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Following the previous update #1, it is now time for another update to this verse. I would like to thank all the participating onsite and offsite members (Dereck03, Alonik, GreatIskander, Breakdown, Executor_N0, Birgi, and others) who have helped in creating and reviewing this CRT. I am linking this blog here because all evidence, scans, and sources are explained and elaborated fully.
Tl;Dr
Counter Arguments and Rebuttals
I know there are some counter-arguments for the R>F stuff shown in the series, so I have already made them and addressed them in the following:
Information
Information and Data are the most fundamental aspects of the entirety of creation in verse and how everything is formed and described by Information on an Ontological level. Information is devoid of physical form and created from the Imaginative Force. Information is represented by numbers or bits aka 1 & 0. Information defines, describes, and composes literally everything in the verse, including matter, thoughts/ideas, laws/principles, concepts, powers, reality, fiction, space, time, dimensions, and even nothingness/nonexistence/chaos.
Possibilities
Possibilities are the choices and alternatives for any individual, event, or story in the series. Possibilities are born from “Information” (specifically, passively intertwining information in the Real World that generates infinite new information and which repeats itself endlessly). They are infinite in number for every creator/human in the real world as they are thoughts, ideas, fantasies, etc., of humans. These possibilities condense/manifest into entire storyworlds and events and creations of all kinds (via Collective Belief/Audience Approval), allowing the creators/humans in the Real World to “create” anything and everything as they wish into the storyworlds.
Imaginative Force
Imagination/Power of Imagination/Imaginative Force/Power of Creation/Power of Gods is a primordial logic-surpassing force akin to the Collective Unconscious that existed before creation/predated existence. It is the force that created the Real World and using that power, the real world was able to create all of the story worlds. From Imaginative Force, all concepts, ideas, etc., are derived. The Imaginative Force is only accessed by the collective mind of the people of the Real World. This causes the "Audience Acceptance" or "Audience Approval" phenomenon, resulting in the creation and manipulation of the entire Storyworld Multiverse and its aspects, while this phenomenon also impacts the Real World. The Imaginative Force, as hinted by Meteora, follows “Solipsism”, where only the mind is Real and contains all of reality within it while everything, including reality itself, is an illusion/imagination. It exists beyond the Real World in the “Infinite Abyss/Oblivion” and is responsible for creating and setting up the fate of the worlds and everything in them while generating information and manifesting them.
Restorative Power
The Restorative Power is the passive effect of the Laws of the Real World which maintains the “Rationality” of the real world and binds them all under logic, thereby preventing any illogical physics-defying thing/event from occurring to keep the normalcy of the real world. The Restorative Power is responsible for “translating” storyworld inhabitants to look "Real" in the real world instead of pixels, 3D polygons, cartoons, animated, or in any fictional manner. This Restorative Power is also responsible for nullifying the powers of the creations who have arrived in the real world and warping them into regular humans.
Cosmology
To begin with, the cosmology of the verse comprises two different structures. The Real World or Reality and the Storyworlds/Fiction/Fantasy. These two worlds are outright stated to be "Isekais" or Parallel Worlds/Alternate Worlds, with the Storyworlds being clusters of “Manifested Worlds” existing outside the Real World (and not “Inside” as some fictional 2D world) while being independent of each other with their own Causal Systems. This automatically disqualifies it from the Reality Equalization rule of the wiki, as the rules are not applicable here. These two worlds are separated by a “Wall”, which refers to some form of Barrier or Gap. There is also a pocket dimension created by the Creators to trap Altair, which is called The Birdcage. Beyond all of these, lies the Infinite Abyss/Oblivion which will be explained below in its own section.- A single story is a Manifested World and can be an infinite and eternal world. Each story in the Storyworlds is an entire Universe with its own Space and Time and Causality, and since they’re infinite-sized, it’s Solid Low 2-C.
- A single story can contain multiple/different Space-Times, as evident from Blitz’s story, and thus, a single story could be a 2-C and above structure.
- The worlds can have different laws and concepts, causal systems, time period settings, mechanics, etc., as per what the creators/humans in the real world have thought up for them.
- One of the Dimensions created by the Creators is a realm of Nonexistence which is not only infinite in size but also is a Void of Chaos that erases everything, including reason, shadow, form, meaning, etc., making it so that nothing can exist in it. While the creator, Matsubara, created this realm as part of a new Power for Selesia and it was shown in the Birdcage, we can deduce that other creators can also create similar realms of Nonexistence in the Storyworlds.
