Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

[Community_Gamer]

Info type 1?

Probably

Ch492:

1)Space-time manipulation

Cool but not really new abilities right?

Do you think this is related to sea monsters attacking Inaba and Reeman in Tortus?
Maybe those things reached every world, there could be a connection between The DRAGON's miasma and the outsiders.

That's a good thought

4)CM1, NEP or Stealth, acausality, space-time manipulation and traveling the branches(range?)

This prove that they manipulate dimensions, and It seem like they could hide their existence from the world.

Well we don't know if the result is due to their physiology or the cosmology but if it's the former then yeah it has serious implications. I mean hence Hajime's concern. If they undetectable but fodder then it wouldn't matter much.

5)Goddess's authority and Concept Magic

Does this mean the great trees avatars powers is CM type 1?

Yeah probably

6)Myu's charisma and Hajime's influence

Purity in spite of darkness ig

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Chapter 493:

1)Info about the  DRAGON: (This thing is dangerous)

「Yeah. The “Dragon” was born at the spirit world, so it’s definitely a type of apparition. It’s not “Calamity”. But, it’s an even greater threat than that. Then, what is the concept that can give birth to an existence that powerful? It’s something that makes even god that is born from countless faiths to be overshadowed you know?」

「……Based on the knowledge in my possession──」

Flash. Thunder. Lutria’s breath got caught in her throat 「Hyuh」 and she stopped speaking.

「There is none.」

She continued as though nothing happened. With a composed expression.

「There is no way I can know somethinggg-──that the goddess of the fairy world has no knowledge abouttt-」

The unnatural intonation was of course matching the timing of the explosive sound or flash.

「Therefore, I do not have anything I can-……say about any similar existence, or about the poo-ssibility of similar existence bee-ing born once! ──more.」

「The “Dragon” isn’t just earth’s problem. First, I want us to share this understanding.」

「There is no way I have any objection to that. If the goddesses of the King Tree and the Heaven Tree didn’t stake their existences on the line to seal it, it would be my fate too in the future.」

Fuuu~h, Lutria exhaled. She calmed down her breathing when she didn’t even need to breath in the first place. The goddess’s expression tensed with double dose of seriousness, though Laila giving her a gentle rubbing on the back made it awkward to watch.

「The seal over the “Dragon” is flawless for now. At the very least, I believe I have done everything I can for it at the moment. I want you to tell me your opinion about it as a goddess.」

「I am even feeling an awe you know, Nagumo Hajime. Those are, not countermeasures that I ever expect children of man to be able to take. Whether it is you taking hold of the planet’s power, and also the Great Barrier of Heavenly Star……was it? The child of man who created it was also astonishing.」

2)Hero summoning:

The “hero summoning” that was done in the past was something that was done solely by the children of man. A priest of the celestial people once independently researched and improved the secret technique that was bestowed from god which resulted in the summoning technique.

The priest thought that humans shouldn’t trouble the god with the conflict of the world of man. When he heard that many worlds existed and not just this one, he went off on his own to rely on hero from another world. That was the beginning.

Therefore, in the end that summoning technique was something inferior that couldn’t be compared with the secret technique of god. It was “otherworlder summoning technique” and not “hero summoning technique”.

That was why, what the technique summoned wasn’t hero but always “someone with the qualities of hero” only.

3)Spirit Beasts:

All the spirit beasts were beautiful and also unique.

A bird that looked like a phoenix and was clad in flame-like aura was perching on Shizuku’s shoulder. Shizuku was looking slightly nervous perhaps because of the glint of intelligence that she saw in its eyes.

「This one look smart for some reason. It’s also really pretty……」

『Thank you, young lady.』

「KYAAAAAAAAAH IT TALKSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! What’s more it has refined gentleman voice!!」

Tio and Kaori were buried in basketball sized pure white round and fluffy fluffs. They were fluff type spirit beasts. When they first appeared they had the form that looked like yeti when combined together.

『Winged child, child of sky, child of heaven!』

『Other world wings! Various children of wings!』

「Wappu, wait, don’t fluff us so much like thattt」

「They hath intelligence in them. Here, art these what thy mean by other world wings? Oo, they art delighted.」

「Ah, is that why they’re interested with us? Then I’ll bring out my wings too──they’re fluffing us even moreee!」

Liliana and Aiko were being toyed by a richly colored smoke (?) that took the shape of tiger. The spirit beast was coiling around them exactly like how smoke would.

