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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

These post will be my refution/reasoning to Shion's accusations relating to the following; Alleged Bias towards the character I stood for, Toxicity to my opposition on San's side, Lying to my oppositions etc.

Before I begin, I want to sincerely apologize if I had deeply offended anyone beyond what I might believe as I don't think I'm the ultimate axiomatic all knowing entity and what might've been "just a statement" for me might've been disrespectful to others. I'm human just as anyone else on the planet and I don't personally know anyone here since we're all wiki buddies nor do I know when others take major offense as everyone's different in their own right.

Part 1: Bias My Opps Showed
As we know, Bias is showing condescending favourness to something without regarding what others might think on the subject.... In the Sans Vs Ryuunosuke debate, my opponents were showing loads of bias to Sans, ignoring what I said regarding my own character which I pointed out numerous times in the debate. Explanations for why;

* Unironically on the topic of bias in the thread, @ShionAH is one of the main perpetrators in the thread who was biased as he was in the thread. He wanted his character to win so bad that he's willing to ignore profile details and the supporter (me) who knows about the opposing verse just so he can get a wincon across. Context & Proof;
Entitled this;
Weaknesses: Shinpei's usage of Haine's Right Eye is limited. If he dies enough times, he will eventually reach a present that he has not rendered yet and thus will experience true death. Shinpei's nature will stop him from wanting to kill others unless he's bloodlusted which is shown when Shide killed Ushio "|" Same as before. Whenever Ryuunosuke fights at levels beyond what's humanly possible, Shinpei's body becomes torn up and injured.
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Bolded point is the weakness they're referring to. Quotations around the | separate the keys which is pretty common across the wiki especially for outdated pages or pages with old edits.... Madara Uchiha's page out of the many has this for example. This means that it ain't strange to have separations and I'm sure Shion has 1000+ wiki edits to know this.

Obviously I responded;
They don't. It says shinpei for a reason. They're two different people but they fight within the same body, it should be removed cuz I didn't put that. + Ive already explained that ryuunosuke is willing to kill those he perceives as enemies
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They're separate keys meaning what applies to Shinpei as a trait wouldn't apply to Ryuunosuke especially for weakness since they're different people. They have Multiple Selves as cherry on top.
Ofc, Shion Ignored this statement. He went on for the rest of the thread quoting and reusing the weakness repeatedly in the thread despite me quoting him repeatedly to correct him and yet he has not responded to me to this day. I've even pointed this out in the thread as Bias yet nobody cares and sends hate towards me. He simply doesn't care even if he's wrong, he'll keep repeating the same things for clarification just so he can win which is a clear situation of bias and ignorance.

* The whole thread had a similar effect. Numerous arguments of mine which were my debunks to their arguments were just ignored or passed off as me "reaching" without explaining why despite me asking "how?", nobody responds [[Reminder I was the only one on Ryuunosuke's side in the thread which means there would be no benefactor to my side, it's me against 7+ other people]] yet the active people in the thread just ignored everything and kept FRA training. @Catbowtie however was the only one who was actively doing anything to respond which I applaud. Bias is shown in the thread due to the San's side ignored and showed sheer ignorance and how those in the thread deliberately misunderstand, assume and ignore the abilities and traits of my characters to validate wincons. One guy deadass said It's pathetic in my opinion. This debate wasn't Me vs San's supporters, It was me vs @Catbowtie respectfully. In the same thread I wrote numerous claims (This is one) as to why my opponents were being biased so I find it hilarious that Shion thinks I'm making baseless claims

Adding everything will result in an extremely long post so I'll split it into parts.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Entitled this;

Bolded point is the weakness they're referring to. Quotations around the | separate the keys which is pretty common across the wiki especially for outdated pages or pages with old edits.... Madara Uchiha's page out of the many has this for example. This means that it ain't strange to have separations and I'm sure Shion has 1000+ wiki edits to know this.
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The second key says "same as before," implying he has the same weaknesses as his first key
 
Part 2: Toxic Fallen
Now for this point..... To be completely honest, Reviewing the thread I won't lie, I was a bit heated from frustration so I apologize. @Catbowtie made a good point near the ending on the thread on my behavior so I apologize for being toxic since I myself can see so and admit it. I'm a human of the 21st century, I know when to admit when I'm wrong 😁.

