Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[EldemadeDityjon]

IMO the whole powerscaling thing here went to hell the moment gege tried to say Gojo wasn't on Sukuna's level or that Sukuna was holding back or some other shit like that when the guy literally made Gojo ragdoll Sukuna, Mahoraga and Agito. It has been on a downhill since then.

Agito is mocked as a mindless one-trick phony. While Mahoraga was the only one interacting with Gojo, it still needed commands from Sukuna. Sukuna was within the shadows for 90% of the chapter. That fight was Gojo fighting Shikigami's more than him fighting 3 vs 1. Not to mention Gege literally states Gojo got his RCT output back with Second BF. He also had BF zone before fighting Agito and Mahoraga. Not saying Sukuna >>>>> Gojo. But they are on the same footing even without Mahoraga, and Sukuna really trying with DA. It's not power scaling gone to hell. Gojo fan girls can't just accept reality, that's all.

Sukuna literally had to steal the 10S and play defensive keeping Big Ragga safe until he could get a way to bypass infinity and even then that almost got him killed.

This is incorrect for many reasons. Gege or Sukuna never once mentioned Sukuna stole TS to kill Gojo. Even when Sukuna set his eyes on Megumi, he didn't know about Mahoraga.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

IMO the whole powerscaling thing here went to hell the moment gege tried to say Gojo wasn't on Sukuna's level or that Sukuna was holding back or some other shit like that when the guy literally made Gojo ragdoll Sukuna, Mahoraga and Agito. It has been on a downhill since then.

Sukuna literally had to steal the 10S and play defensive keeping Big Ragga safe until he could get a way to bypass infinity and even then that almost got him killed.

Gege was definitely not trying to play it like Gojo isn't on Sukuna's level

 

[M3X_2.0]

I mean, what it even means that Sukuna wasn’t going all out against Gojo? I’m pretty sure that’s technique-wise and not stats, but even then, what was he gonna do? Use Flames just to get negged by Infinity?

That Gojo statement is simply bs until Gege gives more context on that.

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

SSK has CE Miguel can just easily dodge that and the fact his CQC is even praised by Gojo.

SSK is just wanked at this point. It's not dangerous if it can't hit others.

Bossman, Miguel is not dodging every attack from Maki. He is not sukuna

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Yuji does pushed back Sukuna but speed I'm not sure he is still on same level as Sukuna. Maki just does a sneak attack nothing else previous chapters she was getting blitzed. Miguel damaged Sukuna while completely blocking his attack. He also casually dodges amped dismantles casually which maki barely does it on time.

Both Maki and Yuji are going to scale to Miguel this chapter

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is incorrect for many reasons. Gege or Sukuna never once mentioned Sukuna stole TS to kill Gojo. Even when Sukuna set his eyes on Megumi, he didn't know about Mahoraga.

It is correct that Sukuna planned to take Megumi as a vessel from the beginning. However, once he realizes Mahoraga's main ability, he says that Megumi has "shown him the way." There is only one thing to take away from that

 

[Rosa]

Sukuna holding back was in context with Sukuna not using his own CT but instead using an overall more inferior CT to fight due to that CT simply being a better counter for Gojo specifically, so Sukuna wasn't fighting at his best but that's not because he didn't need or was holding back in the traditional sense. It's why Gojo speculates on if he'd win or not if Sukuna didn't use 10 Shadows after discussing Sukuna not using all his power.

This notion that Sukuna is MASSIVELY above Gojo despite Gojo being such a significant opponent that Sukuna will remember him for life, Sukuna was scared of losing for the first time in 1,000 years, Sukuna was pushed to brain damage and being hit by a near-fatal HP, etc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Both Maki and Yuji are going to scale to Miguel this chapter

People are going insane if they think the physically gifted character is not getting feats that put her among the other physically gifted characters.

Maki is obviously scaling to Yuji and Miguel next chapter. People always purposefully ignore that she fought the strongest Sukuna yet after Gojo. Dude was NOT holding back.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I’ll be there for your downfall when Maki gets better feats than Miguel.

I would still bet on these guys

 

[M3X_2.0]

Maki was the only one to cause significant damage on Sukuna in the same chapter

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

People are going insane if they think the physically gifted character is not getting feats that put her among the other physically gifted characters.

Maki is obviously scaling to Yuji and Miguel next chapter. People always purposefully ignore that she fought the strongest Sukuna yet after Gojo. Dude was NOT holding back.

strongest sukuna after Gojo

sukuna who literally got nerfed by Yuji's punches several times and took a Jacob's Ladder to the face

bruh

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Only one I be doubting is Yuji till he gets that MC spotlight

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I mean, what it even means that Sukuna wasn’t going all out against Gojo? I’m pretty sure that’s technique-wise and not stats, but even then, what was he gonna do? Use Flames just to get negged by Infinity?

