Dante vs Badd

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Dante (Reboot)

Dante (DMC Reboot)

The main character of "DmC: Devil May Cry", the Devil May Cry reboot, Dante is the son of a demon named Sparda and an angel named Eva. Dante grew up in various institutions, orphanages, youth correction facilities, and foster homes, but these were mostly operated by demons, and often resulted in...

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Badd Virtus

Badd Virtus was the vice-commander of the Liberators, the largest anti-church organization. He was famously known as the Knight Hunter, the church’s most wanted heretic. He was the enemy every knight feared, as over the past few decades, he’d slain hundreds of knights and never once been caught...

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Conditions: Equalized dimension


Dante :

Badd :

Inconclusive :

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Oscar has CM type 2 which Dante has no resistance to, and he is immune Dante's power null too, althought Dante can use his Fear Manip against Oscar which could be trouble. Tbh Oscar may take this

 

[Robo432343]

Dante having like more than 30 layers was recently accepted in the hax thread no?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Dante having like more than 30 layers was recently accepted in the hax thread no?

If so, Dante floors

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Dante having like more than 30 layers was recently accepted in the hax thread no?

Where?

 

[Robo432343]

Where?

This is what glass said: But I do think the general scaling chain for all the fodder tier demons and the boss demons with the scans to support their increase in demonic power is valid enough with the established evidence that more demonic power can overcome the abilities.

This is the layering, ignore the phantom part (that part is not accepted rn)
fodders < Low Tiers (empusas hierarchy < bael/dagon species < sin scissors < sin scrythes < 7 Deadly Sins < Death Scissors < Death Scythes < assaults < frost < Assaults < Blitz) < Mid Tiers (Cerberus < Agni & Rudra < Berial = Echidna < Nevan < Credo < Sanctus < Sparda Sanctus < Failed Savior <Nero < complete savior < Trish < Beowulf < Doppleganger < shadow < Phantom < Griffon < sealed mundus < Vergil < Arkham FE < Dante) < Top Tiers (all the sealed demon lords the Kirk family loldiffed with sparda < Baul < Modeus < Beastheads no host < Nightmare ) < God Tiers
(Pluto < Nelo < Abigail <Odin/Bolverk < Mundus = Argosax < Sparda < Void < Chen < Urizen < Dante = Vergil)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This is what glass said: But I do think the general scaling chain for all the fodder tier demons and the boss demons with the scans to support their increase in demonic power is valid enough with the established evidence that more demonic power can overcome the abilities.

This is the layering, ignore the phantom part (that part is not accepted rn)
fodders < Low Tiers (empusas hierarchy < bael/dagon species < sin scissors < sin scrythes < 7 Deadly Sins < Death Scissors < Death Scythes < assaults < frost < Assaults < Blitz) < Mid Tiers (Cerberus < Agni & Rudra < Berial = Echidna < Nevan < Credo < Sanctus < Sparda Sanctus < Failed Savior <Nero < complete savior < Trish < Beowulf < Doppleganger < shadow < Phantom < Griffon < sealed mundus < Vergil < Arkham FE < Dante) < Top Tiers (all the sealed demon lords the Kirk family loldiffed with sparda < Baul < Modeus < Beastheads no host < Nightmare ) < God Tiers
(Pluto < Nelo < Abigail <Odin/Bolverk < Mundus = Argosax < Sparda < Void < Chen < Urizen < Dante = Vergil)

Not all of them were accepted.

 

[Robo432343]

Not all of them were accepted.

that was all the way back in March 31st
More evidence was provided by then and then glass only ended up disagreeing with infinite layers and the phantom stuff
he literally posted this message yesterday
"You've provided more than enough evidence that with an increase in demonic energy, characters are able to fight off demonic powers easily when prior they couldn't. I still disagree with the infinite and countless layers for the demon world with void mundus since it's just taking a general statement of the energy being stronger and pushing it to the extreme without anymore explicit evidence. But I do think the general scaling chain for all the fodder tier demons and the boss demons with the scans to support their increase in demonic power is valid enough with the established evidence that more demonic power can overcome the abilities. The only thing I'm not too fond of is the whole Griffon > Phantom stuff since nothing in the scans really indicate Griffon being stronger, just that he's older unless DMC operates by Supernatural rule where Age=Power. Other than that, everything else with scans is relatively fine. The mid tier scaling you're gonna need to elaborate more with the DMC 3 bosses and some of 4 but the rest is fine."

