DCEU General Discussion Thread

[sageof8paths]

In SC, it’s planetary (or whatever atomising the Earth is). Not sure those scans are enough to scale Barry to it though. It also talks about breaking through the Unity’s defenses to upload Victor into it, defenses which aren’t necessarily = the Unity’s AP.

Here’s why it does.

Barry is generating enough energy to break through its defences. For the unity to function, it has to be able to tank its own forces. Barry being able to overload it with blatant energy/force, no hax has to be somewhat relative to it.

Further proof of them scaling to it is when superman splits them in the Snyder cut desaad says he destroyed it and they lose they’re shiny look and appear almost rusted.

Also narratively consistent seeing as they literally fear superman.

In the knightmare vision we see what it’s capable of, can this be calced? Has a time frame n everything.

 

[sageof8paths]

In the doctor fate black Adam comic, we see a vision in which the moon is destroyed.

I’m gonna check that out rn

 

[sageof8paths]

In the doctor fate black Adam comic, we see a vision in which the moon is destroyed.

U talm bout dis?

It’s blue energy so it seems like black Adam did it. Could it be sabbac though?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Here’s why it does.

Barry is generating enough energy to break through its defences. For the unity to function, it has to be able to tank its own forces. Barry being able to overload it with blatant energy/force, no hax has to be somewhat relative to it.

Further proof of them scaling to it is when superman splits them in the Snyder cut desaad says he destroyed it and they lose they’re shiny look and appear almost rusted.

Also narratively consistent seeing as they literally fear superman.

In the knightmare vision we see what it’s capable of, can this be calced? Has a time frame n everything.

This is wrong on several accounts.

• Barry’s energy doesn’t destroy the Mother Boxes. The reason this matters is below.
• The Unity doesn’t need to tank its own output at all. It’s a change machine that targets specific things according to what it it commanded to do. Victor turns on a Box and has it resurrect Supes, Silas turned it on and had it build Victor a new body, Stepp and Darkseid turned them on to terraform planets. What we see isn’t a simple explosion with the Boxes at ground zero, it’s the Unity specifically shredding down the atoms of the planet it’s on along with everything there to remake it into something else.
• Supes “destroyed” the Unity by splitting them apart and the Boxes simply shut down. If the Unity’s defenses scaled to its output, Supes wouldn’t have been reduced to atoms by said output before Barry hard carried at the end.

Your scaling rn goes as follows Unity output = Unity defenses < Superman < Unity output. Same thing applies for Barry as when he provided an even larger charge to break the defenses than he originally intended, neither Victor, the Mother Boxes or the Unity were damaged at all. The defenses being spoken about are not the Boxes’ dura.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

U talm bout dis?

It’s blue energy so it seems like black Adam did it. Could it be sabbac though?

Yea, and it doesn’t really matter which one it is because all top tiers would scale.

 

[sageof8paths]

Here’s why I disagree

1. I don’t need to kill you or destroy u to scale to you.
2. Unless I’m missing something, nothing you said here leads to why it shouldn’t scale to its own output.

Yes I agree the mother boxes rearrange matter at the will of its hosts. However it still requires energy to do so and we literally see a wave of energy that releases that atomizes the planet emerging from it meaning it would have to be able to tank such forces to work at all.

Again I could be missing the point of what u said but from what I’m understanding nothing there explains why it shouldn’t scale to its output.

The wiki also has its durability equal to its ap so again, idk where you’re going with this.

3. I literally explained above why they didn’t just “shot down” there was physical damage done to the boxes, I’ll show some before and after images to compare.

And even if he did, he would still need to scale to it as like I said bf, it has no problem with its own output but it’s getting ****** by other characters.

4. Like we both agree above, the boxes can re-arrange matter the will of its masters on an atomic level. It’s literally dura negging him.

It shredding superman only means he doesn’t have resistance to atomic dura-neg. Steppenwolf being its master would be able to specifically command it to do such. I guarantee you he did not die in that explosion.

