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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Sir_sun_man said:
I mean good luck, I would not hold my breath.

(I personally feel that the hyper+ feat of sukuna blitzing piercing blood is more conistent with the overall power of the verse but hey, this wouldn't be the highest speed change a verse had in under a chapter)
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I mean with the BF cap gone we cant just leave it, we need to discuss it and come to a conclusion even if it leans towards disagree we will know why. I figure that the Hypersonic+ feat will work better but we will see, I'm quick to jump at opportunities
 
Arkenis said:
No not "cus fiction" You'd have a point if in verse the society at large knew how physically capable sorcerers were and adapted to that with better technology.
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dude, what are you even talking about?

I said that there are dozens of examples of shonen where a character that has multiple feats of MHS+ gets tagged by something that wouldn't even reach supersonic, what are you even talking about with the tech angle? bullets by basic physics (unless they use railgun tech) can't reach beyond hyper+.

Also piercing blood doesn't have a cap on its speed, since ya know if ya compress it more it will be more potent and quicker, so whats to stop anyone from argueing that sukuna simply did just that with his massively higher CE and CE efficency and compressed the water far more then choso could hope to?
 
GunshyFever said:
Doubt it, that Hakari calc has way too many issues and outliers to be used this is pretty much only good news for anyone named Gojo, Sukuna & Kashimo
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Not really, the biggest issue was the black flash limit on speed, which is gone. Even if we go with the other versions that increase the distance between Hakari and the lightning, still accounting that it's lightning speed, it all comes out at varying degrees of MHS
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I said that there are dozens of examples of shonen where a character that has multiple feats of MHS+ gets tagged by something that wouldn't even reach supersonic, what are you even talking about wiht the tech angle? bullets by basic physics (unless they use railgun tech) can't reach beyond hyper+.
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My point is simple: In a verse where the society knows the characters are physically advanced, the conclusion that weaponry would have been advanced as well follows to compensate for it. Bullets can be any speed depending on the context of the verse is my point. The same way arrows can be ftl or mhs or immeasurable speed in a verse against such characters.

Sir_sun_man said:
Also piercing blood doesn't have a cap on its speed, since ya know if ya compress it more it will be more potent and quicker, so whats to stop anyone from argueing that sukuna simply did just that with his massively higher CE and CE efficency and compressed the water far more then choso could hope to?
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The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
 
gojo realizing he can finally blitz yor forger after this chapter
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Arkenis said:
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
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I don't care about both of your arguments. Just want to address your misconceptions. It was never stated top speed is supersonic.
BLOOD MANIPULATION (赤血操術 - sekketsu sōjutsu)
The Kamo clan’s inherited technique of manipulating blood.

A technique that allows the user to manipulate and attack with blood reinforced with cursed energy. It’s possible to create a myriad of moves by combining techniques from Blood Manipulation, like Piercing Blood, which takes the blood that was compressed using Convergence, and then launches it at the opponent at supersonic speeds.
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— Panel caption: The greater the pressure exerted by Convergence, the greater the speed and strength of Piercing Blood will be.
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Arkenis said:
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the cascase
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This point is mute as not all compression levels are the same. That's why we have Kamo rave about Choso being able to compress it so much. Characters have also also grown significantly unless you think Choso's PB is still as weak as it was in Shibuya. And no Sukuna doesn't magical compress it more, he compresses it more because he is a highly intelligent CE user who's overall peaks are significantly more higher than others, hence why his PB would be faster and stronger as he is stronger and who have a greater compressing limit.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Hey Sukuna dodges PB from close range while Yuji was holding him down. Miya don't know what is supernova and PB 😭
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Nah the perspective on that shot is weird as hell cause top panel makes it look like Choso is right on top of him meanwhile the next panel makes it look like the piercing blood was shot from the ceiling lol. Also Yuji and Choso just entirely missing in the next panel despite Choso literally falling

Still calcable but I just thought it was weird as hell
 
I don't see low - high tiers of the verse beating Supersonic but yet again I'm rooting for Gojo, Kashimo and Sukuna. I have a feeling those three will get the rating more than others would
 
