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Kylo Ren on Supremacy with screening ships vs Lord Helmet on Megamaid (Star Wars vs Spaceballs) (5-0-0)

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This is a rather large fleet battle, First Order vs Spaceballs.

First Order fleet's flagship is The Supremacy Mega-class Star Dreadnought. It has all it's crew, troops, characters, screening ships, support ships, starfighters, etc - everything is ready for truly big battle; this even includes smaller Dreadnoughts, Star Destroyers and Superweapons. Lesser ships are also from Disney Continuity. It's commanded by Kylo Ren circa Rise of Skywalker.

Spaceball's flagship is The Megamaid Giant Robot. It has all crew, troops, characters, screening and support ships (assuming it had any), etc - also battle-ready. It's commanded by Lord Helmet.

Battle takes place in whereabouts of planet Druidia, at least 300 kilometers away from planet itself. Starting distance between Supremacy and Megamaid is 26478 meters (2 Supremacy's lengths), with most other First Order ships going behind the Supremacy. Speed is equalized.

Otherwise SBA.

Supremacy's Profile [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Supremacy]
Kylo Ren's Profile [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren#Pre-Rise_of_Skywalker]
Other Star Wars Ships [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars#Technology]
Spaceball 1 [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Spaceball_1]
Lord Helmet [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Helmet]

The First Order/Supremacy/Kylo Ren: 5 (User_A_98732165489, Rex_Eckles, Oiguana2701, TegamiBachi25, Pyro9278)
The Spaceballs/Megamaid/Lord Helmet: 0
Inconclusive: 0
 
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Speed was equalized since, if it wasn't, Supremacy and ISD's would blitz the Megamaid.

Megamaid would effectively be forced to stay as Megamaid - since, if it turns back into Spaceball-1 and gets hit, it's instantly destroyed.

[https://web.archive.org/web/2026010...8665/what-allows-star-wars-ships-to-slow-down] ISDs seemingly can't backpedal, so they would have to turn around to "kite" Megamaid around.

Vacuum doesn't work because there's no atmosphere at hand. If Megamaid goes to Druidia for atmosphere, Supremacy would turn around and move away from Megamaid - flying around and shooting at Megamaid while it can't reach them. Basically, if First Order fleet manages to turn around away from Megamaid at full speed without getting into Megamaid's reach, Megamaid is stomped.

If they get into melee range, Megamaid only has 2 arms to attack with while Supremacy and support ships have tenths of thousands to hundreds of thousands of heavy turbolasers and similar large-scale cannons. As such, if they just attack each-other, it's likely that Megamaid would be destroyed first as Supremacy's fleet does more attacks per second. Smaller ships are also difficult to hit.

So i vote Supremacy. And count it.
 
Also, First Order has advantage in troops and boarding.

Spaceballs are all 10-B, and many crew members are noncombatants; the only threatening one is Lord Helmet with High 6-B. Megamaid has no point defenses, so shuttles with troops or vehicles can rather easily breach it. Nor can Megamaid properly deal with bombers, missile gunboats and similar small-yet-dangerous ships.

In First Order, even Stormtroopers are 10-A with 9-A to 8-C gear, and other troops are even stronger. First Order's strongest guys are 7-B: Kylo Ren, and Snoke (if he's around). And they can send vehicles (e.g. walkers or tanks) onto Megamaid.
 
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User_A_98732165489 said:
First Order fleet's flagship is The Supremacy Mega-class Star Dreadnought. It has all it's crew, troops, characters, screening ships, support ships, starfighters, etc - everything is ready for truly big battle; this even includes smaller Dreadnoughts, Star Destroyers and Superweapons. Lesser ships can be from Disney Continuity and Legends Continuity alike, yet mostly those which were used by Empire's successor states (e.g. The First Order, Pallaeon's Empire, and others). It's commanded by Kylo Ren circa Rise of Skywalker.
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You can't use Legends continuity stuff to mix with canon.

Anyway, couldn't just force precog be used for ship battles anyway, meaning Kylo just takes this entirely? I don't know if Disney Canon has any examples of this since this was more apparent in Legends. Maybe my knowledge is just shitty so idk
 
You can't use Legends continuity stuff to mix with canon.
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Hm, indeed. Star Wars has essentially 2 different canons: "Legends" (OG Extended Universe from George Lucas times) and "Disney Canon" (extended universe after Disney bought Star Wars). Both parallel universes have overlap in "Canon" (George Lucas-time things which are still considered canon in Disney Canon). Both timelines are mostly similar in Imperial Era and everything before that, but by the New Republic Era timelines start to diverge.

Some official sources (e.g. Armada tabletop game) did mix canons, but otherwise both canons are essentially parallel universes for most practical purposes.

Anyway, couldn't just force precog be used for ship battles anyway, meaning Kylo just takes this entirely? I don't know if Disney Canon has any examples of this since this was more apparent in Legends. Maybe my knowledge is just shitty so idk
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Any Force Powers are usable in space fight. E.G. one can telekinetically grab any ship in range (including his own) and move it around the battlefield.
 
Good thing that it doesn't count as "Verse on Verse". Rather, merely fleet-on-ship, and can be added to Supremacy, Kylo, Lord Helmet and Megamaid profiles once it's over.
 
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Another advantage of First Order fleet: most First Order capital ships have prominent command towers. Said tower is vulnerable to direct attacks by strike fighters and bombers. If the command tower is destroyed, the whole ship goes out of control and the ship is usually lost. Except, the turrets and other weapons on ship are controlled from other positions across the ship - so while ship would lose control if tower is destroyed, it would keep firing at every enemy in range until destroyed.

Megamaid also has command tower, in it's head. If it's destroyed, it loses control - and in this case, it's indeed lost, as Megamaid's attacks are controlled from tower.
 
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This is legit to add, since Capital Ships with carried craft (e.g. starfighters) and screening/support ships (e.g. destroyers, corvettes, frigates, etc) count as "teams" for purposes of how many "slots" they fill up. Therefore, 1st slot is filled by Kylo Ren and 2nd slot is filled by Supremacy and smaller supporting ships. Supremacy and Kylo Ren are from same military organization, so that counts as "canonically known for fighting alongside one another frequently and supplement each other's skills in combat".
 
Anyway, couldn't just force precog be used for ship battles anyway, meaning Kylo just takes this entirely? I don't know if Disney Canon has any examples of this since this was more apparent in Legends. Maybe my knowledge is just shitty so idk
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Do i count this as Vote for Kylo?
 
Anyway, couldn't just force precog be used for ship battles anyway, meaning Kylo just takes this entirely? I don't know if Disney Canon has any examples of this since this was more apparent in Legends. Maybe my knowledge is just shitty so idk
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Do i count this as Vote for Kylo?
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After some thought, i count it as vote for Kylo.
 
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