No my current scale it’s unity defenses≈unity output (has dura negging capabilities)<superman (no resistance to dura neg)

It’s like how onoki from Naruto can kill much stronger characters than himself by using his atomic style.
Yeah, cyborg being fine is the point, he’s able to tank forces that can break the unities defences. Again flash is using blatant energy to do this, no hax, nothing. Just force.

For u to say the boxes weren’t visibly shown to be damaged is like saying neither superman or zod weren’t damaged in their fight (neck snap aside) because there were no physical injuries when we know this isn’t the case.

Even if the defences would have to scale to some sort of they literally wouldn’t function at all. Why would small country level force be able to weaken in any way something can is fine producing and dealing with borderline planet level forces. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[sageof8paths]

Snyderverse Motherbox calc

The multi continental motherbox stuff is a lowball and doesn’t even meet the interpretation for what it actually does at least in the snyderverse. Here’s the feat: The Motherbox was seen converting the Earth in 8 seconds. If we say it was just re-arranging the matter of the crust of the...

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[Ozcantabak]

Can any of you give your thoughts on theese, can they be used ?

Spoiler: Doomsday

At least Multi-Continent Level, likely Planet level (Should be stronger than General Zod, being created from his body expanded to extreme physical abilities. Started out as strong as a weakened Superman and kept getting stronger through its absorption powers. Overpowered Wonder Woman and Superman. Stated by Snyder that he was going to charge up an explosion and destroy the world before he was killed. Stated to be comparable to Uxas and Steppenwolf.)

Spoiler: Enchantress (Full power key)

Multi-Continent level with magic (Created a massive storm. With her mystical superweapon, which was powered by her, claimed that she would "Cover the world in darkness, grinding their cities and mountains into dust, wiping them out and destroying the entire world".)

Spoiler: Darkseid+Uxas (new key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Was feared in every universe. Snyder stated; he was comparable to Steppenwolf and Doomsday, he was a young world destroyer, only the old gods could stand up against him making him superior to Enchantress.), higher with his staff. | At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stated to be; one of the most powerfull beings in the multiverse, the king daddy of the universe and its greatest villian. Heavily feared by Steppenwolf, who would not dare challenge him despite having grown tired from being subservient, and effortlessly broke his horn underfoot. Easily killed Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the Knightmare timeline. Should be comparable to Superman)

Spoiler: Aquaman (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Cyborg, stabbed him with his Quindent after his armour was destroyed)

Spoiler: Flash (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level (While inferior, he has shown to be somewhat comparable to other members of the Justice League. Accidentally knocked out Aquaman by running into him), likely Planet level (Generated enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses). Can ignore durability by Phasing

Spoiler: Cyborg (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stunned Superman with a plasmablast. Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Slightly contributed to destroying the Mother Boxes), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) (Tanked enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses)

Spoiler: Ares (SnyderVerse key, only added a link)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Overpowered and drew blood from Uxas, nearly killing him and forcing him to retreat in the process. Broke through Uxas' Staff which survived a lightning bolt from Zeus)

Spoiler: Zeus (SnyderVerse key, only added links)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Harmed Uxas with a lightning bolt. Comparable to his son Ares, who drew blood from Uxas in battle. Separated the Mother Boxes)

Spoiler: Steppenwolf (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Vastly stronger than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg. Stated to be superior to Doomsday and comparable to Uxas), higher with Electro-Axe

Spoiler: Justice League

Ap: Wall level (Batman is able to smash through wooden floors and walls, as well as hold his own against Parademons) to at least Multi-Continent level (Superman was able to one-shot the World Engine while weakened) | Wall level to at least Multi-Continent level (The team is just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), likely Planet level (Superman was able to destroy the Mother Boxes as stated by DeSaad, leaving them visibly damaged), higher with Technology Manipulation (Cyborg has control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) Lifting: Superhuman (Batman ripped apart Firefly's metallic wings with his bare hands) to Class T, possibly Class Z (Superman is superior to Karathen and possibly shifted a tectonic plate) | Superhuman to Class G, possibly Class Z (Superman can crush diamonds and possibly shifted a tectonic plate)

Edit: I will also be adding at least to other high 6A characters

 

[sageof8paths]

Can any of you give your thoughts on theese, can they be used ?

