the logic behind all thing. Encompassing all thing no matter how infinite they are

    Are this can be high 1B or low 1A??
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    Fixxed
    Fixxed
    I think 1A should stated some word like "transcend, above, beyond, superior"? I think encompasses a thing are a biggest anti feats for 1A because it have something inside it and 1A are lack of any composition
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Material composition only, more specifically ("Matter" here being taken in a broad sense and not solely in the sense of atoms and whatnot, mind). Encompassment needn't consist of that.
    Fixxed
    Fixxed
    Ok thank
    Shiraito983
    Hello Ultima, I know you are VERY BUUUUUSYYYYYYYY right now with tons of work but could you check this thread if you have free time?
    It's the stuff I asked you before if the cosmology is 1-A and you said it is. straightforwardly,

    the content was more like 90% downgrade and 10% 1-A stuff.
    also, do I need to put this in queue or nah

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    Yumiella Sad Low 1-C downgrade + Cosmology Upgrade 1-A

    OP notes: Please Read it carefully as it may be confusing for none readers and I'm not proficient in English or read the cosmology blog first, it's not that long Intro: Cosmology is confirmed to have R>F transcendence For a Higher World. thus making them low 1-C for having an ontological...
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    LuffyRuffy46307
    Ultima, i have a question about the God of Supernatural, it fits with his system about 1-A, since he sees the verse as fiction and makes every script in the series, Of course, i'm not trying to make him tier 0, but him reaching 1-A or something similar is possible through his R>F ?
    Huesito88
    Question Ultima can someone have the ability to where they can change there own perception or others perceptions to see a tier 0 realm or would that be an anti feat? Like they can't manipulate the Realm they can only see It themselves or make another person see the world for what it truly is. (What would be its potency? If it isn't an anti feat that is)

    Another Question can there also be a mechanic in a verse where there's this highest realm (nothing is higher than this realm now whether this realm is 1-A or 26-D doesn't matter, well actually there is one thing higher and that is...) that another characters can access and in this realm it has a mechanic to where every once and a while the realm's bottom side turns into a reflection like a mirror. The reflection is a perfect view of a tier 0 realm, the reflection ISN'T the actual tier 0 realm manifesting into this realm. Now no one can access this Tier 0 realm or know where it is, the only reason they even know it exists is because of this phenomenon, so is this an Anti Feat?
    CallMeWiertz
    hi, im new, pls explain me ^_^
    Do the information, theories, and concepts of the higher realms that are inaccessible and incomprehensible compared to higher realm entities satisfy the condition for the r-f attribute? and why 〒▽〒
    Jeeeeepil123
    Hey Ultima, i really want to have your input on this thread here. I made this thread before the new system have been applied, could you please, please look at it and see if it qualified for the new system
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    Shadow Fight Upgrade That Should Have Been Done In The Past

    Seeing this thread here have been gone quite over a month without any progress, i am deciding to make a new one in hope to gather more input (i also have more justification to strengthen the fact) I already created a cosmology pages for all of the arguments, the only thing is now to decide...
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    I already put this thread on the 1-A/High1-A Revision Thread, but it seems that you didn't see it (?), so please.
    Elyartaker
    Hello ultima!
    I would like to have your comment on this thread since majority of people I know are confused

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    Acausality Type 5

    Hello everyone! acausality Type 5 I believe does not make sense. the definition means being totally unchanged and independent from all forms and levels of causality. from my understanding, all tier 0 characters should receive this, same as characters bestowed with it from a Tier 0 character. but...
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    VeryGoofyToddler2
    Just in case you forgot about this thread. Your input will be necessary.

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    J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

    As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...
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    ChoursDropoff
    Hello Ultima can I please have your input on this crt? We have 2 staff input and need a third perspective. It’s a quite simple upgrade.

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    Destroyers trying to make history

    I kinda agree with historical EE because didn't beerus stated that zamasu would be erased at all point in history? What I don't get is universe 6 being refered to as history as evidence for HEE because in context it means that even though uni 6 and 7 are twin uni having some same species. Their...
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    TellingGojira
    Hello Ultima, I was wondering if you have discord, as I would like to discuss evaluation of Self-Reference ENGINE's future placements

    Thank you in advance
    MurphsParadox
    Hey Ultima, I had some questions regarding implications of the New Tiering System and I was wondering if you could answer.
    1. When comparing two Verses in their totality, both of which have Tier 0s, can a comparison be made through the surrounding Characters (e.g. besides the 0s, Verse A has several High 1-A Characters, whereas Verse B only has a few 1-A Characters, so Verse A is superior", or is such a comparison absurd due to the existence of Tier 0s in both Verses?
    2. As I understand, the totality of all Logical Space and/or possible worlds in Modal Realism qualifies for High 1-A+ on the Tiering System. How would the Wiki approach Verses dealing with Extended Modal Realism, which denotes both possible and impossible worlds as equally real?
    3. This is more so for confirmation than anything, but would holding R>F over a 1-A Space qualify High 1-A or just deeper into 1-A? I'm assuming the former.
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    1. Yeah, I guess so. It's probably reasonable to exclude the Tier 0 when making casual comparisons like that. Else the two verses just end up equal.

