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Chariot190

Chariot190

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  • ZetsuEarly0
    Sorry for the inconvenience, chariot. Is RTZ truly passive? My opinion is that it may change depending on the attack. It is quite difficult to understand this ability ☠️. but will likely counter passives on jojo as it won't be measured by all current stands
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    If you're asking when RTZ takes effect.
    It can be used manually, or if harm would come to Gio/GER. The most straightforward example is when King Crimson when to punch Gio, and RTZ kicked in automatically and stopped it.

    Obviously once an action is made to never happen, it can become automated, such as Diavolo dying over and over again with GER not really needing to do anything.
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hmm, rtz can have a passive effect, so. For example, if it acts from outside the G.E.R., it should not normally be passive, but should be able to exert its influence.
    Valeska24
    Hello Chariot, I have a problem that is on my mind. You know that Valentine was in a barrier that he could reach in infinite universes while using the Love Train. And in the last fight, since Johnny reached Valentine, I think he got 2b range, so I mean, since Valentine's barrier contains infinite universes, do you actually need a minimum range of 2b-2a to reach the president?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not really. Funny, in Love Train, is just within a dimensional gap.

    That gap is infinitely large within, and it DOES lead to infinite universes (half the reason why it's infinite on the inside), but, to enter LT you just need interdimensional range. If Funny ***** off to a different ui you need 2-A to follow him, but just being inside Love Train, you don't need that much.

    Think of LT like a wall that just has a bunch of doors to alt worlds. There might be infinite doors, but if you can get past the wall, you can get in all the same.
    ZetsuEarly0
    Greetings Chariot We apologize for the inconvenience. Can we overcome disaster with infinite rotation? If we exceed this, can you give details? Write when you are available, thank you.
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    that's my album
    Yeah, the raw just says spin as like a general concept. So yeah, spin > calamity.

    The issue though is that Spin usually has a conduit, so even if the spin is immune, the thing it's attached to might not be.
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    Then can we say johnny > tooru?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Act 4's Stand body, the rotation itself, and the holes.
    The nail bullets would get ****** as the nails themselves would be vulnerable to calamity even if the spin imbued within isn't, much in the same S&W's shit was affected by Calamity until it became nothing but spin without a conduit in the form of Go Beyond.
    DMUA
    I noticed that you made a page for Lily from Ender Lilies awhile back, mind if I used the N&AT and other stuff on the rendition I ended up making?
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    DMUA
    DMUA
    Actually the rain feat seems completely fine, it just should be divided among the White Priestesses that were involved

    Admittedly I also don't agree with using bone at all given that it behaves totally elastically when hit with anything not potent enough to destroy it, but the flesh pulverization would be high anyways so, wild
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Eh, the bone is more for the rigid outer part, like the brown/grey, the red bit is the "fleshy" part imo.

    Also the rain feat is more for the final boss, but ig you could divide it for the Priestesses? There's a few other feats worth looking at that could be 9-A or above, but they're a pain in the ass to calc.

    For speed iirc I calced dodging longbow shots with the evade at like subsonic/subsonic+ too but i half assed that one so it should be redone, the sword swings also got subsonic+ from just calcing them as they're shown given they come out in like a frame or two.

    Was thinking maybe they could go up to low mach though given there's a few shockwave attacks that can be dodged in-game, didn't really ge far enough to decide if that's legit or not thou.
    DMUA
    DMUA
    Nah, shockwaves don't really count for Mach speed
    ZetsuEarly0
    Greetings Chariot, I Have Some Questions About Ger's Rtz. First of all, I Can't See Diavolo Erasing Spacetime.