Note: I wanna state that I didn't have toxic relations to anyone in the thread other than @ShionAH himself. Any argument I've responded to the others even the passerbys voting were simply vote counts. Those I've argued with sometimes had satire in them like this one. I've acknowledged what Sans side had to say and I responded to each and everyone of them to the best of my abilities, I even acknowledged a vote from someone who just agreed with someone else's reasoning despite me asking their personal view. Shion is reaching heavily and overestimating what I've done.

The Toxicness on my end started due to @ShionAH being very dishonest while ignoring the things I have posted which is reasonably frustrating. Imagine making a debunk to your opponent's argument but your opponent keeps purposefully repeating the stuff you argued against without even responding to what u said.... At that point Shion was just flooding the pages with misinformation which part 1 addressed. Absolute Diabolical.

Again I acknowledge that I'm wrong for insulting @ShionAH. I clapped back at ShionAH after he decided to call me "childish" while deliberately ignoring what I said in this post (which wasn't meant to be offensive on my end but an eye-opener for ShionAH to stop the ignorance). Btw he literally confirms that he's ignoring everything I said for being childish which is a rule break in it's own when it comes to Participating in matches & which stretches back to the start of the debate when he dropped by just to be post misinformation..... I find this as crazy work because I did NOT attack him in anyway atp.

@ShionAH boldy claims that I have been toxic. But what about the point where you literally called me Schizophrenic out of nowhere???? I find it hilarious how you're claiming toxicity while doing the most toxic action in that debate.... You're out here diagnosing a person who you don't know with a known mental disorder in a forum that forbids toxic name calling. MODS I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION AS A REPORT SINCE WE'RE ON THAT TOPIC
 
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CloverDragon03 said:
The second key says "same as before," implying he has the same weaknesses as his first key
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It says that as a way to say they're fighting in the same body. Shinpei has his weakness and Ryuunosuke has his. It's split into keys and they're different people but they're under the same body. It was removed recently anyway upon me speaking with mods about it. It isn't supposed to incline with them both having the same weakness
 
I don't even need to write part 3. I don't see who I lied to. Everything I stated was/is on the profile.

Precognition, His Future Attacking stuff was there, His 2-A abilities, Stat Amps etc. His other points relating to the crt and fate hax stuff were addressed in the thread and are obviously incorrect since Fate hax wasn't accepted. Additional Precognition was accepted which Shion himself and the mods agreed to which I find ironic.
 
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Fallen_Angelicx said:
It says that as a way to say they're fighting in the same body. Shinpei has his weakness and Ryuunosuke has his. It's split into keys and they're different people but they're under the same body. It was removed recently anyway upon me speaking with mods about it. It isn't supposed to incline with them both having the same weakness
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"Same as before" objectively does imply having the same weaknesses. If there are certain weaknesses that aren't the same from one key to another, that should be noted. As it stands, it's clear where the confusion on this point in particular came from
 
CloverDragon03 said:
"Same as before" objectively does imply having the same weaknesses. If there are certain weaknesses that aren't the same from one key to another, that should be noted. As it stands, it's clear where the confusion on this point in particular came from
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This point makes sense and I understand their perspective now, despite it being misinformation. It didn't change anything in the course of the discussion however, since it's been argued that Ryuunosuke could just knock Sans out;
And even tho my point here is valid, if u wanna bring up the "its profile thoo" bs then it still doesn't stop ryuunosuke from knocking sans unconscious which he'd easily be able to do.
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Why won't he kill him? What's stopping him from knocking him out too? All this happens before Sans even thinks of speaking because ryuunosuks is pulling his amplification even if it harms him
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These points ofc were ignored by Shion and the others. I'm getting the match removed from the profiles in Versus Match Removal Thread as it's filled with a lot of misconceptions and is just a stomp. @Catbowtie goes indepth on that in his post in the San's vs Ryuunosuke thread.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
This is a log of text to look at, but I would have to strongly suggest avoid multi-posting on the RVR and to give staff time to evaluate. But since Glassman and Spaceman were in the content revision, they could comment on what their stance was one what they accepted.
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I briefly just added the thread since I got the proper votes needed for one specific Hax. But I could ask Glassman for his input again to completely shut down that argument once and for all. Sorry for the Multi Posting tho, I'll do otherwise in the future.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Off topic to above, but this user was reportedly a sock of Mad Dog of Fujiwura; all the more reason to keep her permabanned. And be on the lookout she may attempt more socks in the future.
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What do you mean, it's a sock? I've been in contact with Fuji on discord, and she is equally confused as to why some random account decided to dm her and ask to continue revisions.