That Gojo statement is simply bs until Gege gives more context on that.

Physically & CE Reinforcements and output they are comparable.
Gojo had upper hand because of Blue (which is CT). Sukuna does has Wincon without Mahogara. Just destroy Gojos domain barriers. Gojo himself states he was taking Risker Path. Gojo thinking Sukuna would have mostly won may be because of this. I don't know why everyone just nitpicks instants Gojo doing better and ignores important points where Sukuna had chances.

 

[M3X_2.0]

sukuna who literally got nerfed by Yuji's punches several times and took a Jacob's Ladder to the face

Forgot to mention he was not holding back against her and Maki forced him to go all out. Made dude hit a Black Flash because he locked in.

The same Black Flash that Maki ate (unless given further context to that, fvck yall LMAO) and came back as nothing has happened.

Same Maki who’s gonna fight Sukuna after hitting 2 Black Flashes and regaining output, it seems.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maki was the only one to cause significant damage on Sukuna in the same chapter

Sneak attack and SSK dura neg

 

[M3X_2.0]

Only one I be doubting is Yuji till he gets that MC spotlight

Gege is purposefully not giving Yuji any spotlight so he can get everything when his time comes… he’s gonna pull the Mahito move on Sukuna.

Make this mf cry for his life for the love of God.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sneak attack and SSK dura neg

Not a sneak attack because SSK makes her detectable…. And she’s just her…

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not a sneak attack because SSK makes her detectable…. And she’s just her…

Well Yuji had Sukuna's attention. It's not about it getting detected or not he was clearly talking to Yuji in Mid Combat.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Forgot to mention he was not holding back against her and Maki forced him to go all out. Made dude hit a Black Flash because he locked in.

The same Black Flash that Maki ate (unless given further context to that, fvck yall LMAO) and came back as nothing has happened.

Same Maki who’s gonna fight Sukuna after hitting 2 Black Flashes and regaining output, it seems.

Sukuna going all out against Maki doesn't mean much when he was heavily nerfed from his fight with Yuta. Just because he isn't holding back doesn't mean he is stronger than before, if anything he is way weaker than he was prior to his fight with Yuta and Yuji.

Maki didn't eat that black flash, she was literally out of the fight for 2 chapters and only joined at the very end of this one, moreover it isn't like she is gonna throw hands alone against Sukuna, she is getting help from Yuji (who can still nerf Sukuna again), Miguel (another of those "Gojo level" characters we keep getting lmao), Choso and probably Laure if he survives that BF.

I'm not denying that she is a beast or that she is strong as hell, I'm just stating the facts and the facts here show that Maki isn't on the level you think she is.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Well Yuji had Sukuna's attention. It's not about it getting detected or not he was clearly talking to Yuji in Mid Combat.

Still, Maki was nowhere to be seen and the page cuts to her cutting his hand off. SSK makes her detectable and was Sukuna ever caught off guard while giving someone else attention?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Physically & CE Reinforcements and output they are comparable.
Gojo had upper hand because of Blue (which is CT). Sukuna does has Wincon without Mahogara. Just destroy Gojos domain barriers. Gojo himself states he was taking Risker Path. Gojo thinking Sukuna would have mostly won may be because of this. I don't know why everyone just nitpicks instants Gojo doing better and ignores important points where Sukuna had chances.

In this instance, Gojo isn't specifically thinking Sukuna would win through this. He's wondering why Sukuna hadn't tried destroying the barrier from the inside. And given Gojo specifically calls this out, he obviously wouldn't make it easy for Sukuna

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Bossman, Miguel is not dodging every attack from Maki. He is not sukuna

He should

Both Maki and Yuji are going to scale to Miguel this chapter

I would say Yuji already displayed better feats so far.

It is correct that Sukuna planned to take Megumi as a vessel from the beginning. However, once he realizes Mahoraga's main ability, he says that Megumi has "shown him the way." There is only one thing to take away from that

Sukuna character lives for Jujutsu. I don't think shown him the way indicates to Gojo when it can also mean he wants to try out Mahoraga to improve his CT.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Sukuna going all out against Maki doesn't mean much when he was heavily nerfed from his fight with Yuta. Just because he isn't holding back doesn't mean he is stronger than before, if anything he is way weaker than he was prior to his fight with Yuta and Yuji.

Maki didn't eat that black flash, she was literally out of the fight for 2 chapters and only joined at the very end of this one, moreover it isn't like she is gonna throw hands alone against Sukuna, she is getting help from Yuji (who can still nerf Sukuna again), Miguel (another of those "Gojo level" characters we keep getting lmao), Choso and probably Laure if he survives that BF.