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    Space Is Still Here. Nothing Appears. There are very inadequate arguments, otherwise there is even an anti-feat in the anime. Can you explain this issue to me in detail, I request evidence (Visual and Similar), Thanks.
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I asked if there was RTZ 4D. This debate continued because we disagreed that "everything" was destroyed. As far as I can see, nothing is clear about Diavolo's space-time erasure.
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    The fact it affects time itself is enough to make it 4D, the fact it can nullify any and every ability up to early part 8, also, makes it 4D.
    Love Train, Infinite Rotation, Made In Heaven, etc? All negated by RTZ as per supplementary material. All of which has some degree of 4D potency mostly because gravity in jojo is wacky
    As far as I can see, nothing is clear about Diavolo's space-time erasure.
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    I hope you realize you're talking about it just works the meme this also sounds like an you issue, it's pretty self-evident and even ties directly into how he uses it.
    In short, I say this: Space-Time does not appear to be erased in the Diavolo Anime.
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    No offense but, who gives a **** about the anime? Like actually, the manga takes precedence. Handwaving the fact you're ignoring the blatantly obvious and explicit fact that everything ceases to be, something even the anime shows to be the case half a dozen times.
    Naturally, it is not 4D because it could not achieve the success of 4D.
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    Except it does? He deletes a chunk of the time, everything that existed at those moments cease to exist, even described as having been obliterated.
    Any amount of time at all is a collection of infinite snapshots of infinitesimal fractions of time, and couple that with the fact that ya know, everything in the world no longer exists, except Diavolo, something that directly affects how his ability is utilized as he can't kill people in time skip nor can he be harmed as neither exist till time resumes (A fact that comes up multiple times no less, and is even used both to and against him multiple times).

    And yet here you are, saying that nah, deleting time itself along with everything that exists isn't 4D at all.
    Are you confusing 4D with low 2-C? If that's the case you'd be correct, Time Skip isn't Low 2-C, but it is 4D, it's just 3-A on a 4D scale much like Bites the Dust blowing off an hour of time is 3-A, but also 4D which RTZ also scales above so yeah, that too.
    (Naturally, there is no 4D in RTZ. There is not enough evidence about Diavolo.) The reason why RTZ is 4D is because Diavolo Overrides the 4D Capability. (On this Wiki)
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    My brother in christ, the very fact RTZ restored even a fraction of time itself on a universal scale, makes it 4D on this wiki.
    The fact it also restored literally everything else alongside that is just a bonus. And that's not withstanding merely being able to negate something like Made in Heaven, or ****, even Time Stop, would make it 4D.
    But... it doesn't look like Diavolo's space-time was erased in the scene.
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    What? You're using the anime giving Time-Skip a fancy background to just ignore everything we know about it? A background that isn't even in conveyed in the manga, hell not even the colored manga, which is conveyed as just a blank blue void.
    There is Space in the background, but it does not appear in the anime where Diavolo deletes this Space. That's why Diavolo's ability is not 4D. Not Enough Evidence
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    No offense, but this is just you being somewhat ignorant and then clinging to a cool anime effect as a means to handwave a bunch of crucial facts into how the ability works? The ability straight up wouldn't function if what you're arguing is true. Like what, my dude, do you think everything crumbling away is fake? Do you think Diavolo not being able to touch anything or be touched because nothing exists is just a lie the manga and guides made up? Do you think it's localized to earth despite hard confirmation it's straight up all of time and thus doesn't have a range even though multiple Infinite ranges exist? Do you think every time he uses it t creates an ou-of-sync time discrepency between the universe and his apparently miniscule AOE? All because the anime made Diavolo's ability look cool? And ****, it has nothing to do with not enough evidence, we are explicitly old everything but him ceases to be and they only show it as such what, a half dozen times? which is bad in and of itself, Diavolo in the anime has a bunch of wacky minor tweaks

    This is no different to how the anime gave Time Stop a cool flash effect, or coincidentally, gave RTZ a cool space-like effect to, ironically in that same exact video you linked, even though in no other jojo media, to this day, having anything even remotely resembling such a thing.

    And the worst part is? The manga COULD show space in the background, it wouldn't actually change anything. Diavolo's ability creates images of things, whether that be people, objects, the environment, and so on, likened to holographic images of the past and future actions of what will occur within the deleted timeframe, whether that be Bruno throwing a punch, or something like a pillar. Are these things actually there or are these "images" actually the thing in question? Of course not, but Diavolo can still see the world around him through these images, which is what enables him to relocate himself precisely where he needs to be and adapt to what is happening, which is to say, the manga could show whole goddamn galaxies and it wouldn't mean a thing, his ability creates forecasts of things that don't actually exist.

