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CRT: Peacemaker upgrades the DCU and the DCEU

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My recalculation of White Dragon's energy blast had its high-end accepted, which should put both DCEU and DCU Peacemaker at 9-A, considering that White Dragon could channel the same energy through his gauntlets to enhance his physical strikes, which Peacemaker withstood a hit from. This should in turn impact a decent number of characters in both the DCU and the DCEU, as Peacemaker season 1 feats count for both universes.

I'll split this up a bit for easier reading:

Profiles from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker season 1 who should scale:
I'd also argue that Rick Jr. should scale more closely to Peacemaker than his profile suggests and have the 'at most' part of his rating removed, considering he was pretty badly wounded by debris right before the fight started, and he still managed to gain a clear upper hand towards the end of the fight, only losing because Peacemaker managed to grab the broken tile at the last moment.

Edit: Flag's LS should also probably scale to Peacemaker.

Profiles from the DCU that should scale:
In addition, any mention of the Sonic Boom Helmet as mentioned on the profiles of Peacemaker, Adebayo, and Checkmate would have to upscale from the new value.

While they don't seem to have finished profiles yet, this should also impact Rick Flag Sr. and most of the Creature Commandos cast due to Flag Sr. beating up Peacemaker.

The Eyes of the Adversary can probably downscale from Rick Flag, considering that while he could fight them off individually, he was pretty quickly overpowered and almost killed by a small group, with pretty much the same scenario occurring again later. This should in turn bump up pretty much the entire 2016 Task Force X lineup. We already consider Killer Croc to be above Flag, and Batman was established to have defeated Killer Croc in the Secret Files of the Suicide Squad prequel comic:
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This is further elaborated on in the Suicide Squad 2016 script, which originally featured a flashback showing that Batman overpowered and broke Croc's arm:
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Batman also easily knocked out Harley Quinn. The Batmobile's durability (which Parademons scale to) might also have a supporting feat, tanking a car explosion directly against it which could potentially reach 9-A levels.

So I think the DCEU profiles that would be impacted (besides those mentioned in the light canon section) include:
Bonus:

A low-end of this El Diablo calculation was recently accepted, which would put his base key's powers at High 8-C.

Killer Croc might be able to get his LS rating bumped up to Class 5, considering he ripped the head off one of the Eyes of the Adversary (which should be around this level), and the novel implies that he could bench press a pickup truck:
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If we go by the Croc flashback from the script, Batman (and Parademons by extension) could scale to this too.
 
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Agree of course, but, does this thread needs 2 staff votes because it's a dceu thread or 3 because it's also a dcu thread ?
 
werent those energy blasts about to vaporize peacemaker if it hit them? one punch alone had chris writhing in agony
 
Was just thinking Peacemaker currently has Class 1 LS for "wrestling" a gorilla but I rewatched the feat (here) and he doesn't really do that, he just jumps on its back and immediately gets effortlessly rag dolled. It also says on his DCEU profile that he "should be" comparable to White Dragon who has Class 5 LS so should he scale to that instead or not?
 
Lacku said:
Was just thinking Peacemaker currently has Class 1 LS for "wrestling" a gorilla but I rewatched the feat (here) and he doesn't really do that, he just jumps on its back and immediately gets effortlessly rag dolled. It also says on his DCEU profile that he "should be" comparable to White Dragon who has Class 5 LS so should he scale to that instead or not?
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Peacemaker was able to tackle/restrain his racist father twice, so I think Peacemaker scaling to Class 5 makes sense

On a side note (and I know this would be something for another thread), DCEU Polka-Dot Man could probably get a new durability rating if this feat ever got calculated. I can't imagine he'd get as high as his fellow squad members, but it's gotta be higher than 10-B for sure
 
Ozcantabak said:
48 hours haven't passed, but doesn't this needs 3 votes ?
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Two is the baseline for most threads. One is fine for super small implementations. Three or more are recommended for HUGE ones

This particular CRT is a standard type of CRT, and it already has more than two votes. We just gotta wait for the 48 hours to pass
 
sanicspood said:
werent those energy blasts about to vaporize peacemaker if it hit them? one punch alone had chris writhing in agony
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No

Peacemaker was already bloodied when he was taking those hits and he was honestly pretty fine given how he was able to lay a beatdown on White Dragon afterwards and then kill him

Peacemaker scaling to the energy blast punches isn't a contradiction
 
Considering Rick Flag Jr. really should scale to Peacemaker's LS, it'd probably have to be determined which members of the 2016 Suicide Squad lineup could potentially get Class 5 scaling through Flag/The Eyes of the Adversary.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
Considering Rick Flag Jr. really should scale to Peacemaker's LS, it'd probably have to be determined which members of the 2016 Suicide Squad lineup could potentially get Class 5 scaling through Flag/The Eyes of the Adversary.
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Since the Eyes only overwhelm Flag as a group and are weaker than him individually, I don’t know if anyone would scale to his LS through them.