Spoiler: Doomsday

At least Multi-Continent Level (Should be stronger than General Zod, being created from his body expanded to extreme physical abilities. Started out as strong as a weakened Superman and kept getting stronger through its absorption powers. Overpowered Wonder Woman and Superman. Stated by Snyder that he was going to charge up an explosion and destroy the world before he was killed. Stated to be comparable to Uxas and Steppenwolf.)

Spoiler: Enchantress (Full power key)

Multi-Continent level with magic (Created a massive storm. With her mystical superweapon, which was powered by her, claimed that she would "Cover the world in darkness, grinding their cities and mountains into dust, wiping them out and destroying the entire world".)

Spoiler: Darkseid

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stated to be comparable to Steppenwolf and Doomsday, Snyder stated only the old gods could stand up against him, making him superior to Enchantress as Uxas, and has since grown stronger. Stated to be the king daddy of the universe. Heavily feared by Steppenwolf, who would not dare challenge him despite having grown tired from being subservient, and effortlessly broke his horn underfoot. Easily killed Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the Knightmare timeline. Should be comparable to Superman), higher with his Staff

Spoiler: Aquaman (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Cyborg, stabbed him with his Quindent after his armour was destroyed)

Spoiler: Flash (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level (While inferior, he has shown to be somewhat comparable to other members of the Justice League. Accidentally knocked out Aquaman by running into him), likely Planet level (Generated enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses). Can ignore durability by Phasing

Spoiler: Cyborg (SnyderVerse key)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Stunned Superman with a plasmablast. Fought Steppenwolf alongside Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Slightly contributed to destroying the Mother Boxes), higher with Technology Manipulation (Stated as having control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) (Tanked enough force to break the Mother Boxes' defenses)

Spoiler: Ares (SnyderVerse key, only added a link)

t least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Overpowered and drew blood from Uxas, nearly killing him and forcing him to retreat in the process. Broke through Uxas' Staff which survived a lightning bolt from Zeus)

Spoiler: Zeus (SnyderVerse key, only added links)

At least Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Harmed Uxas with a lightning bolt. Comparable to his son Ares, who drew blood from Uxas in battle. Separated the Mother Boxes)

Spoiler: Steppenwolf (SnyderVerse key)

Multi-Continent level, likely Planet level (Vastly stronger than Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg. Stated to be superior to Doomsday and comparable to Uxas), higher with Electro-Axe

Spoiler: Justice League

Ap: Wall level (Batman is able to smash through wooden floors and walls, as well as hold his own against Parademons) to at least Multi-Continent level (Superman was able to one-shot the World Engine while weakened) | Wall level to at least Multi-Continent level (The team is just as powerful as in the theatrical cut), likely Planet level (Superman was able to destroy the Mother Boxes as stated by DeSaad, leaving them visibly damaged), higher with Technology Manipulation (Cyborg has control over all of Earth's weaponry and nuclear codes) Lifting: Superhuman (Batman ripped apart Firefly's metallic wings with his bare hands) to Class T, possibly Class Z (Superman is superior to Karathen and possibly shifted a tectonic plate) | Superhuman to Class G, possibly Class Z (Superman can crush diamonds and possibly shifted a tectonic plate)

this thread is dead, doubt you’ll get any replies so i personally would just apply the changes.

the only thing is doomsday should get a likely planet level as well as he’s still above the likes of wonder woman.

 

[Ozcantabak]

this thread is dead, doubt you’ll get any replies so i personally would just apply the changes.

the only thing is doomsday should get a likely planet level as well as he’s still above the likes of wonder woman.