I'm not denying that she is a beast or that she is strong as hell, I'm just stating the facts and the facts here show that Maki isn't on the level you think she is.

His amped Dismantle still took out Yuta so he was much stronger. Sukuna fighting harder against Maki is definitely worth something

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

His amped Dismantle still took out Yuta so he was strong enough to still be a grave threat. Sukuna fought harder against Maki for what it's worth

World Splitting Dismantle*

Yeah, not denying the second part, just explaining that it isn't as impressive as ya'll thinkg. It's pretty much Kashimo "forcing" Sukuna to heal again

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

In this instance, Gojo isn't specifically thinking Sukuna would win through this. He's wondering why Sukuna hadn't tried destroying the barrier from the inside. And given Gojo specifically calls this out, he obviously wouldn't make it easy for Sukuna

Let me break it down to you so that you can understand the context

• I never said Gojo was thinking in that instance as "Sukuna would win"
• Gojo didn't know about brain getting fried because of recovering CT burnout from RCT.
• So he has every reason to believe Sukuna could have kept his brain damage to minimum and Make Gojo keep using RCT to recover CT burnout and get brain fried.
• Gojo made the statement atter he has knowledge of how using RCT to recover CT burnout would nerf him. There is a high possibility Gojo was talking about this scene.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sukuna going all out against Maki doesn't mean much when he was heavily nerfed from his fight with Yuta. Just because he isn't holding back doesn't mean he is stronger than before, if anything he is way weaker than he was prior to his fight with Yuta and Yuji.

It definitely means he was stronger than before. He got tons of damage but when fighting Maki he had everything healed up. He lost almost all his arms against Yuta and Yuji but had them against Maki. The only damage he was constantly healing was the heart damage. Caused by Maki.

Yuta and Yuji fought Sukuna who was only using 2 hands (We know how strong he is with 4) and it was a 3v1. They were pressuring him with a sure-hit that could’ve deleted him from existance. Even then, Sukuna was parrying Yuta’s sword attacks with easy and doing whatever he wanted with Yuji, forcing him to exceed his RCT capabilities and had to had help from Choso.

Maki didn't eat that black flash, she was literally out of the fight for 2 chapters and only joined at the very end of this one, moreover it isn't like she is gonna throw hands alone against Sukuna, she is getting help from Yuji (who can still nerf Sukuna again), Miguel (another of those "Gojo level" characters we keep getting lmao), Choso and probably Laure if he survives that BF.

She came back with literally no damage and even Sukuna was surprised. She ate that Black Flash. Characters are constantly not appearing for a few chapters, Yuji wasn’t on screen when Maki fought Sukuna and Kusakabe fought him as well. Doesn’t mean he was out of battle, it just means… it was someone’s else time to shine.

The fact that Maki is keeping up with the same Yuji that fought a “stronger Sukuna” according to you, and Miguel, debunks that bullshit narrative that Elde is trying to push.

I'm not denying that she is a beast or that she is strong as hell, I'm just stating the facts and the facts here show that Maki isn't on the level you think she is.

You are not stating shit brother lol, everything yall are saying is simply bullshit.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

World Splitting Dismantle*

Yeah, not denying the second part, just explaining that it isn't as impressive as ya'll thinkg. It's pretty much Kashimo "forcing" Sukuna to heal again

He didn't get to use the enmaten hand sign. Only the incantations

 

[M3X_2.0]

He didn't get to use the enmaten hand sign. Only the incantations

Pretty sure he met at least 2 requirements to use World Splitting Dismantle and that two things are specific to it, and not a strong version of it

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Still, Maki was nowhere to be seen and the page cuts to her cutting his hand off. SSK makes her detectable and was Sukuna ever caught off guard while giving someone else attention?

Sukuna didn't notice Yuji was until he hits him because he was busy with Miguel and Choso's attention.

I mean Miguel and Laure blizted Sukuna and saved Kusakabe and UI UI in previous chapter didn't notices them.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Let me break it down to you so that you can understand the context

• I never said Gojo was thinking in that instance as "Sukuna would win"
• Gojo didn't know about brain getting fried because of recovering CT burnout from RCT.
• So he has every reason to believe Sukuna could have kept his brain damage to minimum and Make Gojo keep using RCT to recover CT burnout and get brain fried.
• Gojo made the statement atter he has knowledge of how using RCT to recover CT burnout would nerf him. There is a high possibility Gojo was talking about this scene.