Did you even do an IP check? You guys kind of just banned a random user who was just curious about revisions.

What other proof is there besides this person commenting on Fuji's page, I'd like to see it before make such bold claims.
 
Looking deeper into this, the only interaction the Liviticus account has had with the site was changing the description of their page, followed by a comment on Fuji's page, one which she even expresses confusion over.

If your reasoning for assuming it's a sock is their wish to continue, GoW/Touhou revisions, then guess what, other people have already asked such questions, both on and off site.
Once again, I hope you have more concrete reasoning because now you've falsely accused Fuji and banned an innocent and seemingly curious new member.
 
CurrySenpai said:
What do you mean, it's a sock? I've been in contact with Fuji on discord, and she is equally confused as to why some random account decided to dm her and ask to continue revisions.

Did you even do an IP check? You guys kind of just banned a random user who was just curious about revisions.

What other proof is there besides this person commenting on Fuji's page, I'd like to see it before make such bold claims.
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Hmmm, I will assume someone decided to report that account in private as noted in DDM’s wording on the matter.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
reportedly
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That part should been addressed as he was probably informed by someone else regarding that account.

Regardless, I do think it was premature to ban a new user permanently, but outside of that, it is odd a new user does seem to have some knowledge of the Wiki and Forum, but likely out of observations.


Anyway, that is all I have to say regarding this part.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Hmmm, I will assume someone decided to report that account in private as noted in DDM’s wording on the matter.



That part should been addressed as he was probably informed by someone else regarding that account.

Regardless, I do think it was premature to ban a new user permanently, but outside of that, it is odd a new user does seem to have some knowledge of the Wiki and Forum, but likely out of observations.


Anyway, that is all I have to say regarding this part.
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I won't disagree that it is really REALLY sus for this account to comment on Fuji's page first thing, but I think it's important to understand VSBW's reach within the at wide powerscaling community. Many people have talked about the GoW revisions and even planned Touhou ones, and I'm sure talks have reached far outside our bubble (hell I've seen Touhou youtubers who don't even powerscale make videos on it and mention Fuji because of her involvement).

I think it's more likely that this new member was genuinely just a new scaler who knew that Fuji was continuously involved and knowledgeable in both verses and went to her account in hopes to get answers and whatnot.

The tinfoil hat answer is that someone's trying to frame her, but I think it's important to consider this aspect of things before we jump immediately to it being a sock puppet, as banning an innocent new user for interacting with a banned member doesn't sit right with me.
 
CurrySenpai said:
What do you mean, it's a sock? I've been in contact with Fuji on discord, and she is equally confused as to why some random account decided to dm her and ask to continue revisions.

Did you even do an IP check? You guys kind of just banned a random user who was just curious about revisions.

What other proof is there besides this person commenting on Fuji's page, I'd like to see it before make such bold claims.
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Our forum directly registered the @Liviticus account as being a sockpuppet of Fujiwara. 🙏
 
 
XenForo's automatically registers if somebody is a sockpuppet account in multiple ways. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
XenForo's automatically registers if somebody is a sockpuppet account in multiple ways. 🙏
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Well, I believe I've given enough evidence to at least suggest that this isn't a sock. Fuji maintains her innocence in having no clue who this is, but she's stated that even when she was not banned, she used a VPN (something I know that some sock detectors on other forum sites and places can give false positives on).

I'd appreciate it if this could be further looked into, for both users sakes, as this all seems speculative at best.
 
CurrySenpai said:
stated that even when she was not banned, she used a VPN (
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If Fuji is using a VPN is probably what cause the issue as chances are, they could been using the same IP addresses by coincidence or something.

That is what would cause the problem.

Hell, I used a VPN in my native country, but only used to avoid those pesky intrusive ads banners and so on for specific websites I used.

Can Fuji vouch on the whole VPN thing? Just show a screenshot of the VPN Fuji used and that will do.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Well, I believe I've given enough evidence to at least suggest that this isn't a sock. Fuji maintains her innocence in having no clue who this is, but she's stated that even when she was not banned, she used a VPN (something I know that some sock detectors on other forum sites and places can give false positives on).

