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I am saying that it is main and one of the important arguement in the thread and clearly not strawmanning. If the creators statement regarding the canonicity would still be applicable i would have had no issue with the thread itself.
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Removing WOG from Ben 10
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I don't try to be rude or something but if you open "Yap" tabber and try to read scans one by one they are nothing but WoGs
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Dude. I got on here less than 10 minutes ago asking for context. I'd appreciate if we refrained from snide commentary.
Thank you. I was busy looking at the bulk above.
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That wasn't even used in Alien x profile what?
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"If it wasn't in the show, it isn't canon" while quoting if the movies, which themselves not being in the show,are canon or not.
And ofcoysr, I believe", not a statement, an opinion.
Then delete everything about non WoH media from this thread. And since you're not doing this, we'll have to wait.
The rule itself is wrong, it contradicts the show, and I'd merely based on opinions
Théâtre mo rule at all.
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Y’all are overestimating how much it was in Ninjago tbh… it was a lot but not that much and not that badly.
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That isn't actually snide commentary it's a bit of a expectation. You should read the OP before posting, always. You have roughly 48 hours to do so.
There's no situation where you should be attempting to partake in the discussion without actually knowing what OP is doing, and the only way you'd know that is if you read said OP first.
I would point out the irony of taking the opinions of them for dozens of other things but not the opinion that half of said things are just their opinions so refrain to be a bit of an oxymoron but eh.
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Yeah something expected i can't reply to the op because of spoiler thing can he fix that or maybe i have a problem with my phone
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For context, another user asked me for help in calculating this scene from the Reboot. I said sure. After that was done, I just shared it on Twitter and said it was neat. Like, what are you guys on about? I didn't ask anybody anything.
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what word of god ?
there is no word of god used for reboot to begin with at all.
This WOULD'VE been a word of god (rejected again), but like I said before they're simply is no word of god used for reboot power scaling (maybe one ability? other than that it's just description of specie's DNA and elaboration not power scaling)
Yeah, Dwayne and his wife Charlotte They both were the writers of Ben 10 Alien Force Ultimate Alien and the first few episodes of Omniverse as well.
Charlotte also wrote Ben 10 Ultimate alien cosmic destruction video game
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In practically none of them the word "I think so" "I suppose so" "I believe so" exist. Maybe some do, but we try to void those a they're not statements but opinions, some slipped out hands or were accepted before we arived.
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Idk, I genuinely skipped it as I just read Ben Prime's.
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All of the WoG gathered in the "Yap" section of the OP came from the pages, including the Reboot
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Make sure to add my evil way big cosmic storm and weather manipulation scans.
I got those on standby, yep
I'll avoid talking anymore about those in this thread tho, I don't wanna derail
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I wholeheartedly agree, now apply this to every verse please (I’m serious).
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umm a lot of verses are actually already having this same problem but not ‘every’
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i would like to leave the mana part to @Ultimate-Rex1 but them lacking biologicial functions are true Omnitrix/Ultimatrix really wasn't capable of scanning the Ledgerdomain's people or Anodites this was supported in the show
Omnitrix
and why is this getting deleted? the scan about chronosapien time bomb is clear also we don't use that scan for individual history it is coming from Paradox's statement
Kevin
he actually have others powers you can understand by just looking at him Waybig's horn dittos dots and cannonbolt's body
this isn't even releated on some powerscaling question it is releated to the show itself besides Kevin shown a lot of abilities that he seemed to not have on his body like using Goop's power and Water Hazard
Rook Blonko