Believe me, I agree that Gojo may have been referring to the Domain battle. I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't have been easy. Hell, it's suggested that it would most likely be a close battle

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Believe me, I agree that Gojo may have been referring to the Domain battle. I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't have been easy. Hell, it would still likely be a close battle

Bruh I literally said they are comparable in output and CE Reinforcements where did I said it's one sided massacre
I was just pointing out Gojo's statement for Sukuna having other Wincons without TS that's all. Not saying either side one shots each other.

It's not easy for both sides.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Pretty sure he met at least 2 requirements to use World Splitting Dismantle and that two things are specific to it, and not a strong version of it

The binding vow forces Sukuna to aim the attack after using incantations and hand signs. He can't leave anything out

 

[M3X_2.0]

Sukuna didn't notice Yuji was until he hits him because he was busy with Miguel and Choso's attention.

I mean Miguel and Laure blizted Sukuna and saved Kusakabe and UI UI in previous chapter didn't notices them.

Sukuna still reacted to him and blocked. Pretty sure Miguel was using his technique there to avoid the slash and save Ui Ui (it makes way more sense given he’s shown to be comparable to Sukuna later on) and Laure used his technique to sabe Kusakabe… he could’ve been hit and take 1/10 of that still.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Pretty sure he met at least 2 requirements to use World Splitting Dismantle and that two things are specific to it, and not a strong version of it

He needs hand signs , Chants and one hand to set a direction. So 3 hands are requirements as far as I see. unless he puts WS inside MS.

 

[M3X_2.0]

The binding vow forces Sukuna to aim the attack after using incantations and hand signs. He can't leave anything out

He did aim the attack on Yuta. His hand was clearly pointing at him.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Bruh I literally said they are comparable in output and CE Reinforcements where did I said it's one sided massacre
I was just pointing out Gojo's statement for Sukuna having other Wincons without TS that's all. Not saying either side one shots each other.

It's not easy for both sides.

Then at least we're on the same page

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

He did aim the attack on Yuta. His hand was clearly pointing at him.

Because of the binding vow, he has to enact all three requirements to expand Dismantle's target to the world

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It definitely means he was stronger than before. He got tons of damage but when fighting Maki he had everything healed up. He lost almost all his arms against Yuta and Yuji but had them against Maki. The only damage he was constantly healing was the heart damage. Caused by Maki.

In what dimension is someone stronger than prior to eating several nerfs and tanking shit that literally counters their existence by just going all out? lmao

Yeah, because she has a pretty nice sword that deals soul damage, something they can't easily heal, stop, tank or anything like that.

Yuta and Yuji fought Sukuna who was only using 2 hands (We know how strong he is with 4) and it was a 3v1. They were pressuring him with a sure-hit that could’ve deleted him from existance. Even then, Sukuna was parrying Yuta’s sword attacks with easy and doing whatever he wanted with Yuji, forcing him to exceed his RCT capabilities and had to had help from Choso.

Yeah, because he was stronger like did you even read the fight? Yuta and Yuji both knew that getting close to Sukuna was dangerous af because he had NOT been nerfed yet, it was almost at the very end that his output had been so nerfed that he couldn't deal enough damage to them and after that he took A JB TO THE FACE

The last one isn't quite the same because he explicitly went for the space cutting hax so Yuji exceeding his capabilities isn't that relevant.

She came back with literally no damage and even Sukuna was surprised. She ate that Black Flash. Characters are constantly not appearing for a few chapters, Yuji wasn’t on screen when Maki fought Sukuna and Kusakabe fought him as well. Doesn’t mean he was out of battle, it just means… it was someone’s else time to shine.

After 2 chapters knocked out. Yuji's example doesn't work because he explicitly was trying to heal after tanking a WSD and several close quarters dismantles from a pre-nerf sukuna.

The fact that Maki is keeping up with the same Yuji that fought a “stronger Sukuna” according to you, and Miguel, debunks that bullshit narrative that Elde is trying to push.

I never saw her keeping up, she just sneaked on sukuna and cut his arm. Hell during her first round with Sukuna she got blitzed and slapped around whenever Sukuna wanted.

You are not stating shit brother lol, everything yall are saying is simply bullshit.

Nah fam, seems like you are the one who doesn't know what's going on

 

[M3X_2.0]

Not responding to allat

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He didn't get to use the enmaten hand sign. Only the incantations

The chapter explicitly said he stopped using HWB to fire off a world splitting dismantle. Greg just sucks with his asspulls explanations to keep sukuna winning

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He did aim the attack on Yuta. His hand was clearly pointing at him.

Either he was so fast to the point he made signs with his upper hand and used the direction later onwards to the point Yuta couldn't react or it was just a dismantle amped with chants because we do see same kind of dismantles are used against Miguel and Maki.