    2. Would still be High 1-A+

    3. The latter, without more context.
    MurphsParadox
    MurphsParadox
    3. Can you expand on this? Because as I understood it from the description, High 1-A exhibits qualitative superiority over 1-A, in which case, R>F (i.e. qualitative superiority) over one such Space should qualify for High 1-A, no? or am I misunderstanding High 1-A entirely?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Less "Qualitative superiority over 1-A" and more "Transcends qualitative superiority" itself. The idea is effectively that, just as everything from 11-C to Low 1-A shares of a single overarching attribute, which 1-A is superior to, so is High 1-A superior to the attribute defining a 1-A hierarchy (Or would-be hierarchy).
    Realabod
    so, like if a character is unbounded by logic, would he scale to boundless??
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    Realabod
    Realabod
    because if a character isn't bounded by every possibility represented by high 1-A+ which is all logical possibilities existing then it's boundless so yeah go test your eyes sweetie
    Gasper
    Gasper
    You do realize a simple statement of being "beyond logic" isn't enough for Tier 0, right? Tik Tok level thinking lmaoo
    Realabod
    Realabod
    what tier are you in debates
    Shiraito983
    Some questions about 1A r>f

    let's say there are clear ontological differences between the world where world A is the higher one and world b is the fiction
    if there's an Item from world A in world b. would that be an anti-feat?
    Realabod
    Realabod
    not really, it really depends on how you argue it. so let's say if there is proof that the item is unmatchable by anything in world B, you can just argue that it's too powerful for world B, that anyone that use it becomes like a character from world A. but it really depends on how you argue it.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Not necessarily? I suppose it could also depend on how the item got there, but if the verse is very explicit on the total superiority of the higher layer over the lower layer, then, probably reasonable to think there's a rational explanation for that.
    Zhuo_Fan23345454
    A little question.

    If in a novel a dimension is stated to be 2 or 4 times higher in uncountable infinite levels, does that mean it will get disqualified or that statement will be taken ?
    Fixxed
    Some question about 1A

    You already transcend time and space and more "bigger" or superior than it. Your nature of existence are entirely transcend time and space, but your range of transcendence do not reach the other time and space. Yeah this is not about your nature of transcendence but your range

    It is still count as 1A???
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    Sounds weird as hell, but, sure? If the spacetime is just chucked in some sphere of existence that's outside their domain or somesuch.
    ZwartD
    Hello, I want to ask how would you rate this under the new tiering system? It's the new statement from the new Demonbane, one of the verses you involved in the past.
    I wonder if it still qualifies for tier 1 with this scan alone.
    In my view, things such as gods are afloat, chaotic, vague and uneven. They are Faceless, Blind Idiot, yet don't possess any meaning at all.
    No, although it isn't really that important, but I don't think that it's enough.
    The gods just happened to exist. They are merely swirling. An indistinct mass crawling ambiguously.
    There's no meaning in them. Nor there's a shape from them. There's nothing in them. They are nothing but a void spreading between zero and infinity.
    Hence, assuming there was something that existed in the world… If there was something that looked like it existed in the world, then it was simply the human's own imagination. It is simply the image of the gods projected as a distorted shadow that screwed into the infinitesimal vessel of humans.
    Those who view the world also bestow the form to the world and spin out the stories in accordance to their own will.
    ----Without a doubt, they are prayers.
    Those prayers discover the shape in things that don't have a face or a form on their own. The gods who have assumed their forms gaze at the world with two holes pierced through their facelessness. The very shadow (world) of me that becomes distorted and wrapped.
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    ZwartD
    ZwartD
    Bump
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Yeah, okay. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for the purpose of this question, so, if what you're saying is correct, then it seems the first statement (About the forms of the gods being illusions) would by extension apply not only to them but to the material realm as a whole. I'd be fine with the "higher form" of the universe being 1-A, and by extension with the true forms of the gods being 1-A as well.
    ZwartD
    ZwartD
    Thank you for your reply, it will be very helpful for Demonbane's future revisions
    Gasper
    Sorry for the second question, but do you think Dharmakaya from JTTW to be tier 0 and Buddhas at least 1-A or nah?
    Rakih_Elyan
    Rakih_Elyan
    He literally use Dharmakaya as an example for his tier 0 CRT lol.
    Yokoahh5743
    Shouldn't Kevin in the MCU be 1-A? He in a higher dimension in the real world. she hulk got to him because the real world system went error and he fixed it and she hulk won't be able to go see him again
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    Gasper
    Gasper
    No, characters like she-Hulk can literally interact with him.
    Gasper
    Where would you scale God from Paradise Lost by John Milton?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I dunno, I haven't read the poem entire. Some parts of it that I've read because of a friend seem like they could imply 1-A or so, but I'd need to check further.
    BleedingPeach
    Good evening, Ultima. Thank you for your colaborations regarding The Star Maker. What I want to know is if you consider Accelerated Development for said "character", mostly because it creates cosmoses more complex than the last one. And no, I'm not gonna say it should be Tier 0 since it doesn't meets the requirements for said Tier.
    Hello, I wanted to confirm if you're finally done with the tier thread revisions or if something else is coming up shortly
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I'm done with the revisions themselves. Most likely, I'll tweak some power pages afterwards, though.
    Ihsjihahxu
    When you have time, can you check my CRT?