this is something mentioned in the show as well also Azmuth knowing how to use proto-tool explains it
Professor Paradox
he actually did stop time idk why is this even statement even used you can nuke the scan but not the entire ability
you can nuke the part about Toepick but this is kinda supported so
High Override
i'm not a reboot supporter so i won't tell anything
Eon
Well this has nothing to do with leading question but there is an actual feat
Michael Morningstar
his main thing is absorbing mana so ok
Alien X
that isn't even a power scaling question why is this getting removed? also that part doesn't even matter we have the other scans anyway
the first one is a funny power scaling question but it isn't used for tiering ngl the answer used in the profile is only relevant to law of physics stuff also we have Paradox's statement in the show again
that isn't even a power scaling question? also like Annihilarrgh moment actually supports it
Annihilarrgh
same as above
Gutrot
yeah definetly a leading question but i assume that isn't for power scaling it's more like for his own physiology cuz he is a tank filled with gasses
Cannonbolt
i remember him having some info cards about that
Cannonbolt (Classic)/Gallery
ben10.fandom.com
i wouldn't likely to take Derrick's statements as a valid resource he claimed that his statements are joke and he is not even a writer
Heatblast
it is something supported in the show
Big Chill
the question has nothing to do with Plasma Manipulation or Ice
Swampfire
same as above
Way Big
like this isn't even budge anything at all or not a power scaling question
XLR8
i can't see the scan
Highbreed
again nothing based on power scaling but i'm not sure if this is supported with guidebooks cause i'm pretty sure we don't have any statement about Highbreeds being stronger than Vilgax in physical strength
Rocks
as far as i remember they made a tournament irl and whose drawing wins it would be an actually Ben's alien
Ghostfreak
Zs'Skayr
Wasn't Zs'Skayr stated to be over 200 years old or am i tripping
Humungousaur
ok why did they use that for it Humungausour can actually grow , and his strength is amplified when he is grown
Humungoopsaur
same as above
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Didn't really watch much of the Reboot. Here's for the original show.
Cosmology
Gwen
Them lacking conventional DNA, is an elaboration on why the Omnitrix doesn't have a Anodite Transformation.
Kevin
Rook Blonko
Professor Paradox
Eon
Michael Morningstar
Alien X
Annihilarrgh
Gutrot
Cannonbolt
Gravattack
Heatblast
Big Chill
Swampfire
Way Big
XLR8
Highbreed
Rocks
Ghostfreak
Zs'Skayr
Humungousaur
Humungoopsaur
Cosmology
Supplementary to show and tertiary canon statements.
Gwen
This is more Longevity than immortality. Supplementary to show statements.
Link is broken.
Them lacking conventional DNA, is an elaboration on why the Omnitrix doesn't have a Anodite Transformation.
Kevin
An elaboration. He absorbed the DNA of the entire active playlist at the time. Their features are on Kevin in the show.
An elaboration. He absorbed the DNA of the entire active playlist at the time. Their features are on Kevin in the show.
An elaboration. He absorbed the DNA of the entire active playlist at the time. Their features are on Kevin in the show.
This in an elaboration on the abilities of Osmosians in the show.
Rook Blonko
An elaboration of Rook being the only one with the tool in the show.
Professor Paradox
This is supplementary to when Paradox stopped time in War of the Worlds: Part 1.
This is supplementary to the Madness Resist he already has. Fear Resist is more iffy.
Eon
This is an elaboration on what's in the show.
Michael Morningstar
Michael Morningstar can already absorb mana and life energy. The reason why things look black is that it absorbs and doesn't bounce back light.
Alien X
Supplementary to existing showings.
Performed the same feat as the ANLG for these.
Supplementary to what is shown in the show.
Annihilarrgh
This is based on the in-show statement of the different ANLG Unvierses having different programmed laws.
Gutrot
The WOG expands on the following show statement: "Your innards are a walking chemical laboratory... You have the ability to combine various chemicals and expel them as gas!"
Cannonbolt
Elaborates on how Cannonbolt knows where to go when a ball. Regardless of specific mechanisms, he needs Enhanced Senses for him to work in general.
Gravattack
Supplementary to what is stated in the show about Diamondhead being silicon based.
Heatblast
Supplementary to what happened in the show.
Big Chill
The scan elaborates on what Ult Big Chill shoots in the show.
Swampfire
What's the issue here? This described what happened in the show.
What's the issue here?
Way Big
An elaboration on what happened in the show.
An elaboration on events in the show.
XLR8
Not sure why this scan was used. This is more appropriate.
Highbreed
If they are capable of fighting Humungosaur, saying that some are stronger than Vilgax is just supplementary
Rocks
Had no idea this profile was even made.