「Is this tiger, tiger? It’s definitely toying around with us isn’t it!」

「Lily-san, don’t be angry. The inside of your body look pretty like the galaxy when it pass through~」

「No, Aiko-san. How can you be calm like that even though it’s plainly opening its mouth wide and swallow us……ah, you’re casting “Soul Repose” on yourself-, unfair!」

Nana and co were being surrounded by dozens of cat-like things that were floating in the air. They had large eyes and grin so
wide that split their face, along with hook tail. They were like the cheshire cat that came out in “Alice in Wonderland”.

「Wait, this lecherous cat! Don’t flip my skirt like grade school student!」

「Fufu, light blue huh……」

「Good job, cheshire cat-sa──aah, give back my bagg!」

Beside Shia there was also a dragon-like being that radiated power that was conspicuously greater than the other spirit beasts. It was covered with pure white fur that looked comfortable to touch and gorgeous scales. Its appearance was like Fal*or that came out in The Neverending Story but shrunk by several level.

In fact, it must be pleasant to touch. Shia’s expression as she fluffed the white dragon was becoming as slovenly as when she dived into a cushion that turned people into a useless slob.

「I’m inviting this mister dragon to our place! It’s fine isn’t it desuu~?」

『It’s a request from this heroic lady, so I cannot refuse. Demon god-dono from another world, please take care of me.』

It looked like they had finished the negotiation for his going to Miniature Garden.

Furthermore there were also a gorilla-like spirit beast whose whole body was covered with moss and flower, spirit beast that looked like a walking mushroom, a spirit beast that looked like a raccoon that inflated and floated like balloon before deflating and rolling on the ground, and a spirit beast that looked exactly like the pokemon Diglet* whose head popped out from the ground.

Seeing their family frolicking in excitement with mysterious creatures noisily, it became understandable, that certainly there would be nothing better than this to be their meal accompaniment.

「I’m also sensing a great presence observing us from a distance though……」

「……Nn, it has no hostility. Is it a large spirit beast watching from afar?」

「It must be being considerate to all of you. It is large, and powerful, which mean it will also cause dread to those it face in equal measure.」

「It’s highly intelligent huh.」

「It’s not a mere beast. The children who have lived for many years even among the spirit beasts will obtain considerable intelligence after all. Because of that you will be able to have a nice conversation with them too.」

Unicorn and Pegasus:

Myuu ran and slapped the horse’s leg scoldingly, Don’t rampage violently anymore! The one-horned horse lowered its head as though to say, Understood.

Just what’s going on here……Shia and others who were watching the horse thought. Then the horse turned its head toward Shia and others from an angle outside Yuuka and Myuu’s eyes and,

Hihiiiin-, peh!!

It spat. While glaring like a thug.

Shia and others all made a look that screamed 「T-this guy-」.

「……That child is a protector of maiden. There is no danger.」

At other spot, one more horse had approached Remia and Myuu. It was a white horse but with no horn, instead it had wings. Its radiant figure made it worthy to be called a sacred horse. It was a Pegasus like in myth.

「My my, this one is allowing me to touch it isn’t it? Ufufu, thank you so much.」

「Myu? Mama, for some reason the unicorn-san is……」

The Pegasus enveloped Remia and Myuu under its wings while staring at them peacefully. Meanwhile, unicorn-san was staring at that Pegasus with a terrible look.

It looked as though it was facing its sworn enemy.

The Pegasus looked like it had no intention to quarrel. Rather its gaze toward the unicorn seemed admonishing. From it atmosphere, it even felt like that perhaps it came to protect the little girl and her mother who had gotten the unicorn’s attention.

BTW, under the right condition the unicorn could keep up with one of the Deadly Sins.

Also, unicorn-san of this world was plainly strong. It would get buffed in case it had a maiden that it had to protect at its side and obtained the strength of the highest ranking. Even if the opponent was Demon Ranger it could rival them if it was one-on-one.

4)The planet's energy and reincarnation:

「When life perish soul will also disperse. However, it is only dispersing and not vanishing.」

「That well, it’s something we know. It’s a domain of soul magic after all.」

「……Nn」


　Hence, the question was beyond. The knowledge of the goddess.


The atomized souls are reduced to the energy specific to that world and circulate through it. Just as a drop of colored water falls into the flow of a great river, mixing and becoming indistinguishable."

When ...... life is born, a drop scattered from the flow of that river dwells and becomes a soul?"


　Lutria nodded, "Correct. And so life goes around, he said.