    I also searched the manga, it's not clear, I can't understand it, I don't understand how it's 4D, nothing is visible.
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    That sounds like a personal issue lad... Except actually, this isn't exactly complicated.
    Diavolo deletes time>Everything crumbles away and vanishes>Only he exists now as stated verbatim>because only he exists he can't kill anyone in time skip nor can he be touched because nothing actually exists at that moment (which is why he has to wait till time resumes to land his attacks and why Aerosmith's attacks phased through him, as he can't exactly kill what isnt there nor can nothing touch him)>his ability explicitly affects the whole world and is classified as meaningless in range because of it, as it affects the whole of time and thus doesn't have a quantifiable range this scan is on the kira profile if you want it

    What's not to get here? You're taking a literal background, predominately from the anime no less (Go and check ASB or any other depiction of time skip, you won't find such a thing), to discredit the mechanics behind how it functions and every piece of info we have regarding it, to say it isn't 4D? Something that would be true regardless of if space is involved simply based on how he's deleting a chunk of the timeline and everything in it. This is legit like some DBZ Hit dimension being filled with actual stars level of shit my dude....
    We can talk about this on discord if you want.
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    If it was anything but King Crimson, Ger, or Star Platinum, sure, but you have no ******* idea how utterly repulsed I am by these *******, like twice a ******* week with these three. I don't want to discuss them let alone ******* argue about them, you can blame Lucid and Walt for that one.
    you also overestimate how much i like arguing about jojo online, i only logged on today because DRW001 asked me to look at a CRT, like man i just wanna finish my funny mask crt
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    I understood very well what you said, but because of my surroundings, a few questions came to my mind, so I wrote them down. Thank you for writing, I am now completely sure about this.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's fine It's just
    **** do I hate King Crimson and GER, why can't it ever be like Purple Haze or some shit...
    RandomGuy2345
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    Seth "Freakin'" Rollins vs The Joker

    This video made me want to do this. Seth Rollins (WWE) vs The Joker (Post-Flashpoint). Speed will be equalized. Fight takes place in Gotham City. 3 meters starting distance for both fighters. Monday Night Messiah: Clown Prince of Crime: Inconclusive:
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    Interested?
    Da3ggman
    Hey Chariot, I've got a question about Enya the Hag. Would she get MFTL attack speed for being to physically keep up with Silver Chariot when attacking Polnareff with scissors?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Other way around, Chariot kept up with her attacking with scissors (which is to say he was just playing defense).
    She's superhumanely fast tho.
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hi chariot bleach have you watched? I'll have a question.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not in ten fucktillion years. Like 2013.
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hmm I see, I was going to ask how GER holds up against Soul Crush. ☠️
    CrackerVolley
    Hey, how's the Baoh profile remake going along? Do you need any help working on it?
    AnAverageUsername
    Mind dropping the skill essay nuke?
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    Jack is sent to kill a child. [4 MORE VOTES]

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Raiden_(Metal_Gear)?so=search#Metal_Gear_Solid_2:_Sons_of_Liberty https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ali_(Ejen_Ali)#Tekno_Magnetic_Suit speed equalized Ali after obtaining the Tekno Magnetic Suit and MGS4 Raiden is used 8-B keys are used Battle takes place...
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    Agnaa
    Moving here since it feels a bit too in-the-weeds
    Chariot190 said:
    This feels like dodging the issue 🗿
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    I don't see why. Human bites measured when the teeth make contact with the stress testing device don't involve anything moving in space, but it does involve forces being exerted on objects that would move them if they weren't counterbalancing that movement with an equal force in the opposite direction. Pushing a block into a wall still involves force (and therefore, acceleration, and therefore, speed), even though the block's not being moved.
    Chariot190 said:
    Exactly. And CGM's have been accepting feats like this for ages, it's you who needs to make a new consensus and overturn what we do. Just because you, personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, as evidenced by the handful of accepted and implemented calcs, by CGM's (obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be accepted) where this is utilized.

    What? This isn't a matter of you rejecting a calc, it's a matter of you rejecting a calc because you "think" we don't do that.
    In which there's no rule on it, and on the contrary, something we do accept.
    As it stands, the formula is accepted, used, and implemented, you must change that as a whole before you can reject it on those grounds.

    Other way around, currently, there's nothing wrong with the calc based on our, as of now, accepted practices and implemented calculations except the area aspect of it, but that'd just make it higher. You'd need to deal with that too btw because the Naruto formula calculates it via area^2, even if it's wrong.
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    I don't like that reasoning. Sometimes calcs have errors. Sometimes people accept calcs that have errors because they don't realise that the errors exist. That doesn't mean that we're validating the errors for use forevermore, and if someone points out that the error exists, and no CGM goes "actually I don't think that's an error", it shouldn't still be able to get added to profiles.