Ghostfreak
Supplementary. His species w/o skin is weak to sunlight. They can see in the dark in the show.
Not sure how this scan is relevant to their longevity already described in the show.
Zs'Skayr
Supplementary. His species is weak to sunlight. They can see in the dark in the show.
Not sure how this scan is relevant to their longevity already described in the show.
Humungousaur
Humungousaur is shown to change his size in the show.
Humungoopsaur
Can remove? They stopped animating size changes in Omniverse but is still normally large.
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Yes, but only the thread mod and administrator votes matter.
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isn't this against the rules? i remember Lloydblitzed got reported by Darksoul for this (even tho Lloydblitzed did the mistake for a minute and fixed it immediately)
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No. If general members votes are being counted they shall mention agree disagree both, but it doesn't mean he have to update the vote tally in real time. He is asleep so patience is required.
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REBOOT Only:
Alien X is a pure Celestialsapien, Therefore he is more powerful than Alien V used by Vilgax (Alien V is a transformation used by Vilgax which contains 1/2 Dna of Chimera Sui Generis and 1/2 Dna of a Celestialsapien). Using this transformation has the potential to takeover the universe. This makes him stronger than the likes of High Override, who is a planetary threat. Alien V also was able to terraform the entire Earth into an unknown crystal. This makes Alien X stronger than both High Override and Alien V, along with the magician Hex as well who uses Titan Gauntlets to make himself 100 times more powerful than his base form. Therefore Alien X is stronger than 5.84 Zettatons as he casually defeats several alternate-timeline aliens and scales above 100 times multipliers provided by Titan Gauntlets.
Is used NOT in the scaling at all. Which is funny because it should. The character on the screen said he was going to destroy the Earth. it is written more so to reflect how he is capable of boosting his species and making them far stronger. something which he already did in the show This has nothing to do with the scaling or the attack potency or the durability or the striking stand or anything at all.
Content Revision Thread
it's a space suit. just like administrator fire storm said if something is shown in the show and the creator just explain it a little bit further then it's fine it's just written to tell you the description it does not have literally anything to do with the power scaling.
it's literally just a space armor.
Intelligence: Above Average (A highly skilled fighter, Shock Rock is one of Ben's most powerful aliens in the reboot as his sole purpose is to face cosmic threats and powerful foes from outerspace and he has
Again, has nothing to do with the power scaling because he's literally facing enemies that comes from outer space and are very powerful compared to the average villain of the week.
I guess if you want to be really that nitpicky then remove the link as if it's supposed to make any kind of difference in any thing. the writers of the show saying that a character was introduced to fight enemies from space and somehow something that is breaking the rules of this website That is crazy especially if it doesn't have anything to do with power scaling.
Note: Boosted by High Override Shock Rock form comes from Ben 10 Reboot Season 2 finale titled "Innervasion" where Shock Rock was momentarily mind controlled by his species leader named High Override who invaded the Earth alongside his species fulmini army through a portal whom were also mind controlled by him. After he mind controlled Shock Rock thus changing his color to purple this made him very powerful as he was able to casually defeat Vilgax and has been described by the creators of the show as being capable of destroying the planet itself.
but he said he was going to do that. and it's not even used in the scaling it's just more of an explanation. sure remove it, for then again you're going to have to replace that blue link with the lind of him saying he's going to do the same thing. 3:03. The whole reason why it was added in the first place was to just reiterate what happened in the show it's not like it's being used for power scaling.
That was written to tell how dense be could "theoretically" can go. if it was used in the power scaling then his durability would be in Tier 4, it's not used hence why it's the notes.
Also, since this has to do with the biology of this alien and his species he has never shown any kind of limit whatsoever in the show as far as making himself dense and durable.
Matter Manipulation (Can manipulate different states of matter)
Content Revision Thread
This feat happened "off screen". His attacks has possibly a combination of both. but he never really showed much of it so I guess just remove it. This is the first real thing that I'm seeing that's actually should be removed and even that it was added after CRT.