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    Downgrade Mitsuki To Low1A

    Hello , As you know, Mitsuki is a special character in instant death. And In the Celestial Foundation world, it was part of Mitsuki's dream. Mitsuki receives her power from three high level gods, Lu, Alexia, and UEG. Mitsuki receives the gods from the gods and transcends them. Mitsuki...
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    Godsatoshi23
    Hello. Does it qualify for R>F?

    “I might’ve mentioned it in the past, but I’m simply one who crosses worlds. I’ve been called many things in the past. A drifter, a Shift Walker, l’etranger... The list goes on. I was born in a world that exists ‘higher’ on the ladder of reality, at least compared to this one. I have the ability to traverse worlds, up and down, but only worlds ‘below’ my own. I don’t have omnipotent power.”

    So he can move between worlds... That’s an incredible power, honestly... Still, he said he can only cross to lower worlds.
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    It said that one world exist in higer reality then the other.
    Omazio2019
    I've a question about 1-A via transcend dimension and being source of dimensions
    Each of the Kamen Rider (the abstract power within them) is the axis root of their worlds/dimensions and there's even one have the fundamental abstract power that transcend the dimensions. So do they need to be the root of all dimensions to be 1-A or being source of dimensions in their territories is enough?

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    Kamen Rider is the axis of each world and protects each world. The rider's power, the source of that power, seems to be a mysterious power latent in those who transform into Kamen Riders. When Sougo decides to fight, the Rider's power is poured into the Blank Watch, and just like the Zi-O Ride Watch was created, it is thought that by showing the will and actions befitting a Rider, the transformer himself manifests itself.

    The rider's power is what protects each world, so the world of Tsukuyomi where riders do not exist has come to a time of destruction. It is also thought that each world depends on the rider's power, and when the rider's power moves to another world, the world itself seems to move. As a result, the world of each riders may have fused with Sougo's world as Another Watch and Ridewatch with the power of riders gathered in Sougo's world. However, there were various discrepancies in this fusion, which caused the distortion of space-time. As a result, Gatack's Kagami, while still having memories of Kabuto's world where the meteorite fell in Shibuya, seems to have existed in Sougo's world where the meteorite did not fall in Shibuya.
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    And on this day in 2019. He has taken my Demon King and Tsukuyomi-kun to the other dimension where Tsukuyomi-kun and Swartz were born —— the world where they existed as a royal family.
    The〝Aurora Curtain〟.
    Kamen Rider Decade's『ability to surpass the barriers of worlds』.
    That is the fundamental power that makes him a transcender of time and dimensions, and a traveler of worlds.
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    —— After that, my Demon King and Tsukuyomi-kun went to the space-time where Tsukuyomi was as a young girl.
    If I remember correctly, I was with them in Kujigoji-DO at the time of this description of the『True Ohma Advent Calendar』, but I don’t remember that My Lord took the Decade Ridewatch from the Ridewatch Daizer where he kept the Watch.
    What we seek is here, as it should be——.
    「Do you get it now, New Demon King?」
    「Well......, kinda」
    「Kinda is a good sign for now」
    When dealing with time travel narratives, the most troublesome and tedious task is explaining events that occur in these two dimensions yet are causally related. Goodness, who even started thinking about tackling such a thing?
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    No, "transcender of dimensions" is pretty obviously just talking about how he can travel between different universes.
    Fixxed
    Some question

    What if you have a power that literally qualitative superior over entire world beyond the quantitave superiority entirely. I mean not you but your power, and this power not only an "energy" but a abstraction

    Are you still 1A???
    HammerStrikes219
    “This appears to be born at least in part due to a misunderstanding of what Dimensional Theory is.

    Dimensional Theory deals with actually scientific theories about the dimensionality of our cosmology and the nature of the dimensions within it. This is not Infinite Dimensional, this is simply 11-D in accordance with M-Theory.
    It also does not say it is beyond dimensions altogether in the first place.