「The great tree is an existence to assist or prevent any stagnation in that cycle. It convert the energy in this world to element and expel it to outside the world, and also taking in element from other world in return, then forming the element to form that suit each world before circulating it. It is also a kind of purification facility.」

「……Nn? Wait. The spirit factor has been taken from human territory in its entirety. There should be none in the nature too. Then the new life……」

Yue frowned a bit worriedly. Lutria chuckled and shook her head.

「There is no need to worry. A drastic move like altering every single living thing in the soul level and taking away spirit factor from them, and done in a short time and all at once is impossible for me. However, I can at least subtly adjust the amount of spirit factor circulating in the world once more you know?」

「……That’s……certainly. You’re a goddess after all.」

「Yes, I am a goddess after all.」

There was no way the goddess didn’t manage the world after alteration properly. Yue looked a bit embarrassed for her needless worry.

「I see. The soul will disperse in death even though it has been altered. Then it’ll get purified and the soul that is containing new life will be created from new energy that is adapted to this world. In other words, the next generation human will regain the spirit factor?」

It seemed that his conclusion was half right and half incorrect. Lutria let out a wry smile.

「The flow of the world is not rushed like the society of human, Nagumo Hajime. There is no way the great tree will replace all the spirit factors in just several years. The world is turning in the span of several centuries or even millenniums.」

「In other words, this world’s humans will be regaining their spirit factor bit by bit throughout several or dozens of generations?」

「Not only human, but every living thing here will be so.」

So, The DRAGON was eating souls.
This explain the dragon vein(ley lines), it also help prove that the planet's energy(souls) is inexhaustible, because consuming that energy doesn't influence the cycle of rebirth even when Hajime used it to grow an independent world.(the soul can't be destroyed just converted)

It also explain how they could interact with other lifeforms, because those energies come from the same source.

Soul, energy and matter(?) manipulation for manipulating the planet's energy. There some instances where characters use the energy of the soul directly(Hajime, Kouki, Kaori, Kuwaibell...).

Keep in that the goddesses souls are different.



What do you think is the source of this energy? (Astral World?)

What kind of lifeform will be born in The Miniature Garden?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I added a missing part to the planet energy scan.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

So, The DRAGON was eating souls.

Just remembered that demons eat souls, possibly to increase their power.

Kousuke guessed. This situation, Professor Littman’s conduct. It must be the result of that phrase that sometimes appears in a story being realized in real life.

「I, see. You, sold your soul to a demon huh.」

「I can buy the truth with that. I think it can be said as a reasonable transaction.」

「From, that so-called reasonable transaction……what did you find out?」

Kousuke didn’t struggle anymore. He was asking while looking at Professor Littman with a blank expression that looked resigned.

Professor Littman looked back at Kousuke’s eyes.

「Tell me about your roots.」

It seemed that even this was a transaction. If Kousuke wanted to know about his knowledge, then Kousuke should also teach him the secret of his power.

「……That’s fine. But……you first. It would be unbearable if I get killed right after talking.」

The opponent was a man who sold even his soul to a demon for the sake of his pursuit. Kousuke’s condition didn’t even make Professor Littman hesitate. ch 308

Local people who couldn’t be talked to, boasting spec that rivaled or even surpassed god’s apostle, and the superpower they used was age of god magic level. In front of that, Hajime was about to open his mouth toward Shia that they should escape first from here――

――Nice struggle. That’s a wonderful radiance of soul. Especially the woman’s soul is wonderful

「……Hm?」

Hajime’s eyes narrowed hearing the voice.

――What a really good woman. Her quality surpassed that of the saint. She will make a good womb

――Indeed. It’s a bit wasteful to merely eat her ch 345

Shia's soul>Hajime's, or just talking about her body.

The DRAGON has been absorbing the planet'energy to increase his power. Does it mean absorbing souls increase your power ?

 

[Community_Gamer]

Chapter 493:

1)Info about the  DRAGON: (This thing is dangerous)

That's pretty crazy. Only makes Hajime and co more impressive.

2)Hero summoning:

This explains so much. Shea definitely fits this to a tee.

3)Spirit Beasts:



Unicorn and Pegasus:


BTW, under the right condition the unicorn could keep up with one of the Deadly Sins.

I guess this makes sense if the demons and spirits are somewhat of counterparts (at least narratively).

4)The planet's energy and reincarnation:

So that's how the system works.