I was advised by Antvasima to ask this here to see if the scailing was correct.

Okay i will be adding that.

 

[Hellbeast]

I’d note Ares should likely get a mention that he “nearly killed” Uxas and, alongside the other New Gods, was the only opponent who had a chance of standing against the New God.

Darkseid I think should get a key for Uxas (stated as comparable to Doomsday and a world destroyer in his own right by Zack Snyder (maybe something about him being rivalled only by the OG’s) + Diana’s statement a young Darkseid was feared in every universe. This helps with not making his AP so bloated and helps avoid misunderstandings of his power. I’d also note he did similar damage as Superman did to Steppenwolf’s skull but that’s speculative.

I’d also note that Darkseid has statements of being among the mightiest in the Multiverse which helps support his growth.

I’d also specifically note that Diana specifically doubted ever encountering a being as strong as Steppenwolf (implying he’s above Doomsday and arguably only rivalled by Superman)

Everything else looks good but I have my own planned revisions

 

[sageof8paths]

was the only opponent who had a chance of standing against the New God.

this part isn’t true at all. the green lantern knocked him back. Atlans trident blast knocked him back. Artermis’ arrow pierced him, he stalemated zeus’ mother box splitting lightning bolt.

Ares was not the only God who scaled to Uxas.

Darkseid I think should get a key for Uxas (stated as comparable to Doomsday and a world destroyer in his own right by Zack Snyder (maybe something about him being rivalled only by the OG’s) + Diana’s statement a young Darkseid was feared in every universe. This helps with not making his AP so bloated and helps avoid misunderstandings of his power. I’d also note he did similar damage as Superman did to Steppenwolf’s skull but that’s speculative.

he’s also stated to ultimate/strongest big bad

I’d also note that Darkseid has statements of being among the mightiest in the Multiverse which helps support his growth.

fr? i haven’t seen this statement where?

I’d also specifically note that Diana specifically doubted ever encountering a being as strong as Steppenwolf (implying he’s above Doomsday and arguably only rivalled by Superman)

yeah steppenwolf and above is stronger than doomsday

Everything else looks good but I have my own planned revisions

i have some issues with the current speed calc that can get the verse to rel+ if u interested

 

[Ozcantabak]

I added the uxas/darkseid statements hellbast was talking about check my massege above

 

[Hellbeast]

this part isn’t true at all. the green lantern knocked him back. Atlans trident blast knocked him back. Artermis’ arrow pierced him, he stalemated zeus’ mother box splitting lightning

1) Snyder specifically stated only the Old Gods could stand against Uxas, not just Ares

2) compare the showings, Ares nearly killed Uxas, Zeus had him struggling to block his lightning and Artemis pierced his skin.

Meanwhile Atlan’s shockwave attack barely shifted his footing and Yalan-Gur’s energy attacks barely damaged an off-guard Uxas before he got executed.

The Old Gods are clearly > the other fighters here to some degree

Ares was not the only God who scaled to Uxas.

Never said he was?

he’s also stated to ultimate/strongest big bad

Yeah he’s got two or three for those

fr? i haven’t seen this statement where?

There’s technically
1) Uxas is stated as a a name “feared in every universe” by Diana in the History Lesson

2) the Prime1Studios description of his statues claims a a prime Darkseid is one of the most powerful beings in the DC Multiverse

That second one might be weird but it’s supported by the films and we already use the Macfarlane statement for Doctor Fate to place him > the Old Gods

yeah steppenwolf and above is stronger than doomsday

Yep, which wildly implies Steppenwolf is somewhat stronger then Uxas

i have some issues with the current speed calc that can get the verse to rel+ if u interested

Hmm do tell

 

[sageof8paths]

1) Snyder specifically stated only the Old Gods could stand against Uxas, not just Ares

2) compare the showings, Ares nearly killed Uxas, Zeus had him struggling to block his lightning and Artemis pierced his skin.