    Or if you wanna keep that logic, go ahead and multiply all destruction calcs by 10x, because I once made a calc that converted to joules incorrectly, leading to a result 10x higher than it should have been, which was accepted by another CGM and implemented onto profiles. While that one was fixed, I wouldn't be surprised if something like it was still lurking out there.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I don't see why. Human bites measured when the teeth make contact with the stress testing device don't involve anything moving in space, but it does involve forces being exerted on objects that would move them if they weren't counterbalancing that movement with an equal force in the opposite direction. Pushing a block into a wall still involves force (and therefore, acceleration, and therefore, speed), even though the block's not being moved.
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    No offense, but that's beyond a reach. There's being slow, and there's being a statue.
    In the cases of bites, I'd say a hydraulic press is more apt, a hydraulic press that's already on contact and not descending. I can't think of a single, not ******* one example in fiction where what you're suggesting would actually be the case. If the creature in question can move its mouth even at a snails pace it wouldn't really matter.

    Hell thinking on it, the fact these things can exist, without every muscle fiber tearing, unbinding, and more already answers this point for such slow, continuous actions.
    I don't like that reasoning. Sometimes calcs have errors. Sometimes people accept calcs that have errors because they don't realise that the errors exist.
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    So? Our entire system is, the whole of it, has numerous issues, we run with those for simplicity do we not?
    The grounds for rejection wasn't based on error, at least not initially, but rather the fact you don't think we do that because it seems slightly at odds with the other rules.

    That isn't good enough, if we did shit like that holy hell. Like just last month KT was saying durability and scaling should only be done based on area, is he wrong? No, he's right, 99% of our profiles, calcs like that and even basic scaling is laughably full of shit, but he still would have had to go through the grounds of getting such a thing accepted as that isn't how the current standards function, you, just like him, need to actually go through that process too.

    That doesn't mean that we're validating the errors for use forevermore, and if someone points out that the error exists, and no CGM goes "actually I don't think that's an error", it shouldn't still be able to get added to profiles.
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    It's up to you to actually prove it's one, shouldn't be used, and so on. That's what you're doing, so that's good, but actually do it first before saying it's completely wrong given it's you who's trying to change precedence.
    Or if you wanna keep that logic, go ahead and multiply all destruction calcs by 10x, because I once made a calc that converted to joules incorrectly, leading to a result 10x higher than it should have been, which was accepted by another CGM and implemented onto profiles. While that one was fixed, I wouldn't be surprised if something like it was still lurking out there.
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    That's a **** up on your end, a better example would be if we multiplied every explosion calc by 10x and have for quite some time. In which yes, you'd need to make a CRT for that too even if it's wrong. Like we have standards, precedence, and rules for good reason lad.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    No offense, but that's beyond a reach. There's being slow, and there's being a statue.
    In the cases of bites, I'd say a hydraulic press is more apt, a hydraulic press that's already on contact and not descending. I can't think of a single, not ***** one example in fiction where what you're suggesting would actually be the case. If the creature in question can move its mouth even at a snails pace it wouldn't really matter.

    Hell thinking on it, the fact these things can exist, without every muscle fiber tearing, unbinding, and more already answers this point for such slow, continuous actions.
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    I don't understand what you mean, force involves mass and acceleration, LS is force, idk what to tell you if you think saying that is a stretch.

    Withstanding a mouth lowering would scale to the mass of the upper half, multiplied by the acceleration that it's coming down with, which for moving at a snail's pace would really matter.

    I don't think this sorta thing's incalculable, I just think the method, as provided, doesn't work, and seems contrary to our standards.
    That isn't good enough, if we did shit like that holy hell. Like just last month KT was saying durability and scaling should only be done based on area, is he wrong? No, he's right, 99% of our profiles, calcs like that and even basic scaling is laughably full of shit, but he still would have had to go through the grounds of getting such a thing accepted as that isn't how the current standards function, you, just like him, need to actually go through that process too.
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    Gonna go off on a tangent here, since we've reached an impasse on the other stuff.

