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Knowzn
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  • Yo, I need you in the AC verse wide revisions.
    Tier 7 Koro might become a reality.
    If possible can you write some stuff about Kinetic Vision, Knivesmanship and Marksmanship about Class 3-E that I can include in the CRT?
    Hello, can I have your input on this thread?
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    Knowzn
    Welp, the thread was closed, but I don't think I would've involved myself in it either way; I don't count on TR profiles to be accurate on even the most basic information, and its supporters are not the kind of people I'd like to spend my little time here conversing with. (And yes, I know that these are faulty generalizations; sue me.)
    Hey! You and Creaturemaster got Discord?
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    Knowzn
    We do, aye. But that’s about all I can say in his place; if you want his tag, you should ask him.
    Ironinquisitor
    Ironinquisitor
    I could give you my tag, but I'd have to delete the post as soon as you see it and get the Discord tag. Reason being... Let's just say there are weirdos out there I don't want to get ahold of that info if they find out I'm a part of this forum. Know what I mean?
    Knowzn
    Knowzn
    Totally. I'd also advise against doing it. I'll send it to you instead.
    Hello, hi, sorry for constantly bothering you but I don't really find any people on VSBW that are knowledgeable on AC so,
    I have (finally) made a VSBW account and learnt how to do calculations, are there any feats that you believe would need any calcing?
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    No, no, no. It’s quite alright. Always happy to help out.

    Hmm, calcs, huh? Almost any feat would be helpful, even if it did not result in an immediate rating change. Let's see, off the top of my head:

    Things in this thread, this, this, this, Koro’s defense form explosions at chapters 59 and 73, and other feats that are listed in profiles without calcs, for example, would be nice to have calced.
    Hi, I thought I'd consult you on this as I didn't have many other people to go.
    Currently, Kayano's profile has "high hypersonic" reaction speed listed on as her human/without tentacles key for reacting to and dodging the Reaper's attacks.

    .Should this get classified as an outlier? should she get analytical prediction like Nagisa?
    I mean, the initial speed of a holding back Reaper was Maxh 1, so maybe she along with the rest of 3-E can get bumped upto transonic?

    Is this worth CRTing abt?
    Knowzn
    Knowzn
    I mean, isn't it obvious… is so problematic?
    It isn’t? She has explicit reasoning provided by the series itself; the tentacles she had amplified her kinetic vision to the point where she could react to that. There is no outlier, no.
    I mean, Shiro explicitly stated they have an initial starting velocity of mach 2 and I already made a crt here, regarding its validity.
    This site, when feats outweigh statements by some value, uses feats over statements. In this case, there are a maximum of three statements and easily over 10 feats where Koro casually goes even into relativistic levels, no acceleration whatsoever. It is contradictory even in literal, precise numerical values. No one has no obligation to abide by the author's intent if there is no proper reflection of it. Even less when it is contradictory to what happens. Death of the Author.

    I only very quickly glanced over it, but that CRT seems hasty. They sound like stuff that might be explained in a few exchanges if you were to run it by Creaturemaster or me, lol. I currently don’t have the time for it, but will respond to it when I can.
    At best it should be an outlier or at least, mach 2 reactions/so should mach 2 Kayano + 3-E be considered valid?
    Hm, currently, your proposals (?) are:

    We should take those statements as legitimate, meaning that every tentacle life-forms should be transonic/supersonic/whatever initially.

    And that 3-E should scale to Reaper’s Mach 2.

    Am I correct? Considering Reaper is twice as fast as Koro, your proposal makes 3-E twice as fast as an "initial Koro", which is obviously wrong.

    No, they cannot be. Your first proposal would put everyone to peak human ratings.
    As for the calcs in that crt, I'm not an expert at calcs myself but I saw a supersonic feat that doesn't require a calc, that being Isogai dodging Hayami's rifle, which upscales from 503 m/s. Should this even be calced ?
    Probably not. But then again, without a single calc to back it up, it may be seen as a no-no situation, and I’d like to make sure that everything goes without setbacks.
    PartialPriority54
    PartialPriority54
    It isn’t? She has explicit reasoning provided by the series itself; the tentacles she had amplified her kinetic vision to the point where she could react to that. There is no outlier, no.
    Her kinetic vision gave her analytical prediction I'm pretty sure. Here:
    "Kinetic visual acuity is the ability to identify moving objects. The ability to identify objects moving horizontally or vertically is called dynamic visual acuity", it has to do with predicting the trajectory/direction of the moving object i.e. analytical precog.

    Even then, the tentacle serum she took was the same as Koro's, so why would she be twice as fast? Even then, she still got blitzed by Kimura in the war arc before she could fire a bullet at Okano, which clearly shouldn't have happened if she was 80 times faster than him.

    In this case, there are a maximum of three statements and easily over 10 feats where Koro casually goes even into relativistic levels, no acceleration whatsoever.
    Wait what? Were all of the relativistic calcs rejected because of the mach 20 statements by the author?
    Am I correct? Considering Reaper is twice as fast as Koro, your proposal makes 3-E twice as fast as an "initial Koro", which is obviously wrong.
    Alright, fine, I guess this is faulty somewhat, then I'll just remove it from the CRT to merely downgrading Kaede's speed.
    Knowzn
    Knowzn
    Her kinetic vision gave her analytical prediction I'm pretty sure. Here:
    Could be. Not really sure. It’s worth a try.
    Even then, the tentacle serum she took was the same as Koro's, so why would she be twice as fast?
    I mean, Itona also blitzed Koro. Almost all tentacle life-forms differ from each other in more than one category (with the exceptions of Kaede-Itona and Koro-Reaper pairs; even these aren't an automatic "both tentacles both same" card; they're just less strict).

    As for the question, it isn't explicitly explained; it may be that her tenacity was so good that tentacles amped her up to that level. I can think of one or two plausible explanations, but none explain this without speculation.

    In any case, it is what it is.
    Even then, she still got blitzed by Kimura in the war arc before she could fire a bullet at Okano, which clearly shouldn't have happened if she was 80 times faster than him.
    She was up in the air with no way to maneuver, trying to aim at Okano, and Kimura comes directly from behind and shoots her in the back. This is not a blitz, it has nothing to do with perception. Even if it were, that’d be an outlier for Kimura, not an anti-feat for Kaede. We know that she still has that kinetic vision of tentacles, regardless of the Reaper thingy, she'd have a perception speed of at least Mach 20, while Kimura is clearly nowhere near that either.

    btw, one minor thing, calcs are speculative fan things; she is (perception-wise) faster than him, sure, but you can't really say 80 times as if series acknowledges the numbers here.
    Wait what? Were all of the relativistic calcs rejected because of the mach 20 statements by the author?
    Yup. To be fair, Koro has a lot of Mach 20 statements; I've never counted how many there are, but if you include those random Mach 20 fun-facts, it's probably hundreds. Plus, that Mach 20 speed is like the series' trademark, so I don’t think people would be looking at it positively.

    It's not the same as saying, "They initially move at Mach 2," just to ignore and contradict the very same statement (unless it serves for plot convenience, of course).
    I should be able to write something tomorrow or the day after.
    Are we ever planning to bring up mind control and fear manip for Ass Class again? It still feels very blatant and dumb that it wasn't accepted
    Knowzn
    Knowzn
    I mean fear thingy is under aura, and mind thingy is there with social influencing, dunno if you consider this partially but they are on the profiles.
    Creaturemaster971
    Creaturemaster971
    Meh, I guess it doesn't really matter. I personally find fear manip to be more accurate than aura but ymmv.
    Knowzn
    Knowzn
    Well, not really my mileage but yeah. It is what it is.
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