Also, I’m pretty sure it’s been 48 hours, so this can be applied now.
 
LordTracer said:
Since the Eyes only overwhelm Flag as a group and are weaker than him individually, I don’t know if anyone would scale to his LS through them.

Also, I’m pretty sure it’s been 48 hours, so this can be applied now.
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Croc and Batman should upscale Flag since Croc is stronger than Flag

I could check if there’s scenes supporting any scaling back to Flag but for now, Class 5 should go to the following:
  • Peacemaker
  • Rick Flag Jr.
  • Batman
  • Killer Croc
  • Vigilante
  • Judomaster

Also yeah this can be applied now
 
Dinobot1996 said:
The Eyes of the Adversary can probably downscale from Rick Flag, considering that while he could fight them off individually, he was pretty quickly overpowered and almost killed by a small group, with pretty much the same scenario occurring again later. This should in turn bump up pretty much the entire 2016 Task Force X lineup. We already consider Killer Croc to be above Flag, and Batman was established to have defeated Killer Croc in the Secret Files of the Suicide Squad prequel comic:
2NmKVfC.png

This is further elaborated on in the Suicide Squad 2016 script, which originally featured a flashback showing that Batman overpowered and broke Croc's arm:
HyF8jPn.png

poL5BJh.png


Batman also easily knocked out Harley Quinn. The Batmobile's durability (which Parademons scale to) might also have a supporting feat, tanking a car explosion directly against it which could potentially reach 9-A levels.

So I think the DCEU profiles that would be impacted (besides those mentioned in the light canon section) include:
Bonus:

A low-end of this El Diablo calculation was recently accepted, which would put his base key's powers at High 8-C.

Killer Croc might be able to get his LS rating bumped up to Class 5, considering he ripped the head off one of the Eyes of the Adversary (which should be around this level), and the novel implies that he could bench press a pickup truck:
dKdnGOs.png


If we go by the Croc flashback from the script, Batman (and Parademons by extension) could scale to this too.
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Two more things regarding Killer Croc scaling


Just some stuff that can be added to the justifications
 
Dinobot1996 said:
Considering Rick Flag Jr. really should scale to Peacemaker's LS, it'd probably have to be determined which members of the 2016 Suicide Squad lineup could potentially get Class 5 scaling through Flag/The Eyes of the Adversary.
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Croc absolutely does since he’s the powerhouse of the team which has its own implications
 
sanicspood said:
wait isnt that class 5 calc via usage of his thrusters? why would chris scale to this even his he did restrain him?
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His profile just has him as straight up Class 5. If you've got an issue with that, you're gonna have to take it up in another thread unfortunately, not this one

That being said, I'm pretty sure this feat from White Dragon would be more impressive and would probably bump up the LS of everyone who scales to him and Peacemaker
 
Dinobot1996 said:
If White Dragon's trailer ripping feat ever got calculated, I wonder if the results could end up landing in outlier territory, as I'm reminded of this calculation that involved tearing a hole in aluminum that ended up getting Class M results.
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Oh hey, I requested that specific calc

Yeah, tearing feats can get pretty high results. I think it's still worth calculating the feat so then we can come to a verdict on how useable it is
 
Lonkitt said:
His profile just has him as straight up Class 5. If you've got an issue with that, you're gonna have to take it up in another thread unfortunately, not this one
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yea but the calc its self specifies that its with thrusters, the new white dragon profile seems to have just got it wrong there which yea i guess it requires a new thread, but whats the point in attempting to have chris scale to this based on a profile rating error?

this is also probably why the dceu peacemaker profile never actually scaled to it in the first place and just had him at class 1
 
sanicspood said:
this is also probably why dceu peacemaker never actually scaled to it in the first place and just had him at class 1
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Except his Class 1 rating is based on wrestling a Gorilla, which really didn't happen. Not in a way that we can use for scaling anyways
 
Lonkitt said:
Except his Class 1 rating is based on wrestling a Gorilla, which really didn't happen. Not in a way that we can use for scaling anyways
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yea ik, that rating is also bad my point is that this is a profile statistic error and scaling chris to this just because it says it on the profile is wrong and worthless because it could get removed the very second it gets applied
 
sanicspood said:
yea ik, that rating is also bad my point is that this is a profile statistic error and scaling chris to this just because it says it on the profile is wrong and worthless because it could get removed the very second it gets applied
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@Dinobot1996 @LordTracer

Any thoughts or recommendations about this?
 
If the current Class 1-Class 5 LS justifications aren't usable for wider scaling, then I guess the LS implementations (aside from the Croc stuff) can be put on hold until better feats and justifications can be figured out.
 
Dinobot1996 said:
If the current Class 1-Class 5 LS justifications aren't usable for wider scaling, then I guess the LS implementations (aside from the Croc stuff) can be put on hold until better feats and justifications can be figured out.
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Good call

For now, the LS can stay unchanged while the AP gets updated
 
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