    We already kinda do that. There's the alterations to our explosion standards that happened a while ago, and we had a thread a year ago about making durability scaling more complex, which was applied to our Durability page, such that it no longer allows scaling for just barely surviving, notes that surface area can make scaling invalid, notes that causing someone to cough up blood only scales AP to the strongest similar attack that didn't make that person cough up blood, etc.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I don't understand what you mean, force involves mass and acceleration, LS is force, idk what to tell you if you think saying that is a stretch.
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    Unironically a you issue here.
    Withstanding a mouth lowering would scale to the mass of the upper half, multiplied by the acceleration that it's coming down with, which for moving at a snail's pace would really matter.
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    What? As said, that isn't how bite force is calculated, at all. Nobody is calcing the KE of a bite, but the pressure, which is effectively the tensing and pulling of muscles and ligaments. Whether the fact they do it at the speed of light or at a literal snail's pace, the end result wouldn't change because that simply isn't how bite force of animals is calculated, it's done by pressure from a standstill, biting onto some sort of device. A continuous, applied, strain. The fact you're even wording this as "upscaling" LS also comes off as highly disingenuous, nobody thinks of treats these types of things as LS for the upscaled characters in question, the only reason LS is involved is because a 3rd party just so happens to **** with it, but the same would be true if they ****** with their mass too, which we do.

    Unless you're actually trying to argue that we can't be sure characters can flex proportional to their size (even though the fact they open and close said mouth already shows the muscles function as expected), because that's effectively what you're arguing, but at that point why stop there? How do we know they can even move their arm? What if the muscles and ligaments aren't proportionally strong enough to move it without snapping? What about even just turning their head? Blinking?

    I get being conservative, like speed? Yeah sure, makes sense, the larger a thing is, at least irl, the longer it'd take nerve impulses to cover distance and thus it'd lead to a proportionally lower speed and from there lower KE, that problem doesn't apply to bite force though, not to mention this isn't even far off from shit we even do irl for various large extinct animals.
    I don't think this sorta thing's incalculable, I just think the method, as provided, doesn't work, and seems contrary to our standards.
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    What standards? It definitely isn't the speed or AP nor is it even LS. The fact of the matter is the standards don't actually exist for this, and they're heavily scrutinized standards to begin with that people evidently don't quite agree with so using that as the crux I wouldn't bet on unless you actively get this accepted.

    I don't mind the method being wrong, hell it probably is. But the concept of "proportionally higher bite", I on the other hand back quite vehemently, whether a new method comes about to do it I'm all for, tossing it entirely. Not so much.
    We already kinda do that.
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    There is no "kinda", either you do, or don't.
    There's the alterations to our explosion standards that happened a while ago, and we had a thread a year ago about making durability scaling more complex, which was applied to our Durability page, such that it no longer allows scaling for just barely surviving, notes that surface area can make scaling invalid, notes that causing someone to cough up blood only scales AP to the strongest similar attack that didn't make that person cough up blood, etc.
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    That's basic scaling, not at all what I was talking about.
    Say someone tanks an explosion, 1 ton. Then dude B punches him and breaks a rib, oh wow he scales to 1 ton right? That's how we treat that every time after all. Technically no, Dude A might have walked off an explosion, but that's durability for his whole body, not just a rib. Technically speaking you'd divide the area of Dude B's punch off that of Dude's body, and get the true value off that, but we don't do that, now do we? That's one of many, many, contrivances, approximations, and simplifications we do for the **** of it. Gets even worse when you take into account things like swords too.

    I will say though, why are you arguing this with me? Go deal with your thread, that's all that matters, nothing said here actually matters until that's resolved.
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hi chariot, can you send me the CRT that RTZ accepts as 4D, I couldn't find it, sorry for the inconvenience.
    ZetsuEarly0
    You said that strong people from kakyoin can take size manipulation, can you post any evidence? and how do we do it.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I said anyone with a higher Stand power than Kak can do it.
    That ultimately only results in Dio, Jotaro and Enya and maybe part 4 Kira.

    Enya is JoJonium, it says her strength of will and stand power is comparable to that of stopping time (Aka Jotaro and Dio, who are above Kak in Stand Power and will). Dio and Jotaro speak for themselves, lots of stuff in the later half of Part 3 saying they have the strongest will and stand power (Jtar doing it in a lightnovel with Kak is just a bonus). Kira was just a maybe due to a force of will statement putting him above Jotaro, although only briefly, plus Part 8 Kira has it, but that's a hard maybe.

    There's also Pol, but I can't think of anyone who's confirmed more Stand power than him except Jotaro and Dio. Not even Diavolo was flat-out stated to be above him in pure will or stand energy.

    I would say Bruno, Gio and Mista, based on just the shit they've done, but, no statements actually exist saying they're > Kak/Pol in stand power.

    I should note that being stronger in stats than these dudes doesn't mean you have more "Stand Power", it's more circumstantial and dependent on what the Stand itself is.
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    *Chapstick
    His lips get kinda dry.