So, The DRAGON was eating souls.
This explain the dragon vein(ley lines), it also help prove that the planet's energy(souls) is inexhaustible, because consuming that energy doesn't influence the cycle of rebirth even when Hajime used it to grow an independent world.(the soul can't be destroyed just converted)

Yeah its good supporting evidence but since the energy for the planet technically comes from outside the universe it makes sense.

Keep in that the goddesses souls are different.

I'm curious in what way they are different.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Yeah its good supporting evidence but since the energy for the planet technically comes from outside the universe it makes sense.

Would't that make the soul an extradimensional energy?

I found some mistakes with the translations of: planet and star, world and universe
Example:

“In my home world, humanity mastered exceptionally powerful magic. We had researched how to bring the stars under our dominion and channelthe natural forces of the world. That should give you an idea of how advanced our civilization was.” Vol 13

”The pure-white dimension they were fighting in suddenly turned into a giant television screen, showing a vision of space, with stars twinkling in the distance. Ehitruje was using restoration magic to recreate a scene from the past, it seemed. He looked over at one of the stars, which was emitting an erratic, unnatural glow. Vol 13

Ehitruje shrugged, his expression completely devoid of remorse. He looked more like a mildly disappointed child that had brokentheir own toy. The recreated vision of the past then showed people running as the earth split open and streams of unknown particles shot out of the fissures, destroying everything they touched. It looked like a scene straight out of hell. Vol 13

“We took things too far. In the end, we destroyed the rules that governed the natural order of the universe. Humanity, and the very star we lived on, was doomed to destruction, so only the chosen Enlightened could survive.” Vol 13

Pretty sure people don't live on stars. But interesting how stars could be controlled, this fall under Gravity Magic governing celestial bodies.

Anyway, imagine Kousuke reaching the origin of G.M. and gaining limitless energy.(Infinite abyss and infinite clones)

I'm curious in what way they are different.

I've already mentioned this

「Cough. About the holy sword, I can transform into a wooden heavenly sword because I’m originally a tree fairy. Thinking naturally, Ua Alto-san is a possession type. And when talking about possession, it contain a constant risk in the aspect of the balance between the soul and the container.」

According to her, possession ability was like a default ability for apparition, even so they could choose their vessel. There would be no problem if they possessed something disposable, but if the vessel was too powerful, or if they carelessly stayed in there for too long, occasionally it would be the soul that got influenced by the vessel.

And, if Ua Alto’s soul had been residing in the holy sword ever since the time that wasn’t too long since the creation of Tortus, and on top of that if there was a long period of time she didn’t get used……

「It’s understandable that she got affected by the nature of inorganic object and her will became thinner. In that state, the only way left she can react will be instinctually or emotionally. Such end is common knowledge even among the apparitions.」

「But, she isn’t dead by any means. Isn’t that right, Aula?」

Aularodde nodded strongly.

「However, it seems the frequency and speed of her reaction is increasing since visiting the fairy world. And seeing how we can also see her goddess figure sometimes, I conclude that she’s in the path of recovery. Her soul must not have been damaged irrevocably.」

She was usually acting like that, but Aularodde sounded persuasive when she made such assortment with firm decisiveness in her eyes. Relieved atmosphere filled the room.

「Still, it was something that happened through great stretch of time. It will take time for her to recover fully. Originally, soul is a forbidden domain that even god cannot easily interfere with. Not to mention she is a goddess of creation herself. Her soul is fundamentally different from human soul. No matter how powerful and transcendence you all are, be aware of the potentially fatal risk for a child of man to reach your hand toward such thing.」ch 459

 

[Community_Gamer]

Would't that make the soul an extradimensional energy?

Well the energy is I suppose. But as for the soul, that depends on how it changes when it's formed.

Pretty sure people don't live on stars. But interesting how stars could be controlled, this fall under Gravity Magic governing celestial bodies.

Makes sense but this doesn't really change much of anything in practice

Anyway, imagine Kousuke reaching the origin of G.M. and gaining limitless energy.(Infinite abyss and infinite clones)

Yuck....Kousuke

I've already mentioned this

So its just unidentifiably superior to a normal soul ig. Not particularly useful information but interesting

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

So its just unidentifiably superior to a normal soul ig. Not particularly useful information but interesting

Goddesses have existed since the creation of that world, and unlike a normal soul they're the will of the planet.