Arkenis said:
You're forgetting everything else M3x brought up in his crt for it. Go reread the crt, it wasn't even about bf alone
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Yeah like finally @SunDaGamer commented on BF cap. The main reason was because it was around 5 times of the BF cap or something as far as I remember. Initial arguments were still in discussion. The thread got concluded because of speed cap for BF.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Yeah like finally @SunDaGamer commented on BF cap. The main reason was because it was around 5 times of the BF cap or something as far as I remember. Initial arguments were still in discussion. The thread got concluded because of speed cap for BF.
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He mentioned that Hakari dodging lightning is an outlier due to the fact that if you calc the feat it ends up with Hakari being over 5x faster than the lightning he struggles to dodge, if Hakari truly had these perception speeds he wouldn't have let the lightning get that close. Adding to the outlier the initial dodge is 5x lightning speed makes Kashimo's move set look stupid for having him land 5 physical punches to throw an attack that's x6 slower than his regular combat speed
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Nah the perspective on that shot is weird as hell cause top panel makes it look like Choso is right on top of him meanwhile the next panel makes it look like the piercing blood was shot from the ceiling lol. Also Yuji and Choso just entirely missing in the next panel despite Choso literally falling

Still calcable but I just thought it was weird as hell
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Now you mentioned it. Yeah that shot looks weird.

May be they are in mid air?
 
Arkenis said:
My point is simple: In a verse where the society knows the characters are physically advanced, the conclusion that weaponry would have been advanced as well follows to compensate for it. Bullets can be any speed depending on the context of the verse is my point. The same way arrows can be ftl or mhs or immeasurable speed in a verse against such characters.
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my good fellow the counter point is even simpler: Physics

Bullets can go as fast as you can prappel them, the mechanism of prappeling them is what makes most situations where MHS+ characters get tagged by them make no sense, if we see a muzzle flash before the bullet leaves the gun that means that the mechanism is gun powder explosions or explosions in general and that leaves a massive issue for anything beyond hyper+ as explosions can't really travel faster than 25 mach.

and that leaves out other shit like early naruto characters (who have hyper+ and even MHS speed feats) getting tagged by sound waves or well about another 20+ verses with MHS+ to FTL characters getting tagged by sound waves or sound based attacks, how does that happen? cuse its ******* fiction and writers are not power scalers and don't know in most cases that a ******* lighting bolt is considerably faster than sound.
Arkenis said:
The fact the compression is already stated to be done to its limit. The only way you could dance around this is by arguing Sukuna magically can compress it even more which you have zero to show from the manga that being the case.
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yeah blood... is sukuna using blood?
 
GunshyFever said:
He mentioned that Hakari dodging lightning is an outlier due to the fact that if you calc the feat it ends up with Hakari being over 5x faster than the lightning he struggles to dodge, if Hakari truly had these perception speeds he wouldn't have let the lightning get that close. Adding to the outlier the initial dodge is 5x lightning speed makes Kashimo's move set look stupid for having him land 5 physical punches to throw an attack that's x6 slower than his regular combat speed
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I forgot most of the arguments, but if what you are saying is true, the point wouldn't change because there are still arguments made in favor of keeping the MHS feat.
  • Combat speed and travel speed are different things.
  • The Hakari balance was messed up by Kashimo before firing the shot.
  • Also, Sure Hit affects.
Well, I don't want to continue MHS arguments here on the wiki. It would just create another 5 pages of discussion. I will wait for the manga to end before I can see if it falls under outlier or a solid feat.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I forgot most of the arguments but if what you are saying is true the point wouldn't change as. There are still arguments made in favour of keeping MHS feat.
  • Combat speed and travel speed are different things.
  • Hakari balance was messed up by Kashimo before firing the shot
  • Also sure hit affects.
Well I don't want to continue MHS arguments here in wiki. It would just create another 5 pages of discussion. I will wait for Manga to end before I can see if it falls under outlier or a solid feat.
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I agree honestly, You and Sun Sun are cooking, I'm starting to see the Rel+ being accepted in the near future if not bare minimum Hyper+
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Nah the perspective on that shot is weird as hell cause top panel makes it look like Choso is right on top of him meanwhile the next panel makes it look like the piercing blood was shot from the ceiling lol. Also Yuji and Choso just entirely missing in the next panel despite Choso literally falling

Still calcable but I just thought it was weird as hell
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honestly not really, choso who just jumped over sukuna fires PB, it pushes him upwards (kinda like that one scene in the anime) and we can't see yuji for two reasons, one sukuna is blocking part of that view with his back and two here is a massive amount of debris due to PB
 
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