    Not to say he isn't gay, like bro's literally been inside Batman so like...
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    CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
    CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
    tbh I am very very attracted to large girls large women. large woman so like. move one gender over and you got my type
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    WWE is like if every character was DIO in a banana hammock but instead of fighting with ghosts they fight half naked instead.
    RandomGuy2345
    RandomGuy2345
    Some of the mfs in WWE don't even have a physique like that lol.

    Jojo mfs are built asf.

    I don't get the fighting half naked part, though.
    RandomGuy2345
    Is ripping a door off its hinges anything worthy?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes, but it won't be Class 50 unless it's some ******* thick hinges, and the metal part itself is getting torn (Like obviously ripping the hinges out of a wooden wall or something won't be worth as much). If it's a standard house door, you shouldn't expect anything beyond Class 1.
    RandomGuy2345
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    Tetsuya1029
    can you tell me what you know about beyonds?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    If you mean the entity from Jorge Joestar.

    Beyond is a "god" that exists in a world above the main cosmology, likened to an author or writer.
    It picks characters and they become "the protagonist", and Beyond will help them and guarantee their end goals, but not inherently instantly. As Beyond manipulates the plot, it's concerned with the narrative flow as any author would be, as such while the end result is assured, the journey to get there might not be so straightforward.

    There exist 3 Beyond, Dio's, Joji's and George's, but in reality, they're all actually the same entity and a trinity (likened to the father, the son, and the holy spirit).

    I mean i could give a whole expodump but I'm not sure exactly what it is you want to know but that's a basic summary of it.
    Agnaa
    Chariot190 said:
    Because it is just a thing.
    There's nothing more to add, many characters across fiction have a supernatural ability or exceptional quality that is just "hit good", there's nothing more to elaborate upon. The power itself is the act of hitting good, and 90% of the time, it has absolutely nothing to do with any of the examples you listed, and if they did then we wouldn't even be having this conversation as we'd just list it as those instead. Fiction is fiction basically, sometimes it just be like it do.

    Whether it be through skill, supernatural ability, or whatever, sometimes it's just a thing, I'm more tackling the supernatural or wacky front of it atm though based on your arguments regarding it exclusively being a skill thing or an ability it's not.
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    I think those cases should just list it as skill. I think that's a fair default assumption. Hopefully you can imagine other times where we do similar things on the site, so we don't have to get in a side-debate about whether an example I come up with is valid or not.
    Chariot190 said:
    I'm not Careless, I'm just taking them at face value and trusting what they said. But I'm assuming his ability extends beyond just weapons and the scene just happened to have it be with a weapon, just like the proposal above extends beyond just weapons. And no, I'm not talking "pick up pebble and hit good", given that's an improvised weapon. I've said enough times now that extends to anything and everything, not just weaponry hence the issue.
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    I don't think it extending to non-combat-applicable things is an issue, if it hits combat applicable things anyway. I don't think that justifies a new page.

    But for the few cases where it is combat applicable but weapon mastery wouldn't apply (spells) I'd want a combat expertise page.
    Chariot190 said:
    Then why bring up the title? You bolded the name, not the content.
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    I didn't bold it, I just ctrl+c ctrl+v'd the first few sentences lol.
    Chariot190 said:
    I think everyone would tbh, but I don't think anyone is willing to start it in light of the potential "to much work" pushback.
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    I think that's silly. It's nigh-zero work to just set up a redirect from weapon mastery/martial arts to the new page.
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I have, but when I think about aiming shit in those, I mainly think of stuff like odor sleuth (which is just enhanced senses), lock on (which is just them focusing to aim better, which would fall under skill), foresight (similar, but maybe info analysis too?), etc. I can't really come up with stuff that can't really be explained.

    ig there is moody, but it's pretty wack to come up with a way that could make sense in a battle situation in general. Given that it also boosts/decreases evasion, while all the other evasion boosters I can think of have much better justification than "idk they have different moods". Especially with all that being separate from speed, I think it's weird to take that ability seriously in a battleboarding context.