「E-even a goddess should be allowed to wish for happiness!」

『Indeed. A goddess’s happiness is to watch over her world for perpetuity. For that she would do anything necessary until the end of time when the destiny of the world run out. Isn’t that right?』ch 468

Destiny of the world?
Like there is somekind of predetermined future

「Thinking about that now, the whole journey of you guys until then was also like that…………it feels like fate was really at work during the whole time huh.」

Hajime and co smiled wryly even while finding themselves unable to deny Shuuzou’s words that he muttered at the end.

They looked at each other’s face. Hajime shrugged while he spoke to represent the feeling of Yue and others.

「If something like god of fate exist, and that “unseen hand” of his was at work……well, it feels like we are really loved in that case.」ch 456

『I too can possibly yield my seat as a goddess if there is another who has the qualification for that. However, that will be for after I have mustered out every single drop of strength I have in me and my existence vanish into nothingness. Isn’t that right?』

「Y-yes……」

『Everything is because of love. There is no god who doesn’t love this responsibility, who doesn’t love all living things in their own world.』

「I, I love, workkk……」

『Countless circle and rotation has come to pass since this world was born. No matter how many days, months, and years shall pass, this love will never disappear. My brethren. I believe that you too are the same. It must be truly painful for you in this current state where you have to be away from your world like this. If there is anything that I can do to be of assistance, please don’t hesitate to ask.』ch 468

We know that once a great tree avatar dies she doesn't come back, like Earth's goddess was killed by the DRAGON and didn't reincarnate that's why they replaced her. I think reincarnation doesn’t apply to them and they could die only through EE.


I think there is a connection between soul, willpower and reality.

1)Soul and Info Magic can be used to sublimate the will into a conceptual lv.
2)Ehit(soul) raise his existence through worship and that's what let him tank Concept Magic.
3)Mana comes from the soul and Concept Magic is just the manifestation of the will into reality, but the interesting part is that it could be done through a spell(mana) or divinity stone(solid mana), the only material that could handle Concept Magic.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What level of civilization did Hell, Ehit's world and machine world reached?

They reached the truth of their world(Ancient Magic), conquered the stars, created stellar travel, particles converting machine, discovered another universe and destroyed their world.

Is reaching the truth of the world and understanding its laws an intelligence feat?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

DMC vs Arifureta

Dante vs Badd

Dante (Reboot) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dante_(DMC_Reboot) Vs Badd Virtus https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Badd_Virtus Conditions: Equalized dimension Dante : Badd : Inconclusive :

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[Community_Gamer]

DMC vs Arifureta

Dante vs Badd

Dante (Reboot) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dante_(DMC_Reboot) Vs Badd Virtus https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Badd_Virtus Conditions: Equalized dimension Dante : Badd : Inconclusive :

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Yikes

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Yikes

What?

 

[Noneless21]

What?

DMC has 4D hax and resistance

so you're making a stomp match

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

DMC has 4D hax and resistance

so you're making a stomp match

It's a weird smurf case

Demonic Energy​

​

Demonic Energy, which is the main source of power of the demons in the verse, is 3D instead of 4D:

Since as shown in DMC5, which makes clear that the Demonic Power (The regular one) comes from human blood, which completely contradicts DWE and DE being the same, since DWE existed ever since DMC's genesys, when Pluto separated the Worlds, and demons getting fraction of powers from DWE still doesn't make DE 4D, since they are getting only a tiny portion of that energy and not everything.

So nothing is 4D?​

​

Nope, the characters only have this scale of hax if and only if they bypass resistances at that level. While the demons don't have the DWE, they still resist its effects, which give them some 4D resistances, which means, characters that can hax them even with them having resistance from DWE, should scale.

Demonic energy ≠ Demonic world energy

Should I equalize their hax dimension ?

 

[Noneless21]

It's a weird smurf case

Demonic energy ≠ Demonic world energy

Should I equalize their hax dimension ?

that'll be in F&G territory, which is not qualified to be added to the profile

in the end you're pretty much wasting time

not to mention the hax layer

 

[Community_Gamer]

What?

Just a odd matchup, it'd be a stomp of not for the smurf

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I changed it to F&G and equalized their hax

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Arifureta Profiles: Unknown

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:EL_xWatcher1234x/Unknown P&A: Immortality: type1: they don't age type2: they can fight normaly after recieving deatly injuries type3: they can regenerate type6: demons could replace their vessel like what they did in the machine world after their grim...

