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Top 15 Non-smurf. Ji Ning (Desolate Chaos) vs Abigail (Nasuverse)

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Round 1
Abigail Williams
Daoist Darknorth
They are locked up in a tie

Round 2
Abigail Williams
Daoist Darknorth
They can't cultivate a better result
 
So like, what does Sut-Typhon actually do here?
Not only is Ning an actual character (as in he actually has done stuff on his own tier with hax and stuff that scales to it) but Sut literally can't do anything to NIng here and gets haxed into the ground
 
pretty much but i wanna see other nasuverse defense if it exist

but so far I'm voting that Ji Ning takes this easily
if no defense after some time I'll just ask dragonite to update the list
 
Can Abigail even interact with Ji Ning? Not only that but Ning can affect others on his level and state of existence, meaning he just haxxes with ease.
 
I plan on making some possible arguments for Abigail, but i saw Ji Ning's Nondual 3............. and worse still, Nasuverse still have no layers

And i just found out that i and Planck is on the opposite side again
 
As a person who have my supporting verses face verse like OPM, Re:Zero. I think i saw enough of skill stomp thing
Skillstomping is so stupid. Like, yeah, I can get one shotted, but uh, you can't really hit me 🤓. Honestly just being slightly superior or even equal in skill is far more entertaining as a debate, also invites far less NLF claims (I also deal with those verses too, it's kinda crazy what kinda shit they get away with sometimes).

Beyond that though, Ning kinda just takes it over Abigail.
 
Lmao I went over me that ji Ning a tually have non dual 3
I guess Abigail has no argument

I guess Ji Ning takes 1st spot
 
but nonduality 3 does not give you anything
remember that nonduality downgrade thread
It still make you unable to be physically interacted, if you do not have feat since you exist in a state that encompass up to at least 5 truth states.

Well, i just read Ji Ning profile again and he didn't resist Info or his NEP and Nondual 3 do not cover Info, supposely Abigail can Info hax him. And...well her soul is both info 2 and concept due to servant physiology. But idk much about FGO so someone more knowledge should comment
 
It still make you unable to be physically interacted, if you do not have feat since you exist in a state that encompass up to at least 5 truth states.

Well, i just read Ji Ning profile again and he didn't resist Info or his NEP and Nondual 3 do not cover Info, supposely Abigail can Info hax him. And...well her soul is both info 2 and concept due to servant physiology. But idk much about FGO so someone more knowledge should comment
atm the latest CRT that included 9D is the one CrimsonStarFallen posted but at that CRT Abigail (the only nasuverse profile that exist and is 9D atm) 9D only scales from her noble phantasm
 
Isn't Nondual shenanigans really weird right now? Like, a lot of things that were considered duality before, just aren't apparently, based on what Ultima said.

Idk jack about Abigail, but from what I'm seeing, Ning kind of haxes her to death and back. Doesn't even need to affect her soul to incap her. Also, I think you can grant Daos info type 2 considering it exists in everything, including the tiniest grass and you can glimpse into its information, iirc. But eh, not on the profile.
 
atm the latest CRT that included 9D is the one CrimsonStarFallen posted but at that CRT Abigail (the only nasuverse profile that exist and is 9D atm) 9D only scales from her noble phantasm
Yog-Sothoth is her true Outer God form which is 9D, the Abigail is servant form which is only 9D with Noble Phatasm
Isn't Nondual shenanigans really weird right now? Like, a lot of things that were considered duality before, just aren't apparently, based on what Ultima said.
Ultima planned to revise nondual/transdual completely......but well, it is still.....a plan

Idk about Ji Ning so i don't comment, and i'm not really well-versed in FGO either (not even play the game and just watch the anime adaptation and lore video)

How about put both of them in the same spot??
 
Yog-Sothoth is her true Outer God form which is 9D, the Abigail is servant form which is only 9D with Noble Phatasm

Ultima planned to revise nondual/transdual completely......but well, it is still.....a plan

Idk about Ji Ning so i don't comment, and i'm not really well-versed in FGO either (not even play the game and just watch the anime adaptation and lore video)

How about put both of them in the same spot??
True but does the servant physiology scale to such degree?
We know it is a tier above for tying everything but that doesn't really means suddenly all hax below it is on such level because it is a force that ties everything


We can't really put them in the same spot because even if speed unequal they are technically at the same speed due to being omnipresent.
 
True but does the servant physiology scale to such degree?
We know it is a tier above for tying everything but that doesn't really means suddenly all hax below it is on such level because it is a force that ties everything
Actually Servant is a container which degraded thing down to its level so they can manifest as Servant. Even if we not talking about Servant, he exisence encompass all thing so thing such as her soul should scales to her existence, like Gods and Divine Spirit

But again Nasu profile is ass, the fact that she somehow not Low 1-A but have BDE2 is....., and the justification of her nondual said she encompass numerous dual system but is nondual 1
 
Does much of this matter when Ning can just do anything and it would kill her? She seems to lack any resistance on her level in a meaningful way.
but nonduality 3 does not give you anything
remember that nonduality downgrade thread
Going by the actual page, no. Ning is immune to any attacks not on the same level of many valued logic as him. Ultima may want to revise that but I'd wait until that actually gets put to the page before arguing it.
 
Well, i think just put Ji Ning above her, since with the state of Nasuverse profile, i'm not exactly confident in defending her in this match, and supporters who have more knowledges than me don't come so.....
 
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