(surely if you want to be super nitpicky, I can just go ahead and count how many times Kevin transformed into this alien and then paste that over there. (if someone were to make a match of Kevin and someone ask in that particular match what is his favorite go to alien)
like like how we all know classic continuity Ben likes using four arms the most)
All right fine go ahead nuke this, but once again this is in no way shape or form used in the power scaling or the attack potency or durability at all.
Vilgax transformed the entire planet that's why he was given this rating.
and I am also not the one who created this profile.
so even if you go ahead and remove this statement it's not going to make any difference whatsoever.
It was written for better explanation of his abilities and what the writer's intended. This does not affect his profile.
Supergenius (Co-created the Omnitrix with Azmuth and has intimate knowledge on the watch. Created the blueprints for the Antitrix, a similar but inferior device)
Yes, he created the watch. (I just use these two links. if you are someone who is getting a device that is one of the most powerful device in the universe so complex that it is allowing you to transform into thousands of aliens across vast space and galaxy.
Note: Alien V might be far more powerful than listed above as he never reached his full potential and is a part Celestialsapien
Content Revision Thread. Okay remove that he is a part celestial sapien. (again does not change his power scaling one bit).
Was added as a DNA justification.
corrupted the Earth without being half Celdislapsaien I guess.
Remove the blue link (again does not effect the profile at all in any way).
anything that is written in the notes section of the profile is just to elaborate further of what they have already shown.
This evil character that stated that he has "infinite power".
and we don't even know how many DNA he is made up of as is one of the strongest villains in the show.
The statement is not even used in power steering or anything, it's just an elaboration of his infinite power.
Remove this, it does not effect the profile, as it's just how his brain works.
He shoots absorbs lights and energies all the time in his profile. remove it, doesn't make any difference whatsoever.
Content Revision Thread Again just space armor description. Even merchandise card can tell that.
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I would say that the point of this thread is removing WOG that isn't supplementary or elaborates on stuff demonstrated in the show.
This sentiment has already been agreed to in a prior thread. Right now, we are verifying the alleged occurrences on the provided list.
This sentiment has already been agreed to in a prior thread. Right now, we are verifying the alleged occurrences on the provided list.
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OP looks fine to me.
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"Removing WOG that isn't supplementary or elaborates on stuff demonstrated in the show."
This sentiment has already been agreed to in a prior thread. Right now, we are verifying the alleged occurrences on the provided list.
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would you mind to check our replies about ability section please?
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so only Overflow's matter manipulation and Alien V being part Celestialpain.
(And him being celestialspaien or not does not effect the scaling, it was just to explain his species)
(speaking is Strictly of reboot. As I do not cover classic continuity)
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Can someone prove me that Dwayne McDuffie and Charlotte Fullerton being writers of Ben 10 Reboot?
Actually what does Reboot has to do Classic?
en.wikipedia.org
This is a complete different show that has nothing to do with any previous Ben 10 shows/franchising at all, not even in the slightest.
Actually what does Reboot has to do Classic?
Ben 10 (2016 TV series) - Wikipedia
This is a complete different show that has nothing to do with any previous Ben 10 shows/franchising at all, not even in the slightest.
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From what I understood, this thread isn’t about necessarily removing abilities and is only removing the non-series scans. If they have these abilities in the show then the scans would be replaced with that (why do we even use a non-series scan for Humungousaur’s size-changing lol)
Also in Eon’s case I don’t believe it’s even the ability itself being removed, just the statement that his OV soldiers are robots.
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I'm also questioning the same i wonder who applied that scan
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That’s not what I’m referring to, WoG in general is just bad. The Ben 10 writers know this and so do the writers of most other verses.
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Guys I'm gonna be fr, how tf this reach 5 pages while I was sleeping LOL
I'm gonna respond & update votes, so I will ask for patience.
I'm gonna respond & update votes, so I will ask for patience.
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Firestorm's reponse here seems to address majority of said abilities which I partly agree but still need more time to check other abilities.
Since the YAP section removes other scans aside from the WoG statement scans i have to check each profiles to see if the ability still qualifies
So put me on neutral for now
Since the YAP section removes other scans aside from the WoG statement scans i have to check each profiles to see if the ability still qualifies
So put me on neutral for now