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I'll gather scans for demons and Unknown feats.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Unknown wasn't a fodder:

「Now that you mention it, I heard that guy said something about the fake kings had vanished~ or the like.」

「……Yes. I don’t know what kind of reason there is, but at present it seems there is no influence of the demon kings in hell. That must be the reason why the Unknown is moving. Perhaps he was also sealed, because he looks like he still cannot use his power fully……」

「……Nn. In that case, it means we might have to face famous demons too?」

「There is the possibility of that. Furthermore, the Unknown itself seems to rapidly grow in strength, perhaps because he is gaining strength from his drastically increasing believers.」

Claudia returned to her former quiet atmosphere and turned a straightforward gaze toward Kousuke, and then toward Yue.

「The next time Unknown shake the gap of worlds, I believe that it won’t be something incomplete like this time. Next time hell will be completely connected to this world. Powerful demons that obtain flesh body will descend to this world endlessly. In front of the power of miracle that was once called as the works of gods, modern weapon will be useless to resist them. We too won’t be able to win against the power of number. If the worlds are connected, that will mean――the destruction of the world, of the present society.」ch 313

Shaking the gap=weakening it.

Is it enough to prove that the one who shook the interval between Tortus and Hell was Ehit?

Also, it prove that there is multiple gaps and that their aura distort space.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Arifureta Profiles: Unknown

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:EL_xWatcher1234x/Unknown P&A: Immortality: type1: they don't age type2: they can fight normaly after recieving deatly injuries type3: they can regenerate type6: demons could replace their vessel like what they did in the machine world after their grim...

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I'll gather scans for demons and Unknown feats.

Why are you making a crt to add things to your sandbox? Just added them and later can ask for a review of the profile. And unless you calc his own feats or those of lower demons, or somehow make a strong argument of him scaling to other characters, then his ap would be unknown.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Why are you making a crt to add things to your sandbox?

Not adding anything just asking the fans thoughts about the profile. I ended up finding more informations while rereading the arc. Just ignore the thread for now until I finish collecting feats.

And unless you calc his own feats or those of lower demons, or somehow make a strong argument of him scaling to other characters, then his ap would be unknown.

Ok

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What do you think about this?

7DS Law and Concept manipulation:

「There is historical record that is only inherited by us in Omnibus. According to it, it seemed there were seven kings who were once reigning over the countries and nobles in another worldhell. It’s said that they can control even miracle that is effecting the foundations of the world, that is even further above the works of god.」

「……Foundations of the world?」

Yue’s eyes narrowed slowly. Claudia interpreted it as shock and she continued with a meek expression.

「Yes. But, it’s not just causing fire or wind. It’s an even greater power. It’s said that the closer a demon is to the lineage of king, the stronger the power they can use but……Unknown can also use similar kind of power.」

Such demons that possessed strength which had a line drawn from other demons seemed to be called as “king class”. ch313

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

What do you think about this?

What do you expect me to say or think? We already know they can use ancient magic, and? That doesn't give a tier for anything.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What do you expect me to say or think? We already know they can use ancient magic, and? That doesn't give a tier for anything.

I'm asking if Unknown should get Law and Concept manipulation. Do you think the scan could help prove that each realm has its own laws and concepts?

「Yes. But, it’s not just causing fire or wind. It’s an even greater power. It’s said that the closer a demon is to the lineage of king, the stronger the power they can use but……Unknown can also use similar kind of power.」

All those matter, soul, gravity, space... manipulator should get law and concept manipulation, and the higher their rank the stronger it is. Otherwise all they could do is elemental manipulation.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I'm asking if Unknown should get Law and Concept manipulation. Do you think the scan could help prove that each realm has its own laws and concepts?

It should be fine. As in different laws and concepts for all the realms? Or as in all of them have laws and concepts? Because the former is an absolute no and the latter is always the default assumption.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

As in different laws and concepts for all the realms? Or as in all of them have laws and concepts? Because the former is an absolute no and the latter is always the default assumption.

I'm still gathering evidence to prove there is different laws and concept for each realm.

1)Concept could'nt detect anything outside the nine realms, and can't work on someone from outside.

2)Ancient Magic could work on someone from outside the realms, the only condition is that they need to recognize its existence. Beings from other branches follow their own physics, laws and concepts.

3)Each world tree avatar's authority is equal to Concept magic, but limited to their realm. (each realm has a Concept type 1?)

4)Conception is limited to each realm, but the great trees are the one that connect it alongside connecting the realms.

5)We're not sure what happen in Ehit's world for now, but it could the best evidence to prove it.


