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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
Actually there was chants for barriers before chapter 223. During BOS but it was not touched until Gojo vs Sukuna started gege might have didn't wanted to touch that before.
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I'm aware things like veils have a default hand sign and incantation. The real question is about extra steps and why more people don't abuse them to boost their technqiues
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
It was a gamble to fire the world cutting slash. Doesn't mean he was successful in enacting all three requirements
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That doesn't make any sense.
At that point in time Sukuna was so weakened that a cleave to the head only served to stagger Yuta. A cleave.
There's no way a chant alone would be enough to make a dismantle cut clean through a fully reinforced Yuta who was expecting the attack.
Not only are we told his plan to fire a World Cutting Dismantle, we see him do the point that is required to send off the slash at the end and the chants.
Its perfectly reasonable to assume he cut his hands free and then did the handsign in the short period Yuji tried to commune with Megumi's soul.
 
Arkenis said:
So its just about being better in close combat? Is there something else scaling him to Gojo
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It's really not about anything except Miguel scaling to Gojo AND Gojo in jjk0 = current Gojo.

Gojo is basically saying that MIguel has that unknown crazy build, and because of that he's scarrier than Japanese sorcerers, and he would beat him in point combat without a cursed technique.

Rosa said:
I've seen several interpretations of the Miguel statement (one being the statement is in reference to skill since in the page prior Gojo mentions Miguel's unique way at using CE reinforcement, another being that it references just raw stats given how it's worded, another being that it's just referencing endurance) so I'm just going to wait until we get further clarification and feats to make any concrete scaling.
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literally not what it's talking about. Gojo is talking about his muscles + CE reinforcement... he's blatantly talking about stats, and how in a fight he would lose to Miguel under that context...

Gojo mentions Miguel's unique way at using CE reinforcement
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This is the most absurd cope I've heard. Gojo isn't saying he has skill and hence uses special CE reinforcement, he's saying his build + CE reinforcement = broken asf because he's making a racist statement. He's not talking about Miguel's skill and praising it, he's talking about Miguel's body and saying that + CE > other people + CE because of his "rare build.

Duedate8898 said:
It's not that Gege was trying to say Gojo wasn't on Sukuna's level, Gojo clearly shows and says himself multiple times his power is actually greater than Sukunas. And the story never tries to negate that fact, seeing as Sukuna is still dealing with the aftereffects so long after.
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Sukuna doesn't use many of his major techniques which would've been of insane advantage vs Gojo. I'd say its' more, he wanted to beat Gojo this specific way hence he didn't use certain things like the black box which we know can one shot comparable opponents. My guess based on Uraume saying that none of them have forced Sukuna to go all out based on his CE is that he's got a specific technique or something which he only uses to go all out. Uraume doesn't have a way to tell like the percentage of his power he's using, and to be like "ah he's only using 40% right now," the only way he would know is via sensing the technique.

I think it might be the same for Gojo, and hence Gojo calls out the use of the same technique.

M3X_2.0 said:
I mean, what it even means that Sukuna wasn’t going all out against Gojo? I’m pretty sure that’s technique-wise and not stats, but even then, what was he gonna do? Use Flames just to get negged by Infinity?
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Put the flames into the sure-hit or something like that, since the black box technique is just another application of Shrine, and not a CT reversal or something like that
 
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Woomica said:
Nah entire jjk is plot induced stupidity and bad writing and gege is a entire trolling for entire world
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Gege has fumbled quite a few, colossal number of times (Already made a point or two about the women) he still cooked quite the feast up to Shibuya and I'm still here, seeing what's in store
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
This is the most absurd cope I've heard. Gojo isn't saying he has skill and hence uses special CE reinforcement, he's saying his build + CE reinforcement = broken asf because he's making a racist statement. He's not talking about Miguel's skill and praising it, he's talking about Miguel's body and saying that + CE > other people + CE because of his "rare build.
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To explain more on this:

Gojo says what's crazy about Miguel is "that build" and he goes on to explain:

"add a cursed energy buff to these guys (?) physiques and muscle mass, which are crazy rare in japan, and the result is pretty menacing"

Nowhere does he mention "ah, Miguel's crazy skill at CE reinforcement, dang," he mentions Miguel's body itself combined with CE reinforcement is scary to him.

