True actually, especially since the whole tragedy of the fight is how Clover doesn’t play along with him.
Tbh I actually like this idea. Clover’s DT amps already don’t work the same way as Frisk’s based on their Shooter mode, and even if they did work the same way it wouldn’t make much sense for Clover to get any passive amps on the same level.
I feel like “likely higher” would be more accurate for LV19+ Clover and Zenith Martlet, based how Clover’s Soul was so tough that Asgore’s trident instantly broke from contact whereas Martlet can tank dozens of charged shots from them. Functionally they basically do the same thing though so I’m mostly arguing semantics here.
I don’t think we all decided whether or not base Ceroba was scaling to Asgore yet. While Ceroba’s AP and Durability would scale to the same value regardless, her Speed rating would be different. Also Ceroba’s speed would carry over to Axis and the Steamworks bots as well, so yeah I think the distinction is fairly important.
Why would he be that though? Stat scaling?
Clover with the Wild Revolver and Nice Hat would be 9-A since they shouldn’t have the same kind of passive DT boosts that Frisk does, so everyone who fights them after they get those items would scale to Axis.
Are we sure? Starlo gets one-shot and Axis can significantly damage a Clover who beat an all-out Ceroba. I think the boost just isn’t as significant at first since Clover isn’t killing for the sake of it, and maybe also because of a lack of DT.
Yeah Base Ceroba should get an at least on her rating if I'm gonna put steamwork fodders at 9-A. Uncertain about Asgore scaling.
True actually, even if Ceroba doesn’t scale fully to Asgore she’s still clearly way above the Steamworks bots. Plus she fights evenly with a super violent human and is much stronger than a pacifistic one.
Dalv and Martlet take normal damage, Ceroba same.
Ceroba is also portrayed as way stronger than Pacifist Clover and iirc is completely immune to their attacks. Normally a character in Undertale is only immune to another character’s attacks when they have a massively higher Defence stat compared to the other character’s Attack stat, as only having a somewhat higher Defence would cause the character to just deal 1 damage instead. LV on its own isn’t that significant of a boost, so Geno Clover being able to significantly hurt Ceroba can only really be explained through high kill intent.
I didn't try to attack her in pacifist so I don't know.
You'd explain ONLY Ceroba. Martlet is just a novice Royal Guard and Dalv is the most depressed thing in the game, explain those.
Huh?
The stuff about Martlet being a Novice Royal Guard
I was talking about murder intent tbh. They take the exact same damage from Clover, no way Undyne gets still one shotted but Martlet doesn't even notice that Clover is an enemy until being hit over 5 times.
I guess Clover's killing intent in the beginning of the Genocide Route was more in-line of a Violent Neutral Route Frisk or something
Takes 0 damage from Clover's attacks like the genocide Axis fight, my friend streamed it and tried it on Discord
We do it for Knight Knight, so why not
Already explained Dalv:
Where?
Don't use the UT Soul as basis for height, make pixel scaling of Clover holding their SOUL from here, Deltarune does the same after all.
what should i use for clover's height
What I quoted underneath it.
Given they're supposed to be a Frisk parallel, just assume they're the same height.
That's not an explanation tbh.
No it is. It explains that Clover wasn't that bloodthirsty while fighting Dalv and Martlet. And the paragraph beneath explains that they get truly bloodthirsty during the dunes.
Is it not? Clover is objectively less bloodthirsty prior to them getting the Wild Revolver. In the Mines they spend a good minute in an elevator with a guy who’s not a threat to them, whereas they kill Starlo even if he’s allowed to shoot first and they also threaten to kill Mo.
I mean, they're still real damn angry, no way Dalv wouldn't have got extra damage.
Is this "real damn angry" in the room with us right now?
True, but most of the Canine Unit aren’t one-shot in UT’s Geno route either despite fighting a Frisk more trigger happy than Clover was at that point.
fixed it, still 8-C
What’s the reasoning on “at least” for Axis?
Superior to Guardner,the rest of the robots in the steamworks and some waterfall monsters. Which is kinda weak. That's why I'm not entirely sure.
"at least" is used for significantly upscaling from something, not just being stronger.
Ah yeah, not sure about “at least” based on that either.