IDK if this help, but when Hajime put the elemental spirit inside the treasure trove nature just grew inside as if their the source of nature.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Minor resistance for Kousuke:

Kousuke himself, if he didn’t have his trained tough body and the combat outfit he was wearing on his casual wear――the clothing artifact that was weaved with metallic fiber that provided various defensive abilities like stab-proof, bulletproof, cold resistance, heat resistance, impact resistance, and so on――he might be seriously wounded. ch 302

Does limit break and Abyss lord increase magic power?

Although Kousuke possessed some talent, he was originally a frontliner; in addition, he couldn’t manipulate magic power directly, and to add further, he didn’t even possess an abnormal amount of magic power. For him, the age of god magic called gravity magic was his trump card, but at the same time, it was also a magic that was too advanced with a bad usability for him.

Also, Kousuke’s flight time was only around thirty seconds though it would be a different story if he was in a Limit Break state or in the deepest state of Abyss Lord mode.

Once more he grumbled that the bride of the monster of the abyss was a monster as expected!, which he wouldn’t be able to say face to face, even while continuously activating gravity magic desperately. However, he finally detected the presence he was expectantly looking for as compensation for consuming magic power like crazy.

His remaining flight time was about ten-odd seconds, but his speed was that of someone freefalling. It was more than enough to close the distance of a few hundred meters.

Kousuke held his breath and shifted his mask in order to drink some recovery medicine during that time to recover from his body’s damage and magic power. And then, he took out a recovery medicine from the Treasure Warehouse and moved to drink it…… ch 303

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Why are you making a crt to add things to your sandbox? Just added them and later can ask for a review of the profile. And unless you calc his own feats or those of lower demons, or somehow make a strong argument of him scaling to other characters, then his ap would be unknown.

Check again, I've finished gathering scans.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Interested ?

Good Water User vs Bad Lightning User (Meiru vs Cole)

This either will not go anywhere or I will regret it, but this is a thematic match I wanted to do so meh. Meiru Melusine: 0 vs Cole MacGrath: 0 Second key for both characters. Speed equalized. 20 meters apart. Win by any means.

vsbattles.com

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

R.I.P

……When he was little, he started training because his father forced him. When he realized he was practicing “Kamehame*a” wholeheartedly at the garden. The times he performed “Fus*on” over and over with his father. And then the pain of jamming his finger……

There was a ton of memories. There was no way Hajime didn’t love a masterpiece among masterpieces that was renowned even all over the world. ch 495

Monster Hunter

──oOOOOOOOOONN!!

A gigantic beast as big as a large truck with two large horns and white fur and emerald green scale (?) jumped out from the right side while mowing down trees and foliage destructively.

Jinoug*-san!? Isn’t that Jin*uga-san!? Hajime’s mouth almost let that sentence out but, ch 494

──GAAAAAAA!!

The dumbfounded Hajime and co were witnessing them passing by and a shadow covering them from above──originating from a huge dragon with scales that were tinged red and tail that had thorns growing from it.

By the way, the Hyahha bunch were all carrying weapons on their backs that looked even bigger than themselves. The weapons had brusque appearance that looked like they were created from processed materials taken from the body of living creature.

「「「「「……」」」」」

Everything passed them by like a storm. Silence returned to the forest. Chi-chi-chi-chi- A small bird chirped and landed on Shia’s head. How cute.

I told you to call her to stop, Hajime couldn’t make that retort.

Nobody, could say it.

Suuu~~~~ Everyone took a deep breath. In order to settle down the confusion inside their chests.

But, for the time being, they at least wanted to say this.

Ryuutarou pointed at the left side where an impromptu animal trail had been mowed down leading deeper into the forest while turning only his head toward Hajime and asked.

「This world, it’s actually a real Monh*n world!?」 ch 494

She constantly continued to move to the optimum position using the combination of the large hummingbird lookalike and the elastic sticky tongue of the snake to dodge, dodge, and dodge like action movie scene using anchor wire.

In case she couldn’t make it even with that, or when her movement got predicted and she almost got hit just as she landed, a small animal that looked like porcupine would suddenly leap out from the grass and vibrated all of its needles, generating a horrific high-pitched sound that made the lightning horned beast flinched.

「Felyne-san!? Is that Felyne-san nano!?」

「M-my my-, Myuu! Calm down for a little! Look, you’re going to fall-」

Myuu got so excited and leaned forward too much that Remia mama had to hug her from behind. Just as she said, there were several creatures that looked like cat carrying equipment though they weren’t wearing any clothing, who would distract the lightning horned beast with superb timing.