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Oscar has CM type 2 which Dante has no resistance to, and he is immune Dante's power null too, althought Dante can use his Fear Manip against Oscar which could be trouble. Tbh Oscar may take this

Dante has resistances, check the demon phys page

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Dante has resistances, check the demon phys page

He has 0 resistance to CM lol, keep in mind DMC3 Pre DT is used here, thus only the Low tier demons resistances applies

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He has 0 resistance to CM lol, keep in mind DMC3 Pre DT is used here, thus only the Low tier demons resistances applies

Actually it's the Sparda heritage part but yeah, currently Pre DT only has the low tier phys stuff.

One day when we fix the phy page things will be different...

But yeah, 0 resistance for now

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

No resistance to info type 2 and power mimicry.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Does Dante have any 4D hax?

 

[Robo432343]

Does Dante have any 4D hax?

demonic energy is 4-D

 

[Tanin_iver]

He has 0 resistance to CM lol, keep in mind DMC3 Pre DT is used here, thus only the Low tier demons resistances applies

Fodder Demons have an unconventional resistance to getting their Concepts nuked, so there is that. Also Dante himself can manip concepts and due to the nature of the power system his potency and resistance is intertwined. Moreover, he can RE and adapt to CM if need be.

No resistance to info type 2 and power mimicry.

Don't see any Info 2 for Oscar anywhere in the profiles currently and the other is technique mimicry.

Does Dante have any 4D hax?

Yeah

Also, Dante has layered passives like Fear, Empathic manip

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Fodder Demons have an unconventional resistance to getting their Concepts nuked, so there is that.

They do?

Also Dante himself can manip concepts and due to the nature of the power system his potency and resistance is intertwined.

Manipulation doesn't mean he can resist it tho. At least not in this key.

Moreover, he can RE and adapt to CM if need be.

Probably. IDK how RE works anymore.

 

[Robo432343]

is the soul crush 4-D?
: The mere presence of demons causes despair, fear and insanity[49][50][51], Demonic aura can exert supernatural pressure on the victim, with an attempt to crush their soul and psyche.

 

[Tanin_iver]

They do?

Demons without names or their names being nuked still exist just fine.

Manipulation doesn't mean he can resist it tho. At least not in this key.


Probably. IDK how RE works anymore.

Dante/Sparda Kin has shown feats of adapting to all sorts of haxes and as long as its equivalent exists in the verse and is performed with DE it should be adaptable.

is the soul crush 4-D?

Yeah, DE itself is 4D for now

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Demons without names or their names being nuked still exist just fine.

oh shit u right... but we don't have that in the pages yet so better not use it until we make a thread ig

Dante/Sparda Kin has shown feats of adapting to all sorts of haxes and as long as its equivalent exists in the verse and is performed with DE it should be adaptable.

ik, just RE standards being weird and all that

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Demons without names or their names being nuked still exist just fine.

That's CM type 3 not 2

Dante/Sparda Kin has shown feats of adapting to all sorts of haxes and as long as its equivalent exists in the verse and is performed with DE it should be adaptable.

Did they adapt to Oscar's hax like Law, Concept type 2...

Don't see any Info 2 for Oscar anywhere in the profiles currently and the other is technique mimicry.

His power mimicry work throuh analyzing info type 2 then incorporating those hax into artifacts. This something he could do mid fight.

He can analyze info type 2 to understand something but can't manipulate it.


I'm changing this to F&G and equalizing dimension.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I'm changing this to F&G and equalizing dimension.

Done

 

[Tanin_iver]

That's CM type 3 not 2

Did they adapt to Oscar's hax like Law, Concept type 2...