I'd appreciate it if this could be further looked into, for both users sakes, as this all seems speculative at best.
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No, it isn't speculative. The new account apparently interacted with Fujiwara's account, and our forum strongly registered it as being a sockpuppet. It is an extremely clear case, so please stop interfering here. 🙏
 
Pepsimanslover_69 said:
The fact that the first thing the user did was message Fuji already makes it very suspicious, especially given the subject, if they are using the same VPN, then that kinda is just fumbling the bag.
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A fair point, but I have considered the other possibility that the new User does have a native IP address as they might not necessarily used a VPN as it does depend on the country they live in and all that.

Anyway, time to avoid cluttering up this thread further and let other staff members weigh in with their own thoughts on this matter
 
I mentioned this off-site, but I'll briefly mention it here since it's still on the topic and I know it confused a few people.

Mad Dog of Fujiwara was able to post on her message wall due to the block parameters I set up when I put it down. Specifically, I never ticked the side option that blocks someone from posting on their own message wall.

This was intentional - outside of situations where you'd expect someone to continue using their message wall for rule violations (for example, a troll who might post troll images on their message wall), there's not really any reason to block it. It simply offers a convenient means for someone to make a ban appeal without needing to make a new FANDOM account or needing to rely on off-site correspondence, and it still prevents them from interacting with anything on the wiki.

However, I was alerted off-site in the midst of this situation to the fact that Fujiwara used this to get someone to proxy for her, which is an obvious misuse of this. So I've adjusted the block setting.
 
CurrySenpai said:
Well, I believe I've given enough evidence to at least suggest that this isn't a sock. Fuji maintains her innocence in having no clue who this is, but she's stated that even when she was not banned, she used a VPN (something I know that some sock detectors on other forum sites and places can give false positives on).

I'd appreciate it if this could be further looked into, for both users sakes, as this all seems speculative at best.
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Our system is literally programmed to detect if any pending accounts have the same Email Address and or IP Address as other users on forum; and better yet if they happened to be banned users. In this case, it was confirmed. Also, them interacting with themselves on Message Walls doesn't confirm them being different people; ZaStando has done that plenty of times, as has Sera Ex and VenomElite. In fact, plenty of staff members do something similar offsite and screenshot themselves using multiple Discord accounts and talk to themselves just to prove people can just make use of multiple accounts to pretend to be multiple people.
 
DarkGrath said:
However, I was alerted off-site in the midst of this situation to the fact that Fujiwara used this to get someone to proxy for her, which is an obvious misuse of this. So I've adjusted the block setting.
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Well, personally I do not think it seems harmful if other members are allowed to post Fujiwara's most important remaining God of War revisions, if they improve the reliability of the information in our wiki. 🙏
 
If they're literally parroting Fuji's own words then that's no different than having any banned member try to get around any bans by using someone as a proxy to argue for them, this is the similar thing Weekly did way back during his first ban for some RWBY threads. If they want to make any GoW revisions they can argue their own points instead of just copying everything Fuji does.
 
But Fujiwara seems to have spent a lot of time properly analysing the issue, and the point of our wiki is not to give all characters exaggerated statistics, but to give them accurate statistics. 🙏

The problem was Fujiwara's bad behaviour, not her analysis of this verse.
 
It's one thing to get information for threads and such from her offsite, there's no feasible way to stop that nor should we bother, but it's really another thing to just copy paste her words repeatedly on the site. The revisions in question are largely a breakdown of a large thread she's already posted here 4 months ago as well, so I'm not sure why it's specifically being treated as something that's never been discussed on site.

That is to say, how the remainder is handled is whatever, but it doesn't have to come down to ghost posting for a banned member.
 
I've mentioned before that our rules on proxying are loose and should probably be specified further for cases like these. But that's a topic for another time, not the RVRT. For now, I think it's fine to just say directly copy-pasting from a banned member shouldn't be allowed - since it has the same practical impact as account sharing with that member.
 
Well, I agree about that it seems much better if members who want to post Fujiwara's revisions talk with her offsite to gather information, rather than just directly post her own arguments repeatedly word-by-word. 🙏
 
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