Meanwhile Atlan’s shockwave attack barely shifted his footing and Yalan-Gur’s energy attacks barely damaged an off-guard Uxas before he got executed.

The Old Gods are clearly > the other fighters here to some degree

yeah i agree

Never said he was?

u literally said ares was the only opponent who could stand up to the New God, that’s where i disagreed.

Yeah he’s got two or three for those

There’s technically
1) Uxas is stated as a a name “feared in every universe” by Diana in the History Lesson

yeah ik this one

2) the Prime1Studios description of his statues claims a a prime Darkseid is one of the most powerful beings in the DC Multiverse

Snyderverse darkseid or jusy darkseid in general i’ve never seen this before. is there a link?

That second one might be weird but it’s supported by the films and we already use the Macfarlane statement for Doctor Fate to place him > the Old Gods

what statement?

Yep, which wildly implies Steppenwolf is somewhat stronger then Uxas

no this isn’t true. snyder said they’re all comparable. diana saying she’s never seen a being this strong isn’t a steppenwold>uxas statement because the ares she fought was a washed ares. he wasn’t close to the full power he was at when he fought uxas.

zeus and superman display similar levels of difficulty splitting the unity and you can argue which ones stronger but steppewolf was getting fodderized by superman even with the glowing eyes implying he was amped by the boxes. while uxas scan stalemate zeus.

Hmm do tell

so basically the calc assumes diana does the blocking pose at the same time the laser beam as it hits her but she actually reaches her blocking pose far earlier, before the beam actually reaches if u look at the frames.

some rough calculations shows the current timeframe for the calc is like 2-3 times longer than it should be

 

[Ozcantabak]

Snyderverse darkseid or jusy darkseid in general i’ve never seen this before. is there a link?

I think its talking about snyderverse darkseid

what statement?

This

 

[sageof8paths]

I think its talking about snyderverse darkseid

does it have any real authority over canon though? even if we gave it the benefit of the doubt where does “one of the strongest in the multiverse” even scale? it’s still very vague when it comes to putting an actual rating on it.

This

incredibly vague imo. just because he has power that surpasses the gods doesn’t mean he’s stronger than literally EVERY GOD. especially since the toy isn’t referring to his prime state but rather his current state which was shown to be weaker than the egyptian pantheon (black adam) and the demonic pantheon (sabbac) which are confirmed to be weaker than the Old Gods if we take snyders statement about only them being uxas level

 

[Hellbeast]

u literally said ares was the only opponent who could stand up to the New God, that’s where i disagreed.

A mistype, I do think he’s the strongest of the OG’s though

yeah ik this one

Snyderverse darkseid or jusy darkseid in general i’ve never seen this before. is there a link?

SnyderVerse Darkseid.

It’s vague but it does help us with the idea Darkseid is far stronger then the likes of Diana and the League sans Superman or Black Adam

what statement?

The one that Fate has powers “beyond the Gods”, it’s in his page iirc.

no this isn’t true. snyder said they’re all comparable. diana saying she’s never seen a being this strong isn’t a steppenwold>uxas statement because the ares she fought was a washed ares. he wasn’t close to the full power he was at when he fought uxas.

Eh they’re comparable but Steppenwolf is certainly somewhat stronger

And it’s not Ares < Steppenwolf I’m using, it’s Diana thinking Steppenwolf is > Doomsday who we know is = Uxas

zeus and superman display similar levels of difficulty splitting the unity and you can argue which ones stronger but steppewolf was getting fodderized by superman even with the glowing eyes implying he was amped by the boxes. while uxas scan stalemate zeus.

Idk about stalemate, he’s clearly screaming with exertion using his spear to stop the blast. Plus Ares nearly killed Uxas and Zeus could battle him with aid, helping this scale

so basically the calc assumes diana does the blocking pose at the same time the laser beam as it hits her but she actually reaches her blocking pose far earlier, before the beam actually reaches if u look at the frames.