- Each story continuously branches off/diverges based on possibilities, and since there are stated to be Infinite Possibilities, this would make each of the stories 2-A.
- For each story, there are as many of them in the Storyworlds as the number of copies sold and the different versions/adaptations of the story (Such as movies, games, animes, light novels, mangas, etc.).
- The story worlds follow “Multiverse Theory”, and there are as many stories as there are stars in the Galaxy (even though this may seem like a general statement), and thus, it would make the Storyworlds contain multiple sets of 2-A structures independent from each other.
- All of these worlds are bound by Fate and Narrative Causality (Plot) enforced by the creators/humans in the real world, and thus, the characters are predestined to follow the course of the story as thought up by the creators along with the infinite possibilities entailed to them. Moreover, they do not even realize/recognize that and thus, are unaware of the fact that they are merely created as fantasy/fiction by someone in the Real World.
- The storyworlds also contain Higher Dimensional realms. Frank Belknap Long’s (A Cthulu Mythos writer) “Angled Space”, along with its inhabitants, the “Hounds of Tindalos” & “Doels/Space-Eaters”, are present as part of the storyworlds. Angled Space is described as a realm that exists beyond Time and Transcends Space-Time and Dimensions as per the Secret Archive Data from the Anime. I have an entire section of the blog dedicated to explaining it in details, but yes, it fully follows the Crossover Standards for Cthulu Mythos characters in this wiki, making it a one-sided canon where Hounds of Tindalos is canon to Re:Creators. (There is also WoG confirming that the Original Angled Space is used as the basis for the ones in the anime and is made as part of the storyworlds but either take it with a grain of salt or not, your choice). All in all, this would make the “Angled Space” an at least 6D structure and by extension, the Storyworlds an At least Low 1-C structure.
- So considering the fact that Possibilities present for the Creators can condense/manifest as entire worlds and creators have been able to arbitrarily create lower dimensions as well as higher dimensions, it can be argued that possibilities can also extend up to infinite levels of higher dimensions with the entire storyworlds structure being capable of containing them. In addition, it can also be argued that since the concept of “Angled Space” aka “Higher Dimensions” is formed from possibilities which is a combination of information, therefore a creator can use an extensive combination of information to create even higher dimensions than the existing 6D ones by Frank Belknap Long. Thus making the entire Storyworlds a potentially or possibly transcending hierarchy of at most a High 1-B structure due to being capable of extending higher and accommodating possible higher worlds that could be extended up to Infinity.
- This argument can be elaborated by the fact that a combination of information is what defines creations as I have explained here in this part of the blog. Since there are outright statements of Dimensional Forms (次元的な形態), Dimensions (次元), Space (空間), Time (時), Space-Time (時空), Infinity (無限), Eternity (永遠に), etc., in the verse which has been used to create different worlds and realms, a combination of these information can outright create a High 1-B structure as per the verse mechanics where an Infinite Dimensional Space (無限次元空間) can be represented by the above information combination.
- Moreover, as discussed in the blog, a creation can be defined due to detailing with sufficient information. Such as the Angled Space of the Hounds for example. Thus, with sufficient information combination and description, even a High 1-B structure can be created.
- The Real World is the first World that came into Existence, and it is the “Source” or “Origin” of all the story worlds.
- The Real World is where the creators or humans live and are responsible for creating the stories.
- In the Real World, “Media” is the medium that defines and describes all the storyworlds and this media consists of things like Mangas, Animes, Video Games, Light Novels, Movies, Websites, and so on.
- The Real World is a Structure which is extremely information-dense and leads to the birth of infinite possibilities for the Creators, which results in the creation of worlds. Additionally, even a trivial piece of information in the real world is so complex that a single number cannot represent it.
- Due to the fact that infinite possibilities exist for the creators, which are formed from information, it can thus be surmised that an infinite amount of information is also present in the Real World.
- The information of the Real World constantly intertwines with each other to produce infinite new information, which again leads to the generation of infinite possibilities for the creators.
- On an Ontological level, compared to the Real World, the entirety of the information of the Storyworlds structure is nothing more than a Painting/Drawing/Sketch. I.E. the Real World has a Reality>Fiction transcendence over the entire Storyworlds structure.
- As explained in the blog, even the trivial thoughts of humans in the Real World have enough information to manifest as entire storyworlds, which showcases the fact that entire manifested storyworlds, no matter their size, are nothing more than a random thought of humans in the Real World on a fundamental level aka there is a Qualitative Superiority between the Real World and the Storyworlds despite the latter being actual manifested worlds that extend from Low 1-C to potentially High 1-B.
