You have to be AT LEAST 16yo to know how to drive, period.
To take a driver's license test. Knowing how to drive is not limited by age.
My mistake.
16 is the average among those ages, yes.
So you're assuming Kris learned how to drive years before he had to?
Lines up with Toriel's lines.
Who says he can't just intuit the process? Or learned from video games, maybe?
Yes, & so is coercing Noelle into murdering someone. Assault with a deadly weapon like a sword is illegal, too.
See above.
I'm iffy on "someday soon" meaning 2 to 3 years, but I feel that I can understand your interpretation.
But Toriel drives him to school. That suggests he DOESN'T drive. Plus, one of her phone calls is her asking if he wants to be picked up, implying Kris has done this recently before, which also implies he can't drive.
Berdly's job is at the library, isn't it? Plus, you don't need to be 16 to volunteer at the library.
Because Kris is not smart in academics or anything like that. They would NOT study or learn how to drive unless they had to.
Headcanon, and... are you serious?
That's not how driving works.
"Kris, press directions to steer"
"You don't need to be able to 16".... huh?
False equivalency, that is a secret route. And I was talking about learning how to drive through practice in the light world.
Light World Laws wouldn't apply to Darkners, first of all.
It doesn't refute the premise. Kris is likely 16.
What's the other interpretation then? You think she'd say "someday soon" if they were a middle schooler?
Like she'll let an adolescent drive her own car. Plus, of course she does, she's their mother.
... No it doesn't? Just suggests either she doesn't trust Kris driving, again, Kris is not smart in-character, or that she simply does so for their comfort. Plus, if we're questioning that, Kris can just god damn walk to school.
... The frick? This just implies Kris doesn't have a car, lmao.
Catti also works at a cafeteria, what the hell, bro?
Source?
Kris has played video games, but I will admit, there is no evidence of him playing driving games.
What more complexities are there that Kris would have to deal with in driving, dare I ask?
Queen doesn't know the SOUL is controlling Kris, & we control Kris almost all the time, even for stuff in the overworld that requires action, like sliding down those slopes. & being told to press directions is clearly instructions.
My apologies for my mistake in speech. I meant to say:
Some groups & families do support learning to drive at ages earlier than 16.
Fair. Encouraging murder might not be IC for Kris.
At what driver's academy? In what course?
You were the one who said:
& the only driving we know of Kris doing is in the Dark World.
Your premise of Kris being 16 is partially based on Kris knowing how to drive. Which isn't true, you can know how to drive, you just need a license for it to not be illegal.
Someday is by definition unspecified.
That's equally as valid as "Like she'd let someone who just got their license drive."; Neither supports him being able to drive.
Yeah, because he probably isn't old enough to drive.
Then how did we pass a driver's license test?
Why would she want him to walk to school? Plus, pretty sure Kris is known to oversleep.
I don't think buying a car before you have a license is that uncommon.
Agreed.
Catti may be older.
Go play the game, that's observable just by looking at their rooms. There was a statement about it, I'll look for it when my argument needs it.
That's still headcanon.
Gears, knowing how to break, hand brake.
You don't say? So we can assume ANY skills Kris demonstrates are purely the player's, and we can NEVER associate anything Kris does to their own character unless they literally rip their SOUL off. Are we going to do that, my guy?
You just repeated yourself.
Oh please, Kris never had a proper friend before we took control. This is a very bold assumption that has no weight or evidence behind it.
Funny thinking how you used this argument when you believe none of Kris' actions can be associated with their character.
Any. It'd be illegal to teach a CHILD through practice.
Which indicates they know how to drive. They have no reason to learn through study, it'd be through practice, which would be illegal on Light World
You're not giving ANY compeling arguments for Kris to know it before they have the need to. You're literally just saying stuff, you're not actually giving me points on that thought to argue, this is non-sense.
The average age to learn how to drive is 17, done.
Oh yeah, that's so in-character... Oh wait, it's not.
"Soon" isn't. Why are you pretending SOON, S-O-O-N isn't present in the line, dude?
We literally see them driving in Chapter 2.
Yeah, because Kris will just materialize a car and drive themselves, right?
because x-y-z isn't a valid argument if you don't provide reasoning for it. She wouldn't trust an adolescent to drive her car, and she has no reason to let them drive in the first place. That's all there is to it.
Oh yeah, you need to be smart to drive a car.