    FF7 has pretty much nothing, accuracy is only modified by the weapon (some weapons are easier/harder to aim with, ig), the status effect darkness (okay, if you can't see properly you can't aim as well, seems fair), and luck stat giving lucky dodges/crits that bypass accuracy/evasion (doesn't sound like marksmanship, just supernatural luck).
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    There's a bunch of accuracy aiming moves or stuff in Pokemon, not just those, wasn't even thinking of evasion moves, given that's affecting the opponent, not yourself, like obviously something like Double Team and Sand Attack ain't shit.
    Lock-On I was also excluding because it's inconsistent as shit, it's like literally everything, they change how it works across media all the time, PMD, manga, anime, etc.

    I mean, I didn't even consider Moody, but hey, it is what is, doesn't need to make sense, sometimes it just be like it is.

    he's only played FF7
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    My brother in christ, there's like 20 of them, and like 40 if you go include shit like Tactics, Crystal Shards, and any other number of game :(
    Also for the weapon thing, not exactly, that just comes off as head-canon, in a verse filled with random fucky magic, especially for things like Tifa's gauntlets, Aerith's magic, and so on. Like I could maybe get Vincent, guns can have a slew of things that effect aim or bullet trajectory, but some of them have little to no reason to arbitrarily affect precision.
    what the **** does Sith even use again, I forget
    But case and point, most FF games do in fact have a luck stat, and sometimes they even have hit-up items or whatever, but that's exactly what i mean, it ain't luck because luck is already a thing.
    It's just inexplicable "lmao you hit good".
    FF6 is the goat btw, 7 is good but it ain't beating the king

    it's past 1am now btw, im going to bed
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    he's only played FF7

    Look, I think I played tactics or something for a bit as a kid, and I tried playing FF1 but dropped it.

    What does Sith even use again

    A ******* megaphone.
    CBslayeR
    Question about Jojo speed scaling, Why doesn't enraged Josuke scale to Jotaro? He was fast and strong enough to force Jotaro to use time stop for the first time in forever, and he even tagged him judging by how his hat was hit by Josuke's restoration. It seems like he should just downscale
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    CBslayeR
    CBslayeR
    Honestly just use the anime clip, works well enough. Jolyne might need it too since hers doesn't have the -MFTL part either
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    We want actual statements and hard evidence. The anime clip by itself could just be dismissed as Jotaro being taken off guard, which he was, but other material puts pissed CD up there with him anyway and elaborates on that scene and their comparability. The scene by itself is evidence but not solid.

    Jolyne, well. Cherish that at most brother...
    CBslayeR
    CBslayeR
    Can't believe KC blitzes Part 6 Jotaro...
    Damage3245
    Hey there. I'm giving you permission to comment on the Marksmanship Ability Page Creation thread.
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    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Meh, preferring policing posts afterwards is fair enough, but comes with its own slew of issues.

    Particularly, being away while people derail, needing to handle it later, but not having that be considered a violation of anything. People can always say they thought their unhelpful posts were helpful, and/or that they had to respond, if we only police this sorta thing afterwards. But if we say beforehand "You can't post without permission", people don't really have that sort of plausible deniability.

    Plus, I think that sorta thing lends itself to greater accusations of bias. Hell, I think it more enables staff to be biased. Either selectively enforcing it on purpose, or just not having something meet a conscious level of being deletion-worthy unless it comes from someone you don't like. "Did a staff member say you could comment this" is pretty objective, "Is this post helpful" is less so.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Particularly, being away while people derail
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    Most of your alternatives have the same issue, not everyone is always gonna be available for there to be a bunch of middlemen or OP or whatever.
    Except in this case, it's not "these staff have to be active on a 3rd party site or OP and also have to be available to listen to yu and parrot what you said", but rather they just have to be on the forum and lurking the thread.
    but not having that be considered a violation of anything.
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    Doesn't need to be.
    People can always say they thought their unhelpful posts were helpful,
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    Perhaps, but so what? That already happens, nothing changes.
    and/or that they had to respond
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    Probably did, otherwise why bother?
    But if we say beforehand "You can't post without permission", people don't really have that sort of plausible deniability.
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    What part of "if generally given the ok" was missed here?
    I'm fine with lads needing permission in general, what I have issue with is the "needing permission for every post" given how absolutely asinine, and how much pestering of dudes that leads to, all your alternatives have way too many cons over positives, is overall just a nuisance for everyone involved, and the very fact that you can, in fact, police it afterward and are doing that same thing either way, such a thing requiring less effort than the alternatives as well and always being able to go "yeah ok, you derailing now" or whatever, well tbh idk, I legitimately can't think of any situation beyond the most egregious ones where there's more positives than negatives.
    Plus, I think that sorta thing lends itself to greater accusations of bias.
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    Dude, it is biased, both are. No getting around it, it literally comes down to if a dude with a fancy title says "yeah" or "nope", and you know goddamn well some staff, not gonna point any fingers, absolutely skirt that edge.
    Hell, I think it more enables staff to be biased. Either selectively enforcing it on purpose, or just not having something meet a conscious level of being deletion-worthy unless it comes from someone you don't like.
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    Multiple staff exist, just use common sense here.
    And my dude, that last one already happens.
    "Did a staff member say you could comment this" is pretty objective, "Is this post helpful" is less so.
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    Except "Did a staff member say you can post this", is LITERALLY the same thing with an extra step that ultimately doesn't change the point you just tried to make.
    The staff is only going to say you can post it if they think what you're saying is helpful. Your point here applies either way, either a staff personally thinks it's helpful and says ok post that, or a staff doesn't think it's helpful and tells you to **** off and you're derailing after the fact.
    Either way you go about it, it all comes down to something that could easily be accused of bias from staff so I'm not sure that's the best point you could be making here, it's applicable either way you go about it.