- Additionally, the Real World is outright stated to be Multi-Layered and Deeper than the Storyworlds, with Several Orders of Magnitude/Incomparable differences between the information in the Storyworlds with that of the Real World. Furthermore, Altair’s plan of destroying all of Creation was rooted in the destruction of the Real World, which will collapse the entire Storyworlds as a side-effect due to the former’s superiority.
- In addition, Real World was responsible for creating “Angled Space” aka a Higher Dimensional space that emanates Space and Time as an imperfect manifestation of itself. All of this makes the Real World a realm that completely trivializes the entire Storyworlds structure, which makes the Real World a 1-A world.
- The Birdcage is an Infinite sized “Narrative Space” made to manifest in the gap between the Real World and the Storyworlds.
- The Birdcage is described as a “fictional city isolated from Reality” and is separated from the Causal System of both the Real World and the Storyworlds. However, it is not literally the size of a “Fictional City” since not only do Meteora’s chants imply that it is an infinite and eternal world, but we also see stars in the sky. In addition, it was created by Meteora who, at that point, had her powers amplified to mess with the laws of the Real World and the laws of the storyworlds.
- The Birdcage is a crossover between different possible branches of stories culminated as a single “Story” sustained by a Concept.
- The Birdcage was developed to capture and contain Altair and is actually an "Alternate Dimension" that is broadcasted and controlled as a Live Anime Show backed up by multiple Creators.
- The Birdcage is strong enough to pin down Altair's range and block her power which she also admits mid-battle.
- This would make the Birdcage Possibly 1-A for completely capturing and trapping Altair.
Oblivion/Infinite Abyss
- The Oblivion is the Primordial Void from where all of Creation emerged with the Real World being the first to come into existence.
- The Oblivion is where everything will return to when they are destroyed/erased completely.
- The Oblivion is implied to be the Infinite Abyss which transcends the Real World and where the Imaginative Force resides (Since Imaginative Force is the force which brought forth the existence of the worlds)
- It is responsible for setting up the fate of all of Creation as well as allowing humans in the Real World to create worlds by generating information that leads to the creation of possibilities and then manifesting them.
- Using this Imaginative Force, the creators created the entire storyworlds and all their concepts.
- The Oblivion is devoid of everything since everything destroyed returns back to it and is also implied to be also devoid of information, thus being unbound by it and being completely unrepresentable in numbers.
- As such, due to predating and transcending all of Creation while being completely devoid of and unbound by information as well as being completely unrepresentable in numbers and containing all of creation as illusion/imagination due to “Solipsism”, The Oblivion/Infinite Abyss and Imaginative Force will be 1-A due to having a Qualitative Superiority over the Real World and Storyworlds.
Tl;Dr
- Storyworlds: At least Low 1-C, potentially/possibly expandable up to High 1-B
- Real World: 1-A
- Birdcage: At least Low 2-C, possibly 1-A
- Oblivion/Infinite Abyss/Imaginative Force: 1-A (1 Layer above Real World)
Counter Arguments and Rebuttals
I know there are some counter-arguments for the R>F stuff shown in the series, so I have already made them and addressed them in the following:
"R>F is not there because the fictional characters could come to the real world as well as the real world people can go to the fictional worlds"
That is not quite true as this is done by the powers involved in the Real World. Fictional characters are not even aware of the existence of the Real World, let alone come to the real world. They don't even know that they are fictional and completely controlled by the people in the real world. Even if they were aware of it and had the means to travel across dimensions/universes, they could not come at all. All instances of fictional characters coming into the Real World are done by either Altair or via something in the Real World, such as Magane's Infinite Deception Power in the Real World manifesting a Hound of Tindalos from Lovecraft's Guide Book.
That is not quite true as this is done by the powers involved in the Real World. Fictional characters are not even aware of the existence of the Real World, let alone come to the real world. They don't even know that they are fictional and completely controlled by the people in the real world. Even if they were aware of it and had the means to travel across dimensions/universes, they could not come at all. All instances of fictional characters coming into the Real World are done by either Altair or via something in the Real World, such as Magane's Infinite Deception Power in the Real World manifesting a Hound of Tindalos from Lovecraft's Guide Book.