When Yuta asks what he means by the menacing combination of "these guys physiques and muscle mass" + "cursed energy buff" being "pretty menacing," and if it applies to him / if it's a threat to him


He explains Miguel would win in a "sprint" (TCB) or "Point movement"


This is clearly talking about in response to the CE reinforcement + the crazy rare physiques and muscle mass combo which he said was scary. It's consistent because he's saying that such a thing would be a threat to him, and then explains why it'd be a threat, because he'd lose in point movement w/o cursed techniques. To fully put the nail in the coffin, the build + CE buff has nothing to do with being skilled, as that has no relation to your build. However, the result does factor in your muscle mass, as with equal skill and CE buff, muscle mass makes the difference here.
 
My point about CE reinforcement was based on the early translations when it was raws, I guess they were wrong. Though I never said that's the position I hold, just it's an interpretation I've seen, writing entire paragraphs about how I'm engaging in "absurd cope" is a bit much 😭
 
Chapter 256 probably starts with speed amp, Gojo is explaining why black flash cant be used on will and hes saying if its just about applying CE within 0.000001s i can aim for that and pull black flashes off but blah blah blah

However i used google translate so theres a high chance its not talking about this lmao
 
YukaSama4 said:
Chapter 256 probably starts with speed amp, Gojo is explaining why black flash cant be used on will and hes saying if its just about applying CE within 0.000001s i can aim for that and pull black flashes off but blah blah blah

However i used google translate so theres a high chance its not talking about this lmao
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Gege might be threatening my Bf crt 🥸
 
LOOOL:

The way Gege draws Satoru NOW has more aura. How he drew Fish-boy Gojo didn't look cool, but this style of Gojo where he doesn't look like a mouth breather looks better
 
Anyone else tired of these random flashbacks to conveniently explain or flesh out a concept that should've just been given to us in real time?
 
Rosa said:
@Guacamolefletcher waiting on my apology for all those black flash debates we had now that I'm vindicated 🥱
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How are you vindicated? It literally confirms what I think.

BTW the debate he's talking about is I said BF is 1 millionth of a second, so Gojo can't be drastically faster and FTL, while he thinks Gojo is FTL
 
Just saw a tweet about how Gojo says there is no definitive way to activate it and says he goes all out when he imbues his punches with ct. The ultimate requirement, as we always knew is that extreme concentration must be met
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
How are you vindicated? It literally confirms what I think.

BTW the debate he's talking about is I said BF is 1 millionth of a second, so Gojo can't be drastically faster and FTL, while he thinks Gojo is FTL
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Gojo literally said if BF was ONLY the timeframe then it wouldn't be difficult to pull them off, but BF requires additional things down to even one's environmental factors like temperature and humidity. How can you possibly think this is still an anti-feat for Gojo's speed?
 
Rosa said:
Gojo literally said if BF was ONLY the timeframe then it wouldn't be difficult to pull them off, but BF requires additional things down to even one's environmental factors like temperature and humidity. How can you possibly think this is still an anti-feat for Gojo's speed?
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yo?
 
rough translation !