An insect that looked like pillbug with wings would fly from who knew where and gushed dust around Dahlia, giving her figure protective coloration that made it very hard to see where she was.

There was also something like sleeping gas. A creature that looked like earthworm would flew out from the ground and spewed out gas that made the lightning horned beast’s consciousness hazy even if only briefly. ch 494

If we put them against a character from a famous Film, game, anime... Can we assume they're knowledgeable about their opponent ?

 

[Community_Gamer]

If we put them against a character from a famous Film, game, anime... Can we assume they're knowledgeable about their opponent ?

no

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I think Arifureta layers need a rework. How many layers are we at ?

 

[Community_Gamer]

I think Arifureta layers need a rework. How many layers are we at ?

Layers for hax in particular are you referring? Soul hax I assume?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Layers for hax in particular are you referring? Soul hax I assume?

Yes

We need to define the layers for all of their hax.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Hajime VS Absurrrrrd (0-0-0)

Hajime Nagumo(EOMS) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hajime_Nagumo VS Yomoji shinsei(1st key) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yomoji_Shinsei Hajime: Yomoji: Inconclusive:

vsbattles.com

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

How many layers do they have currently ?

Limit Break Users/Kouki Resistance (Limit Break do damage to the soul, so those that can use Limit Break will get their soul permanently damaged if their soul isn't strong enough[19]. Kouki is someone able to use Limit Break without problem) < Kouki Overload Resistance (Overload is the superior version of Limit Break that put a greater burden in the user[20]) < Eri/Apostles Dark Magic (Is an inferior version[21] of spirit magic, and people who can resist it[22] can't resist[23] spirit magic[24]. Additionally she could affect with her magic Kouki soul) Getting somewhere here < Normal Spirit Magic (spirit magic resist[25] dark magic) < Eddy Divine Edict (Paladins special magic[23] is superior[26] to other Atavists, and Divine Edict is a specially powerful[1] spirit magic that can affect[12] people who resist spirit magic[27]) Looks promosing < Eddy Maker Divine Edict < Apostleified Eddy Divine Edict (apostleification boost the strength of the user magic[12] [likely with evolution magic since it's done by Ehit himself] and the replicas of holy artifacts that they wield futher strengthen their magic) < Apostleified Eddy Maker Divine Edict[12] < Laus Barn Spirit Magic (Laus, even in a half dead state, can supress[26] the spirit magic of those apostleified Relevance?) < Zero Alva Divine Edict (Is needed the combined effort[25] of most Liberators to face him) < Zero Alvaheit Divine Edict < Zero Alva Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Zero Alvaheit Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Current Alva Divine Edict (Because of the technique that turn faith in power his current power is conceptually far above[28][29] than his Zero version Adding Conceptual doesnt change anything) < Current Alvaheit Divine Edict < Current Alva Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Current Alvaheit Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Zero Ehit Divine Edict (Ehit is conceptually superior to Alva and his Divine Edict[30] can't be resisted by those that resist Alvaheit Divine Edict) < Zero Ehitorujue Divine Edict < Zero Ehit Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Vol 6 Laus Barn Spirit Magic (By giving his all he was able to resist[12] Ehit Divine Edict) < Zero Ehitorujue Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Current Ehit Divine Edict < Current Ehitorujue Divine Edict < Current Ehit Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Current Ehitorujue Divine Edict with Evolution Magic < Soul Shell (Resist[31] Ehitorujue Divine Edict) < Yue Divine Edict (Is far above[32] Ehitorujue and can affect those that resist[33] Ehitorujue Divine Edict and with Soul Shell) < Post-Shadow Dragon Arc Yue Divine Edict (Her existence is conceptually stronger[34] than before do to dragon gods conception, and the more time pass the stronger her existence will become because of the conception)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Can we use ancient magic spells as an intelligence feats ?

Ex: The liberators understanding their magic(gravity, space, time...) and that how they reach its true potential, Oscar replicate the apostle disintegrating light through matter manipulation, Ryutarou understanding dragon transformation and replicate it, Yue learning from Ehit...and the more they understand it the better they get at it(through trial and error). I couldn't think of many examples.

I mean they don't just draw a circle and the magic happen. Each spell has a core(info) while other people do it mentally, which seem like reality warping.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Can we use ancient magic spells as an intelligence feats ?

We do use them for the intelligence sections of the characters, they are part of the reason why most of the characters are rated as genius.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Can someone check the scans I've gathered for Unknown's profile ?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Can someone check the scans I've gathered for Unknown's profile ?

Tomorrow I will try to look at it.