DCEU General Discussion Thread

[Qurbonboev]

DCEU Superman vs Toei Goku

Post-Resurrection Superman is used Beginning of Z Son Goku is used Location is ToP Arena Distance is 100 meters Speed is equalized AP and Dura: 2.103 Quettatons LS: 1.61 billion tons AP and Dura: 4.125 Quettatons LS: Unknown Kal-El: Kakarot: Incon:

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[Ozcantabak]

Motherboxes Energy to Mass conversion.

Per our Mass-Energy conversion feats page, in order to use mass-energy conversion it has to be explicitly stated that this is the progress used. Mother Boxes are explicitly stated to be able to convert energy into matter, and we know they are world creating/destroying machines. Boxes destroying...

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[Osemere]

kept himself rooted into reality through sheer will against the phantom zone's abilities, which unravels bodies at a quantum level, creates sucking wounds in the fabric of reality itself, which warps, fractures and ripples space-time, and makes objects blip out of existence into another plane of reality

Not mine (and the scaling for the page this comes from is terrible) but the novelization statements check out. More specifically,

Mother Box energy-potency > Superman’s willpower/resistance > World Engine singularity which works on a quantum level, which would help support the 10^54 end for the Mother Box unity.

There are some more interesting Phantom Zone statements out there which might be worthwhile to collect. Might be able to actually get it accepted as a real Black Hole.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Not mine (and the scaling for the page this comes from is terrible) but the novelization statements check out. More specifically

Hold up thats from my friends csap profile

Mother Box energy-potency > Superman’s willpower/resistance > World Engine singularity which works on a quantum level, which would help support the 10^54 end for the Mother Box unity.

There are some more interesting Phantom Zone statements out there which might be worthwhile to collect. Might be able to actually get it accepted as a real Black Hole.

I have the whole novel, if you want i can send it on discord. Also i have tried the black hole stuff but no one was interrested, so i just closed the thread.

 

[Osemere]

Hold up thats from my friends csap profile

Sorry

I have the whole novel, if you want i can send it on discord. Also i have tried the black hole stuff but no one was interrested, so i just closed the thread.

It might be better to litigate it again because 5-A isn’t necessary now, it would just be better justification for resistances & possible sub-justification for AP.

 

[Osemere]

Hold up thats from my friends csap profile

I have the whole novel, if you want i can send it on discord. Also i have tried the black hole stuff but no one was interrested, so i just closed the thread.

Also if you could include the scans I linked from your friend in your format that’d be great, quantum stuff especially.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Also if you could include the scans I linked from your friend in your format that’d be great, quantum stuff especially.

Sure, but what do you mean in my format, can you give an example ?

 

[Osemere]

Sure, but what do you mean in my format, can you give an example ?

The ones I linked are mobile-sized; better formatting, highlighting, etc. It’s only like 2 scans so hopefully it’s not too much trouble. I’ll try to make a blog for the higher Mother Box end with them tomorrow.

 

[Ozcantabak]

The ones I linked are mobile-sized; better formatting, highlighting, etc. It’s only like 2 scans so hopefully it’s not too much trouble. I’ll try to make a blog for the higher Mother Box end with them tomorrow.

Sorry for the wait, these are all the pages, 2nd pic is the stuff about quantum and the 4th is Supes resisting it.

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[KaizerCone]

I'm not sure if I'm going to recieve a response since the DCEU is dead but I have some questions about the scaling that I would like to be addressed.
So we currently have Doomsday at Star level because of the fact he's created by Zods body being expanded to its absolute limit, correct? My issue is whether he gradually became Star level after the nuke or if he started off at that level due to the fact the Superman he was relative too had seemingly dropped all the way from Star level to City level due to him getting incapacitated by a W87. How are we supposed to reconcile Pre Nuke Doomsday being >Adapted Zod whose star level with him physically being compared to a Kryptonite Nerfed Superman who seemingly became trillions of times weaker.
The fact Doomsdays own explosions which seem to be indicative of his power level was seemingly going to go from city level via our stryker island calc all the way up to Planet level from Snyders own statement makes me suspicious. While I'm aware that AP in many cases doesn't equate to DC, I still think it's worth bringing this up due to the enormous gap between the two in this specific case.

 

[Ozcantabak]

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As far as i know wiki accepts people can get amped by things that are weaker then tham. For example MonsterVerse is accepted as solar system but they get mega amped by nukes or comic supes being multiversal despite being amped by the sun.
As for the explosion, ww no sells doomsday's explosions but Doomsday can mog her physically so its likely that his brute strength is > his explosions.

 

[KaizerCone]

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You're absolutely right that characters can receive a mega amp from something far weaker than themselves but the point I'm making is when does the gap between a characters AP and DC become absurd especially when compared to the visuals shown off by the movie itself.
We already accept WW herself as star level meanwhile Doomsdays explosions seem to be in the city level range from the calc we've accepted. The point is that Doomsday before the nuke was a physical peer to a post Kryptonite Superman who got incapacitated by a nuclear explosion.
If we accept that Pre nuke doomsday was already 2.1 quettatons then he would've been competing with a superman who was 4.4 septillion times weaker than his usual self due to the nuclear warhead being only 475 kilotons.
At that point, the scaling starts feeling difficult to reconcile with the way the movie itself visually portrays these fights.
Because Kryptonite in BvS is portrayed more like:
temporary cellular degradation,
weakening,
poisoning,
gradual recovery,
rather than a total removal of Superman's power to the point where he'd suddenly drop by over 20 orders of magnitude.
That's mainly why I'm questioning whether Pre-Nuke Doomsday was actually intended to already be operating at Star level before his later evolution/amplification. The gap between Doomsdays own AP and his 2.68 megaton DC is literally 780 sextillion times.