    Also I hope you understand I'm talking under the assumption that were given a general ok from staff in the first place 🗿
    Also again, why are you going on about this? I thought I made it quite clear I think your reasoning isn't sound but it's useless to argue about it.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Also I hope you understand I'm talking under the assumption that were given a general ok from staff in the first place

    Ah okay, I misunderstood. Thought it was mainly about being knowledgeable with the verse and/or having helped work on the thread, with the permission from staff being an additional step you could take or leave.
    DaReaperMan
    So chariot, got any 7-As, high-end 6-As or low-end 5-Bs?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Yes, but they cooking.
    Bloodstained dudes I think are 7-A tho and they need some matches That actually reminds me, I have like two near finished profiles for two Bloodstained dudes I could drop, one even has Imm speed
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Want a shopping list of 7-As to maybe make matches with? Lol
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I don't do matches.
    The only matches I plan on doing are like Baoh post upgrade which is done, I just gotta make a Walken profile so i dont have t double up on CRT's Vs. Batman (Probably Arkham), or Joubin (Beetles only) vs Olimar & Pikmin (This is very epic, trust me).

    If others make matches cool, but I don't cant be given shit for making bad matches if i dont make any at all
    ZetsuEarly0
    Hey chariot hello, I have something on my mind for a long time. You said Return to Zero is 4D on a CRT. Can you explain this to me in detail and by sending a photo? Thank you very much if you have time to reply.
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    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    Thank you very much for writing. It's starting to make sense to me. It would be better if you put the albums and pictures. Is this accepted in VSBW. You can write at a convenient time. Have a nice day.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It is accepted and has been since even before I joined, we just don't rate AP for hax anymore (But that's why he used to be High 3-A, and low 2-C before even that), hence why it was removed, it's not an offensive ability, it's basically just a "no u" type thing that has some fucky levels of potency and AOE.
    I guess I'll dump some imgur albums here when I have time if you want them.
    ZetsuEarly0
    ZetsuEarly0
    I understand, thank you very much, if you can post the albums and photos, if you are available. I've been dealing with jojo for almost 3 years, I still don't understand this issue, thanks for clarifying.
    Gohanblanco217
    Can you show me where Dio (Heaven Ascension) can stop time and by how much ?
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    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I looked at profile, it's mid af, I'm just gonna overhaul it when I have the time instead.
    So make do with this shitty comp i got off yt for the time being
    Gohanblanco217
    Gohanblanco217
    Thanks but I really can't tell if he's teleporting or stop time honestly
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's time stop
    I could explain why, but just open it and turn audio on, way more straightforward than me explaining
    HammerStrikes219
    Thread '“Goddamn it Giorno, I trusted you! **** you and **** your dream!”(Giorno Giovanna vs Isaac Clarke)'
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/godda...dream-giorno-giovanna-vs-isaac-clarke.154613/

    Seems like some clarification is needed for Giorno at least.
    Gohanblanco217
    honestly shouldn't every stand have limited type 4 immortality and resurrection scaling to Jotaro who can do this and this
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    No?
    Jotaro didn't die, he just lost conscious.
    And Joseph did die, but all he did was jump start his heart, and the doctors did the rest with a blood transfusion.

    This type of logic would give a defibrillator res or immortality, or a normal person doing CPR res.
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