黒閃」は 呪力と打撃の誤差が0.00001 以内だと くろかみ 発生する空間の歪み なんだけど
The 'Black Flash' is a distortion in space where the margin of error between cursed power and physical impact is within 0.00001
これ おち 僕はちょっと 説明不足だと 思ってる せつめいぶそく っていうか 種がそれだけなら 僕は狙って出せる
Regarding this, I think there's a bit of a lack of explanation. Or rather, if it's just that, I can aim and bring it out
例えば正拳に 呪力を籠めて げき 打撃を 繰り出したとする
For example, let's say you concentrate cursed power into a straight punch and deliver a blow
そこに 籠められた呪力は じゅりっく ①拳を強化する呪力 あいて じゅりょく ②相手にぶつける呪力 ③その両方を担う呪力 に分けられるんだけど
The cursed power concentrated there can be divided into (1) Cursed power to enhance the fist, (2) Cursed power to strike the opponent, and (3) Cursed power that fulfills both roles
ミートのタイミング だけじゃなく このブレンドによっても 「」は出たり 出なかったりする
Not only the timing of the strike, but also whether 'it' appears or not depends on this blend
そして このブレンド加減も その時の環境によって 化するんだよ 相手の呪力とか 自分の肉体の ・デーションとか
And this blend also changes depending on the environment at that time, such as the opponent's cursed power or the condition of one's own body
これ言うと 笑われるんだけど 実は気温や湿度も 関係あると思ってるよ 「黒閃」は空間の 話でもあるしね
I might get laughed at for saying this, but I actually think temperature and humidity also play a role. 'Black Flash' is also about the space, after all
ようこくせよ 要は「黒閃」の 発生条件には これっていう正解が ないんだよね
In essence, there's no definitive answer to the conditions for the occurrence of 'Black Flash'
それに僕は 本気でやるとき 打撃に術式を絡めるし そうなるともう 「黒閃」は僕でも 運次第って感じ
Moreover, when I'm serious, I incorporate techniques into my strikes, so at that point, 'Black Flash' feels like it's dependent on luck even for me
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
yo?
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don’t get hyped up, this is coming from this guy:
He thinks Yuji is 16x piercing blood speed in Shibuya:
Gojo, even as a kid, was leagues above Awasaka [ch96 p9 - 10] along with being implied to be the strongest in the world upon birth, [ch96 p11 + Fanbook p101 - Translation] and Awasaka, who hadn't gotten any stronger since that point, [ch96 p14] was able to hit and damage Yuji despite being in a 2v1 fight. [ch96 p13] This same Yuji is stated to be faster and more agile than Maki, [ch48 p10] with Maki being capable of catching Mai's bullets at point blank range [ch42 p13 - 14] via moving at mach 27 speeds, with these bullets being created [ch42 p13] and empowered with cursed energy. [ch18 p2] This is consistent as this same Yuji was capable of reacting at point blank range to Choso's piercing blood, [ch103 p5 - 6] which can exceed the speed of sound [ch101 p12 + Fanbook p153] and the one Yuji dodged being shown to travel at mach 1.6 [ch103 p5] to potentially mach 2.6, [ch135 p4] though even if we assume Choso's piercing blood only moves at mach 1 speeds, Yuji must've been moving at over mach 16 speeds - potentially mach 27 speeds if we include Yuji's forward motion into the timeframe and not just the evasion of it.
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He thinks it’s valid to say Yuji is subrel here:
possibly Sub-Relativistic (Yuji is able to cross a substantial distance to hit Hanami within the time frame of a black flash (0.000001 seconds), [ch48 p16 - 18] requiring speeds equal to 1.2% the speed of light)
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He thinks cursed spirit Naoya = Mach 35.2
This same Toji is equal to Maki in speed [ch198 p19] with that same Maki being capable of moving faster than cursya, [ch197 p11 - 12] the same cursya who can reach speeds of mach 35.2, [ch191 p10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14] and is capable of traversing a battlefield at mach 64 speeds when clashing with Sukuna
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Gojo at least mhs+ likely ftl
At least Massively Hypersonic +, likely Faster Than Light
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todo is just a “normal grade 1 sorcerer” for having a “53k IQ” and it’s likely Gojo has more than a 53k IQ because of it
likely Extraordinary Genius (Due to the prior statements and feats, he should be smarter than regular grade 1 sorcerers who possess an IQ of 53,000 [ch50 p5])
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He hasn’t been known to provide reasonable interpretations when it comes to speed OR AP OR translations OR anything that would radically upscale the verse
 
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