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[Hellbeast1]

If you mean the Star Destroyers one we don't jknow if he even did that one

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Apparently WoG confirmed the feat was legit or something

 

[Hellbeast1]

Oh mad

What would that yeld (Also it'd amp base Palps even if we assume Sheev was stronger in ROS)

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Why?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Because prior to the Dyad he was explicitly weaker then ever and practically dead (You can even see this with his apperance)

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Huh so the 6-B feat is for weak Palpatine?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Wait I'm lost

wich feat do you mean

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

tbh I'm confused too

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Also Matt Martin from the storygroup confirmed that atleast some of the ships had shields at the battle of exogol

meaning 6-B Palpatine is back on the menu if not higher

this I believe

wait is it the same feat as the 6-C one?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Oh I thought you meant at the start where the Destroyers rise

Everyone thought he was ising the Force to levitate them

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

No I meant the 6-C one

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

ah so it's the same feat

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Why are we assuming Sidious is stronger in ROS?
He mentions being restored but that implies being broguth back to his previous level, not being amplified insanely

Luke Skywalker has compared Snoke's power directly to Sidious from ROTJ, and We know Snoke is weaker than even the Palpatine even in the beginning of TROS.

Scaling backwards like this would end up creating far more problems and we will end up with character 6-B Darth vader and Kylo Ren

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

As much as I agree with you that TROS Palpatine did grow stronger, Snoke is definitely not as powerful as Palpatine, even in the prequels.

We might put him as something like "at most 7-A" though, if Lorenzo's revision in the future gets accepted.

 

[ByAsura]

It's a statement in some guide book, one made before episode 9.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Are you talking about Palpatine being stronger or Snoke being superior to Palpatine?

 

[ByAsura]

Snoke being equal to Palpatine. I disagree with using it, though.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I would like to say that the 6-B part is a massive lowball for Sidious which is why I think it's even more Important that we separate the keys. For reference there are 16000 ships




The Following Image is literally hundreds of capital ships in one shot




Just to take down a single one of the Capital ships would be 6-B

 

[ByAsura]

Did Palpatine disable them, or did they come after that? I zoned out for most of the end.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Snoke being equal to Palpatine. I disagree with using it, though.

I would agree to an extent but the fact that it comes from a reliable source Like Luke Skywalker along with tons of supplementary stuff should Indicate someone on a similar spectrum, because the Force isnt like a chakra or Ki system, someone can generally be comparable in pure force power while not being 1:1. anyway TLDR I think Snoke should atleast be 7-A and should be above the Likes of ROTJ Luke

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Did Palpatine disable them, or did they come after that? I zoned out for most of the end.

He disabled them

 

[ByAsura]

I don't think it's reliable because a lot of the sequel trilogy material's continuity and context seems to have been flattened like a nuke by The Rise of Skywalker. I should rephrase what I said though; I don't entirely disagree, I'm just reluctant to use it.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm fine with 6-B. We should probably wait for Lorenzo's revision first before applying it though, since there are some scaling problems.

Snoke being at least 7-A might work, but if so old Luke Skywalker would be at least 7-A too since IIRC they are comparable. It wouldn't scale to any one else, so at least it wouldn't **** up the scaling. I'm still uncertain though.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Luke is superior to Snoke so yeah he would Def scale

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Prob Kylo aswell but I think thats a thread for another time.

old man Luke scaling above Snoke is a Given IMO.

 

[Hellbeast1]

@Shadow

What's the context for comparing him to Sidious? Is it interns of force power or his ability to corrupt or his military and political influence?

Secondly Palpatine is outright on death's door here and can't even move if his own volition. I can see you arguing for Dyad Palpatine but saying the phantom Emperor is stronger is flat out ridiculous (hell Kylo thinks him and Rey can kill him here)

Thirdly this scales to no one but amped Rey, Yoda and potentially Windu

I have no idea why you think Vader and co would be affected

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I'm not sure about that statement, but I believe he means that Vader and co would be affected if Snoke scales to Palpatine.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Even if Snoke scales how do they change

No one actually battles Snoke and Kylo cheapshots the Obviously grail Supreme Leader

 

[Iisdude1]

Well, Rey and Kylo has gotten a lot stronger so mabye it's not too much of a stretch that they should be a little comparable?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Shadow says he has his reasons for Kylo scaling to Snoke, although he didn't say what reasons.

I think Snoke only scales to Old Luke Skywalker, unless someone proves me wrong.

 

[Hellbeast1]

I feel Snoke fits as:

At least High 7-C personally (Drooped Kylo with Force Lightning, seemingly behind the storm that devastated Luke's academy, telekinetically overpowered Rey with ease), likely far higher (states in the visual guide to be equal to Sidious in Force Mastery, Considered by Luke Skywalker to be comparable to the Emperor)

It's a bit messy but I like the compromise

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Lorenzo does plan to make a revision that might upgrade some characters, so I think we should wait for that.

Let's conclude the stuff in the OP first.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Of course

(I might have a scan that can be used for that)

 

[Iisdude1]

What tier are the knights of Ren?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I think Snoke only scales to Old Luke Skywalker, unless someone proves me wrong.

No Snoke Scales above ROTJ Luke not Old Luke.


Unlike Emperor Palpatine before him, Snoke was not a Sith Lord, but his mastery of the Dark Side was equally as impressive--and terrifying. -- The Secrets of the Jedi 2019


However Context needs to be added, Luke has never seen the full extent of Palpatine's powers unless we start arguing that Return of the Jedi Luke=Palpatine, Luke can only use the standard in which he has engadged Palpatine with, which was strong enough to not only hurt him but eventually Kill Vader which would be 7-A.

Old Man Luke on the otherhand Scales Above Snoke.

in TLJ Novelization it's constantly repeated how Scared Snoke is of Luke, Hell the moment he hears Luke Might return he rushes his plan and urges Hux to use Starkiller base to take out the Republic and when he rips out Rey's memories to find Luke's location, he chooses to rather bombard the island from his ship than engage Luke in a Battle.


Scaling would be Old Man Luke >Snoke>ROTJ Luke

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

What tier are the knights of Ren?

prob like 9-A

 

[ByAsura]

@Shadow He also planned to bombard the entire system, just in case, which would take days IIRC.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I take back what I said about the Knights of Ren they are Force Sensitive and they force push Kylo in their fight, it was just hard for me to remember because of the dark and flickering lights, so Im not sure what tier they would be

 

[Hellbeast1]

Could we at least scale them above what lower tier Knights have?

I also remember their leader, Ren could battle for a while with Luke

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I think something comparable to Ezra MAYBE

Luke described them being strong in the force but blunt, so essentially not refined.