"R>F is still not there because the fictional characters could exist in the real world as well as the real world people can exist in the fictional worlds"
Again, that is not true as this is also done by the powers involved in the Real World. It is explained specifically by Meteora that the Real World passively translates the fictional characters from having any fictional characteristics into real-world characteristics. That is why they appear as real people instead of appearing as 3D Polygons, 2D Pixels, etc. As for how the real-world people can exist in the fictional worlds, in the only two instances, we find that whenever the Real World people are transported into the Story World, they and their surroundings get warped. This could be due to either Altair's shenanigans or the translative powers of the Real World. Furthermore, even at the end of the series where the fictional characters had to leave the real world and go back to their worlds, they had to pass through a special gate that would warp them back into their fictional selves while sending them into their respective universes. When Onishi tried to go through the gate accidentally, he was unable to and was sent back. This also showcases that Real World people cannot voluntarily go into Fictional Worlds and neither can anyone go into those worlds using any common interdimensional portals. There are no other cases where fictional characters could exist in the real world as well as the real world people can exist in the fictional worlds on their own.
Again, that is not true as this is also done by the powers involved in the Real World. It is explained specifically by Meteora that the Real World passively translates the fictional characters from having any fictional characteristics into real-world characteristics. That is why they appear as real people instead of appearing as 3D Polygons, 2D Pixels, etc. As for how the real-world people can exist in the fictional worlds, in the only two instances, we find that whenever the Real World people are transported into the Story World, they and their surroundings get warped. This could be due to either Altair's shenanigans or the translative powers of the Real World. Furthermore, even at the end of the series where the fictional characters had to leave the real world and go back to their worlds, they had to pass through a special gate that would warp them back into their fictional selves while sending them into their respective universes. When Onishi tried to go through the gate accidentally, he was unable to and was sent back. This also showcases that Real World people cannot voluntarily go into Fictional Worlds and neither can anyone go into those worlds using any common interdimensional portals. There are no other cases where fictional characters could exist in the real world as well as the real world people can exist in the fictional worlds on their own.
"Altair is also a fictional character, so her moving between the Real World and Storyworlds as well as bringing characters and people between the worlds is a major anti-feat for R>F"
Altair being a "Fictional" character is a common misconception among the masses. While it is true that Altair was a character created by Setsuna, that's just about it. She is a character concept that never materialized as a fictional character in a fictional setting. As I have explained here in great detail, she is simply an idea/concept that does not belong to any universe or story. She herself is the story called "Altair" which is a roundabout way of saying she's an idea/abstraction. The reason why she knows every detail about Setsuna, her relationship with Souta, and her tragic ending is that Altair is formed from the wishes and curses of Setsuna. Hence why Meteora states in the final episode that Altair is an "Alter-Ego" of Setsuna because Altair is the embodiment of the Hopes and Despair of Setsuna and thus knows everything as she has witnessed the world through "Setsuna's eyes and heart". Moreover, Altair is unbound by Causality and exists as an Infinite, Eternal, Infallible, and Immutable existence while her physical body is nothing more than a holographic physical image used to interact with the real world and story worlds. So in short, she's not a "Fictional" character but rather an idea/concept that is formed from the Real World and exists independently of all worlds. This is why she can manifest in both the Real World and the Storyworlds as a physical image and can easily travel between them. As such, this does not create any major anti-feat for R>F.
Altair being a "Fictional" character is a common misconception among the masses. While it is true that Altair was a character created by Setsuna, that's just about it. She is a character concept that never materialized as a fictional character in a fictional setting. As I have explained here in great detail, she is simply an idea/concept that does not belong to any universe or story. She herself is the story called "Altair" which is a roundabout way of saying she's an idea/abstraction. The reason why she knows every detail about Setsuna, her relationship with Souta, and her tragic ending is that Altair is formed from the wishes and curses of Setsuna. Hence why Meteora states in the final episode that Altair is an "Alter-Ego" of Setsuna because Altair is the embodiment of the Hopes and Despair of Setsuna and thus knows everything as she has witnessed the world through "Setsuna's eyes and heart". Moreover, Altair is unbound by Causality and exists as an Infinite, Eternal, Infallible, and Immutable existence while her physical body is nothing more than a holographic physical image used to interact with the real world and story worlds. So in short, she's not a "Fictional" character but rather an idea/concept that is formed from the Real World and exists independently of all worlds. This is why she can manifest in both the Real World and the Storyworlds as a physical image and can easily travel between them. As such, this does not create any major anti-feat for R>F.