Hmm I see

some rough calculations shows the current timeframe for the calc is like 2-3 times longer than it should be

So you’re saying it should be better or worse?

 

[sageof8paths]

A mistype, I do think he’s the strongest of the OG’s though

debatable between him and zeus but i can definitely see him being the strongest.

SnyderVerse Darkseid.

It’s vague but it does help us with the idea Darkseid is far stronger then the likes of Diana and the League sans Superman or Black Adam

based on the story boards, darkseid is not stronger than superman when he’s pissed off

The one that Fate has powers “beyond the Gods”, it’s in his page iirc.

Eh they’re comparable but Steppenwolf is certainly somewhat stronger

And it’s not Ares < Steppenwolf I’m using, it’s Diana thinking Steppenwolf is > Doomsday who we know is = Uxas

bro the statement snyder made was rhat steppenwolf, doomsday and uxas are all comparable. just because steppe wolf is stronger than doomsday doesn’t mean he’s stronger than uxas. steppy’s best feat is mid diffing wonder woman and aquaman, while uxas stalemated zeus. that zeus lightning bolt would send steppy flying the same way diana’s blasts did.

Idk about stalemate, he’s clearly screaming with exertion using his spear to stop the blast. Plus Ares nearly killed Uxas and Zeus could battle him with aid, helping this scale

zeus was screaming in exertion as well. stalemating in this context just means neither one could triumph over the other.

imo scaling should go

Stronger than God tier: Superman and Darkseid

God tier: Ares>=Zeus=Uxas>Steppenwolf>Doomsday>Wonder Woman

Hmm I see

So you’re saying it should be better or worse?

i’m saying ww dodges the beam in far less time than the current calc uses, and her correct speed should be around 2-3 times faster than what it currently is

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Isn't it agreed that Black Adam isn't canon to the SnyderVerse?

 

[Hellbeast]

debatable between him and zeus but i can definitely see him being the strongest.

based on the story boards, darkseid is not stronger than superman when he’s pissed off

Hence why I said sans

bro the statement snyder made was rhat steppenwolf, doomsday and uxas are all comparable. just because steppe wolf is stronger than doomsday doesn’t mean he’s stronger than Uxas.

This is mostly irrelevant to the core issue

zeus was screaming in exertion as well. stalemating in this context just means neither one could triumph over the other.

Much less then Uxas though unless you want to argue Zeus isn’t that much stronger then characters who fight Doomsday

imo scaling should go

Stronger than God tier: Superman and Darkseid

God tier: Ares>=Zeus=Uxas>Steppenwolf>Doomsday>Wonder Woman

I agree with BA Superman but idk about just JL era Supes

i’m saying ww dodges the beam in far less time than the current calc uses, and her correct speed should be around 2-3 times faster than what it currently is

Ah I see

 

[Hellbeast]

Isn't it agreed that Black Adam isn't canon to the SnyderVerse?

It is but I’ll make that thread

 

[Ozcantabak]

Man Of Steel Black Hole

Introduction This thread will mainly be going over the justifications as to why the blackhole in man of steel should be applicable to scale due to: How it came to be How it’s described What is a blackhole? To establish if the blackhole in MOS is a realistic blackhole, we need to first...

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[Ozcantabak]

I wonder if we can scale ww tiers lifting to Karathen via Old Gods and Uxas being > everyone at that time.

 

[AdamAlgeria34]

This thread is to discuss all DCEU stuff like the Snyderverse, the Ayercut and I guess CW to a degree

Can I add Supernatural willpower to Black Adam’s powers and abilities since it’s one of his powers when he says Shazam under “Courage of Mehen” one of the 6 gods and also he faced against literally everyone including that literal satan named “Sabbac” with absolutely no fear whatsoever and he’s such a god wannabe he always says “there’s no one on this earth who can stop me”

 

[Ozcantabak]

Can I add Supernatural willpower to Black Adam’s powers and abilities since it’s one of his powers when he says Shazam under “Courage of Mehen” one of the 6 gods and also he faced against literally everyone including that literal satan named “Sabbac” with absolutely no fear whatsoever and he’s such a god wannabe he always says “there’s no one on this earth who can stop me”

You should first open a content revision thread for that, also see here for more information about supernatural willpower i don't remember BA that much so idk if supernatural willpower would be accepted.