Yeah, demons already resist law hax and concept nuking, so they are not very useful for this battle. Moreover, Dante can also adapt to any hax as long as its equivalent root power exist in verse(in this case CM2).
For example take this guy who is able to create and control his world, imagining/writing and willing everything that happens, capable of granting any wish to the people there and create and manipulate the rules of the world. He can impose a role on other people and control them, like he tried with Dante, but Dante even though he had no prior experience of handling such a hax, Dante just adapted and lol noped him.

His power mimicry work through analyzing info type 2 then incorporating those hax into artifacts. This something he could do mid fight.

He can analyze info type 2 to understand something but can't manipulate it.

So his Info Analysis can analyze Info 2 and he uses that for Power Mimicry, ok.

Well anyways, how is Oscar going to manage against Dante's layered passives?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Yeah, demons already resist law hax and concept nuking, so they are not very useful for this battle. Moreover, Dante can also adapt to any hax as long as its equivalent root power exist in verse(in this case CM2).
For example take this guy who is able to create and control his world, imagining/writing and willing everything that happens, capable of granting any wish to the people there and create and manipulate the rules of the world. He can impose a role on other people and control them, like he tried with Dante, but Dante even though he had no prior experience of handling such a hax, Dante just adapted and lol noped him.

Why people don't mention this in his matches?

So his Info Analysis can analyze Info 2 and he uses that for Power Mimicry, ok.

Well anyways, how is Oscar going to manage against Dante's layered passives?

Passives will be a problem. Can we replace Dante with someone less layered?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What about ignoring layers so we can have a match?

 

[Tanin_iver]

Why people don't mention this in his matches?

Idk, depends on the person, the circumstances of the match-up, what people are arguing and what are the specific haxes they have to deal with. In our case I simply explained the mechanisms of how things work in the verse and how versatile and adaptable Dante is. The stuff obviously need to be indexed better and we have plans to tackle all of the stuff eventually.
Even now the funny shit is that the current Tiers for Dante should actually be Tier 7 for his Tier 8 key, likely Tier 4 for his Tier 7 key and possibly Tier 2 for his Tier 4 key.

Passives will be a problem. Can we replace Dante with someone less layered?

I mean the other Tier 7 peeps will have basically the same layers, and what we have left is Tier 8 peeps in the wiki but even they would have like half a dozen layers.

What about ignoring layers so we can have a match?

And even if u pick fodders who are not even indexed in the wiki or heck just anybody with Demon Phys even if we ignore their layers, they have Madness Type 3 hax which causes people to gouge out their eyeballs, eat them and also un-alive themselves with just their presence. And I dont see Oscar resisting Madness Type 3.

So unfortunately it will end up with stomp matches from what I can see against most DMC characters.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What about The reboot version?

 

[Tanin_iver]

What about The reboot version?

Ok, sure, but he is a bit less haxxed.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Ok, sure, but he is a bit less haxxed.

Changed it

 

[Tanin_iver]

Changed it

Now Oscar might stomp, as Reboot Dante doesn't have much resistances. What does Oscar start with?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Now Oscar might stomp, as Reboot Dante doesn't have much resistances. What does Oscar start with?

Analyzing his abilities and projectiles, basically keep it safe

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Can you check the verse to find a good match?

 

[Tanin_iver]

Analyzing his abilities and projectiles, basically keep it safe

So Dante can at best kill him if he gets a hit? Other than that there don't even seem to be much wincons for Dante

Can you check the verse to find a good match?

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Arifureta and Idk many characters or where they even scale.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What about Badd? (1st or 2nd key)

 

[Tanin_iver]

What about Badd? (1st or 2nd key)

Yeah the 1st Key looks good, 2nd key he is City Level+ and also has power null which Dante may not have an answer to.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Yeah the 1st Key looks good, 2nd key he is City Level+ and also has power null which Dante may not have an answer to.

Done

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The scythe can absorb magical energy and spells then resend them. How is that going to work on Dante ?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That's gonna work alright on his ass. Dante doesn't have many resistances.

The question is how likely it is to happen? Dante doesn't stand there OG style to let stuff happen to him.