It was an example. Kris doesn't NEED to drive to school, Toriel just does this for comfort, or as you pointed out, because they oversleep. Which wouldn't be condition to drive themselves, would it?
... And? This has nothing to do with the conversation. Kris does NOT have a car, therefore their mom has to pick them up.
What the ****? They're CLASSMATES. You're ASSUMING she is older than the rest of her class, and Kris specifically
Queen knows everyone's info, search results, and likeness. She would NOT let Kris drive if they weren't capable to. Stop.
I'll assume you mean the lack of trophies on Kris's shelves, unlike Asriel's? Or the bookshelf outside where the narrative asks who has time to read?
You think it's headcanon that Kris watched his parents drive while they were driving?
Since you asked, no. I chose not to learn how to drive. A car would be a big investment for me, for one.
Of course I don't think Kris's skills are all the players. I'd appreciate you not misrepresent me or exaggerate my arguments.
OF COURSE I believe Kris is able to drive! But I don't believe that's a 100% indicator of his age, when there are other possible explanations.
My mistake. Apologies for that as well. Stressful debate. I MEANT to say:
Do you call Noelle not a friend of Kris's?
I agree, it might be implausible that Kris's parents might be willing to show him how they drive, or that his school might have a programs encouraging students to learn how to drive before they're old enough to get a license, as some places have done in the real world.
Please do not misrepresent me. I do not think none of Kris's actions can be associated with their character.
You said: "False equivalency, that is a secret route. And I was talking about learning how to drive through practice in the light world."
So you admit the only driving Kris has done in the Dark World? & what do you mean? You're saying Kris has no reason to learn how to drive through study, but denying there were means of them learning? & your basis for them knowing how is their age when there's no driver's academy?
You haven't given any arguments for how they WOULD know how to drive a proper car other than their age, & you're saying they're that age BECAUSE they know how to drive!
"Someday soon you will be going off to university as well..."
That page has no sources, just: "Many people want to start learning to drive as soon as they turn 17 years old"
You have been asserting Kris is 16 (Or 17, as of recently.) because they know how to drive.
So you think there's 0 chance Kris would've figured out how to drive on their own?
My apologies for omitting "soon". But "Someday soon" doesn't sound that much closer. Heck, the context is Kris asking about "Me" to Toriel after Toriel has Susie staying over with Kris & on the same day she's happy he's spending time with a friend. & the line comes after:
What I said was "That's equally as valid as "Like she'd let someone who just got their license drive."; Neither supports him being able to drive."
What I said was:
About this, I agree. Kris probably is 16, based on the typical age ranges for high schoolers.
You said:
Thus implying that you need to be smart or study to be able to drive. & he wouldn't know he was going to need to drive in the Dark World.
So Kris can drive because he's 16, he didn't study it, he didn't learn it, he isn't smart, & he didn't intuit driving.
You assume correctly.
You said:
& you proposed that as a reason against this:
So. like you said, oversleeping isn't a condition to drive themselves, & Toriel drives them for their comfort. (Or because they're not old enough, or don't know, or don't have a license.)
I said that because you said:
Which I said because of:
After all, if he could drive, wouldn't he drive himself? & so, it'd be an unlikely reason for her to guess why Kris is calling.
Different students can have different birthdays.
Kris's skills at driving likely aren't online, especially if they don't have a license, which YOU argued they wouldn't study for!
"Aggressive Attitude" is very interpretative, your threats mean nothing to me.
Either way, I really can't believe we went on a tangent about Kris' age when we ultimately agree on the final result. Kris is probably 16yo, we're on the same page on that right?
I do find you being upset with me unpleasant. It's stressful to see another person upset, especially if I caused it. & yes, I know, it's my position on this debate.
I do agree that it is statistically likely, even if I don't share all of your reasons. Plus, I don't share ALL of your conclusions. Ex:
& if I dare say, you do favor intepreting "someday soon" said in a context of how much someone has grown up as being interpreted as 2 or 3 years, so some part of the premise requires being much more certain about something vague.
Thats Damage Boost no?
Wouldn't that just be Cloth Manipulation?
I forgot about that.
I thinks it's Rage Power
1.7m is also the average Human Height we use, so not really.
I got my number for google also don't you mean meters
Yeah lmao
Source
First gotta go fix my calc since I got feedback (I precalced it and its still Low 7-C but lower) but if things go accordingly, either Low 7-C, likely downscaling to 8-A+
Doesn't mean they're conscious about it though. Did it have any time? If not so, they have never saved by themselves.