 

[ByArrow]

DCEU / DCU CRT: Superman and Blue Beetle Upgrade

The Blue Beetle is currently scaling to this calculation. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dalesean027/Blue_Beetle_Movie_Calc_compilation_2#Vaporization Since we now have a vaporization value for steel, I redid the calculation according to this value and got a higher result...

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[Dinobot1996]

My recalculation of White Dragon's energy blast had its high-end accepted, which should put both DCEU and DCU Peacemaker at 9-A, considering that White Dragon could channel the same energy through his gauntlets to enhance his physical strikes, which Peacemaker withstood a hit from. This should in turn scale to a decent number of characters comparable to Peacemaker, including Rick Flag Jr.

Accordingly, here's some DCEU specific stuff I'll likely incorporate into a CRT at some point in the future:
We already consider Killer Croc to be above Rick Flag, and Batman was established to have defeated Killer Croc in the Secret Files of the Suicide Squad prequel comic:

In addition, the Eyes of the Adversary can probably downscale from Flag, considering that while he could fight them off individually, he was pretty quickly overpowered and almost killed by a small group, with pretty much the same scenario occurring again later. This should bump up pretty much the entire 2016 Task Force X lineup.

I'd also argue that Rick Jr. should scale more closely to Peacemaker than his profile suggests, considering he was pretty badly wounded by debris right before the fight started, and he still managed to gain a clear upper hand towards the end of the fight, only losing because Peacemaker managed to grab the broken tile at the last moment.

 

[Ozcantabak]

My recalculation of White Dragon's energy blast had its high-end accepted, which should put both DCEU and DCU Peacemaker at 9-A, considering that White Dragon could channel the same energy through his gauntlets to enhance his physical strikes, which Peacemaker withstood a hit from. This should in turn scale to a decent number of characters comparable to Peacemaker, including Rick Flag Jr.

Accordingly, here's some DCEU specific stuff I'll likely incorporate into a CRT at some point in the future:
We already consider Killer Croc to be above Rick Flag, and Batman was established to have defeated Killer Croc in the Secret Files of the Suicide Squad prequel comic:

In addition, the Eyes of the Adversary can probably downscale from Flag, considering that while he could fight them off individually, he was pretty quickly overpowered and almost killed by a small group, with pretty much the same scenario occurring again later. This should bump up pretty much the entire 2016 Task Force X lineup.

I'd also argue that Rick Jr. should scale more closely to Peacemaker than his profile suggests, considering he was pretty badly wounded by debris right before the fight started, and he still managed to gain a clear upper hand towards the end of the fight, only losing because Peacemaker managed to grab the broken tile at the last moment.

Great job, i should also add that Bats overpowered and broke Croc's arm in Suicide Squad the script.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Great job, i should also add that Bats overpowered and broke Croc's arm in Suicide Squad the script.

I found it:

Croc might also be able to get his LS bumped up to Class 5, considering he ripped the head off one of the Eyes of the Adversary (which should be around this level), and the novel implies that he could bench press a pickup truck:

 

[Ozcantabak]

Batmobile also tanks a car explosion (1:10) which might support the value since parademons scale to the batmobile.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Batmobile also tanks a car explosion (1:10) which might support the value since parademons scale to the batmobile.

Yeah, that should also be around 9-A

 

[Hellbeast]

My recalculation of White Dragon's energy blast had its high-end accepted, which should put both DCEU and DCU Peacemaker at 9-A, considering that White Dragon could channel the same energy through his gauntlets to enhance his physical strikes, which Peacemaker withstood a hit from. This should in turn scale to a decent number of characters comparable to Peacemaker, including Rick Flag Jr.