    神秘学の語るところによれば、この世界の外側には次元論の頂点に在る“力”があるという。
    あらゆる出来事の発端とされる座標。それが、すべての魔術師の悲願たる『根源の渦』……万物の始まりにして終焉しゅうえん、この世の全てを記録し、この世の全てを創造できるという神の座である。
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    The term used here is 頂点 which refers to a peak or summit or vertex. Not something beyond, but rather something still part of it, but just at a point where nothing is higher. This still only supports the idea of Eleven Dimensions at maximum.”


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    At the boundary of tier 0: Swirl of the root tier 0 upgrade

    This translation comes from Cokesakto, they are notorious for being bad. Do you have a replacement translation?
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    What do you have to say regarding this part as mentioned here by a different person?

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    Nasuverse Mega CRT Part 1: 1-A Root

    Introductions Likely my biggest CRT ever, and the first of many tier 1 shenanigans in Nasuverse. Shoutouts to Ultima, John935, TheUnshakableOne, Regidian, Iapetus and many, many others, either on or off site. This would have been impossible to do alone. This is the day where my reputation on...
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    Also I rather stay out of Nasuverse CRTs in general as I already getting headaches regarding the cosmology aspect due to the sheer amount of info to go through
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    HammerStrikes219
    Also I don’t get the issue with Shiki as it is confirmed multiple times. That Void Shiki (One with the root personality) is still the person as regular Shiki from KnK.

    Also even FGO (2015) profile has confirmed that Void Shiki is the same person, but different personality.

    I don’t get what my fellow Nasuverse supporters are getting at with the Shiki’s angle.

    “
    Fan Translation:The same person as the girl who wears a leather jacket over a kimono, Ryōgi Shiki.
    However, she has a different personality.
    If Ryōgi Shiki is a girl with the name, 「Shiki」, this individual is a woman with the name, 「Ryōgi Shiki」.
    The personality of the body itself, embodying 「　」 that represents the beginning.
    She slumbers within Shiki from her birth to her death.”
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Another potential issue regarding the logic used by my fellow Nasuverse supporters is the Grail System already summon servants, copies of the original Heroic spirits that is summoned by the Grail System.
    “
    Difference between Heroic Spirits and Servants
    Heroic Spirits were Heroes who have left behind great feats in legends after death and become subjects of belief.
    Normally, a Heroic Spirit is summoned by the world as power that protects humans.
    The ones summoned by humans are Servants. However, Heroic Spirits cannot be controlled by humans, and to summon them, the Holy Grail or something with power of that sort must be used.
    The Servant system of Fuyuki summons Heroic Spirits with the power of the Greater Grail. Heroic Spirits summoned as Servants are like "emanations", copies created using the information of the main body of the Heroic Servant.”


    It is from Fate/Complete Material III book in regards to the Heroic Spirits and also what Deagonx is referring to when he used the image of the Throne of Heroes.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Also, the point that the hole leads to the Throne of Heroes is completely unsupported by any text as the hole being lead to the Root, not the Throne of Heroes.

    Even if we used the logic demonstrated by my fellow Nasuverse Supporters, this fails to address the issue of the Throne of Heroes already being used to summon servants.

    Also IIRC, the Holy Grail War does technically involved a grail being considered a “wishing machine” so to speak so it is arbitrary imo that the hole leads to only the Throne of Heroes instead of the Root which I completely and utterly disagree with this logic of the hole leading to the Throne of Heroes.
    Ihsjihahxu
    I know it's a stupid question.
    That character A R>F put B character with tier low1A
    Character A Should be 1-A right?
    Realabod
    Realabod
    huh??? like can you rephrase it please.
    Shiraito983
    hello, does this qualify for low 1-A?
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    Villainess Level 99 Cosmology Page

    This page is solely for Villainess Level 99: I May Be the Hidden Boss but I'm Not the Demon Lord Cosmology page explanation The Content revision thread was accepted here. Lets start without any further delay there are infinite number of parallel worlds The Tree branch is a parallel world, and...
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    Grand_Saver_Ritsuka
    need another help with this
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    Can this page qualify for divine simplicity?

    I just noticed this page https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shiva_(Devo_ke_Dev_Mahadev) And realized (if this profile is not against our rules) there are quite a few implications of the verse following divine simplicity. 1.Parabrahman is "everything and nothing" Abstract Existence (He is...
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    LuffyRuffy46307
    Ultima now will the show start for level 2? I'm anxiously waiting, make Dragon Ball have 6 space-times again and all of them have the size low 2-C ^⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠_⁠^
    DaReaperMan
    So, Ultima, does Warhammer remain the same on the Cosmology end of things? Just asking to be sure
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