Accordingly, here's some DCEU specific stuff I'll likely incorporate into a CRT at some point in the future:
We already consider Killer Croc to be above Rick Flag, and Batman was established to have defeated Killer Croc in the Secret Files of the Suicide Squad prequel comic:

I’d also note that the script/novelisation has a scene where Batman broke Croc’s arm and that Croc is confirmedly the heavy hitter on the team.

Depending on what you take that to mean he could upscale base Diablo as well

I'd also argue that Rick Jr. should scale more closely to Peacemaker than his profile suggests, considering he was pretty badly wounded by debris right before the fight started, and he still managed to gain a clear upper hand towards the end of the fight, only losing because Peacemaker managed to grab the broken tile at the last moment.

Yep, plus Bloodsport should get this too since they’re clearly positioned as rivals

 

[Ozcantabak]

I’d also note that the script/novelisation has a scene where Batman broke Croc’s arm and that Croc is confirmedly the heavy hitter on the team.

Depending on what you take that to mean he could upscale base Diablo as well

Large building Batfleck or no

 

[Dinobot1996]

The new DCU/DCEU CRT is now up

 

[Dinobot1996]

Some unevaluated calculations from the past few days:

• Supersonic Harley Quinn
• Class 25 Batman
• Class M White Dragon

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

Some unevaluated calculations from the past few days:

• Supersonic Harley Quinn
• Class 25 Batman
• Class M White Dragon

Finally this batman can get out of subsonic

 

[Ozcantabak]

DCEU Speed upgrade

Very quickly, this recalc of Wonder Woman reacting to light got accepted. Basically old calc assumed that Wonder Woman only achieved her finished position the exact moment the beam hit her but that just is not what happened as she achieved her position much sooner. So this should be used in the...

vsbattles.com

 

[Legion350]

This hasn’t been used in a while, but I have a question about the way we scale the Flashpoint characters. Why don’t we have separate keys for the Flashpoint Kryptonians? Like Faora’s page uses Flashpoint feats to justify the High 6-A tier from the original timeline.

I think it’s fine to scale Flashpoint Faora from the feats of OG Timeline Faora, but idk if the reverse makes sense. Also, I just realized Flashpoint Zod and Supergirl haven’t been updated with the rest of the DCEU. Supergirl's page says she is stronger than both versions of the Flash, but she doesn’t share his tier.

 

[Ozcantabak]

This hasn’t been used in a while, but I have a question about the way we scale the Flashpoint characters. Why don’t we have separate keys for the Flashpoint Kryptonians? Like Faora’s page uses Flashpoint feats to justify the High 6-A tier from the original timeline.

I think it’s fine to scale Flashpoint Faora from the feats of OG Timeline Faora, but idk if the reverse makes sense. Also, I just realized Flashpoint Zod and Supergirl haven’t been updated with the rest of the DCEU. Supergirl's page says she is stronger than both versions of the Flash, but she doesn’t share his tier.

Always a pleasure to see people write here
Anyways i've made all these changes when applying the Snyder cut canon thread. I gave all of them a likely raiting back then cause i wasn't sure how wiki treated the Flashpoint characters (and i didn't give them the 5-B raiting cause it would look really weird to write something like "7-C, likely high 6-A, likely 5-B"). But as for seperating them, i disagree. Even tho some changes are made like Batmans being different Batmans, the kryptonians are obviusly meant to be the same ones from the original DCEU timeline.
As for Zod and Supergirl, as i said i didn't scale them to 5-B stuff cause is would be "likely, likely". I was planning on making another thread to scale them to World Engine and remove the 7-C raiting, but currently i'm waiting one of the 3 active dceu crt's to be closed so i can post a small thread expalining the Blue Beetle high 5-A scaling.