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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Holy ******* shit DC actually remembered that Zero Hour Parallax was running around after Convergence. He's just been chilling in the future all this time.

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Also can make himself and others be invisible and intangible to everyone around them, all "It's a Wonderful Life" style."
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Edit: Also don't know if it even matters or not but I figured that I might as well post this page where some scientists at Terrifitech (or whatever the company is called) are discussing the model of the multiverse. Dunno if its shit we already know or not but I thought to post it anyway just in case.
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RanaProGamer said:
If the Writer still had a profile, would he be High 1-C?
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No, the Overvoid is 7D 1-C, meaning the Writer drawing on it would only scale to its tier, as being able to draw on something doesn't mean you have even 1 R>f layer over it.
 
IdiosyncraticLawyer said:
Because, according to Ant, it was "borderline speculative fanfiction"; as far as I know, it doesn't appear in any comics, and its only basis for existing was an interview where Grant Morrison commented that he always imagined DC Comics as a tiny flaw someone drew on the Overvoid, which is far too flimsy for that "someone" to even have a profile at all, let alone to infer an all-powerful "Writer" who sees the Overvoid as fiction or any of its abilities.
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The Writer does appear in comics. He literally appears in Animal Man multiple times and was a central character within the theme of Grant Morrison’s run. The Writer also later appeared in a Suicide Squad story. However, the justification for his tier was headcanon.
 
Xearsay said:
The Writer does appear in comics. He literally appears in Animal Man multiple times and was a central character within the theme of Grant Morrison’s run. The Writer also later appeared in a Suicide Squad story. However, the justification for his tier was headcanon.
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@Antvasima Thoughts?
 
Xearsay said:
The Writer does appear in comics. He literally appears in Animal Man multiple times and was a central character within the theme of Grant Morrison’s run. The Writer also later appeared in a Suicide Squad story. However, the justification for his tier was headcanon.
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That is not The Writer, that's Grant Morrison. They do not represent every Writer. Grant should have their own profile
 
Hypertornado099 said:
That is not The Writer, that's Grant Morrison. They do not represent every Writer. Grant should have their own profile
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Grant Morrison is a part of the committee of writers who represent the profile. The name of the profile “The Writer” is a title that can be given to any of those writers who are a part of the committee like Grant. So giving Grant a separate profile would have just been redundant since The Writer profile already covered the character.
 
Xearsay said:
Grant Morrison is a part of the committee of writers who represent the profile. The name of the profile “The Writer” is a title that can be given to any of those writers who are a part of the committee like Grant. So giving Grant a separate profile would have just been redundant since The Writer profile already covered the character.
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Why would we need 1 profile for every writer? This would be like making a profile for "The Green Lantern"
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Why would we need 1 profile for every writer? This would be like making a profile for "The Green Lantern"
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One profile was suitable because they are a group with powers and capabilities that aren’t differentiable from one another. It was very similar to how SCP currently has that Swans Proposal profile for the collection of writers. Although none of this really matters anymore because the profile is deleted and most likely won’t be recreated.

Also, someone could technically make a profile for the Green Lanterns corps as a whole. However, the reason there are separate GL profiles is because not only do the GL’s have varying capabilities and power levels, but some of the characters are very central to DC’s history and hold a much greater significance within the universe compared to others. Ex) Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, etc.
 
The way that The Writer page was constructed mostly turned it into a patchwork headcanon fanfiction character, as it was never established to be a collective entity like The One Above All, just an author avatar for Grant Morrison that was then depowered and killed off in its next Suicide Squad appearance at the same time as it received "The Writer" superhero nickname.
 
Antvasima said:
The way that The Writer page was constructed mostly turned it into a patchwork headcanon fanfiction character, as it was never established to be a collective entity like The One Above All, just an author avatar for Grant Morrison that was then depowered and killed off in its next Suicide Squad appearance at the same time as it received "The Writer" superhero nickname.
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@Deagonx @Elizio33 @PrinceofPein @Eficiente @Firestorm808
 
Antvasima said:
it was never established to be a collective entity like The One Above All, just an author avatar for Grant Morrison that was then depowered and killed off in its next Suicide Squad appearance at the same time as it received "The Writer" superhero nickname.
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This is essentially the sum of it. A large part of what "The Writer" profile did was take unrelated interviews from Morrison talking about the Overvoid having the Multiverse drawn on it against its will in 2008, assumed this must refer to his self-insert author avatar from his 90s Animal Man run despite him never saying this, and then extrapolating that "The Writer" is some ultra high-tier R>F transcending being, in a manner that was so far removed from his actual depiction in Animal Man that he was borderline unrecognizable.

It was fanfiction with little to no basis in what was actually printed in the comics, and the Writer character doesn't really satisfy our DC notability rules for profile creation anyways.
 
Xearsay said:
One profile was suitable because they are a group with powers and capabilities that aren’t differentiable from one another. It was very similar to how SCP currently has that Swans Proposal profile for the collection of writers. Although none of this really matters anymore because the profile is deleted and most likely won’t be recreated.

Also, someone could technically make a profile for the Green Lanterns corps as a whole. However, the reason there are separate GL profiles is because not only do the GL’s have varying capabilities and power levels, but some of the characters are very central to DC’s history and hold a much greater significance within the universe compared to others. Ex) Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, John Stewart, etc.
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Are you sure they all have the same powers?
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Idk if we will count that since he was very quickly killed after a few more beams. More examples might be needed.
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1. Parallax shot the Trapper 3 times in their first encounter, the Trapper was finally killed when Parallax shot the 4th (final) blow.
2. I shall add the fight between the Trapper and Infinite Man in both the AP and Durability section.

Edit: Change my mind on adding the Trapper and Infinite Man fight, I think there’s enough for durability.
 
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JTGamer96 said:
I just came across this blog on the DC Comics Cosmology. What does everyone think of it?
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Seems to contain a dangerous number of debunked arguments. I can't comment on the composite cosmology stuff, and whether or not hypertime works that way, but let's see...
Here it is said, that DC has parallel worlds and infinite dimensions:

https://ibb.co/s3dtScn
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Debunked here.
unlimited planes of existence

https://ibb.co/nc7vV3W
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Evidence that these planes transcend each other? They could exist in parallel, for all we know.
Now let's go to an example As I said, the dc universes are equivalent to aleph⁰, hypertime transcends this concept and can maintain infinite universes in a metric, but if we use the aleph⁰ equations, an ordinality error occurs since the omega metric becomes The aleph¹ metric is inaccessible, that is, if it has a Ω.
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Seems like the classic game I've seen many times in power scaling where people take one slightly namedropped concept and relate it to other ideas until they come across some reasoning for 1-A scaling. This happens especially often with Many-Worlds, which tends to involve things like uncountable infinity, hilbert space, and tegmarks. Don't see the evidence that DC follows all these ideas.
The existence of beings from the 10th Dimension, like Endgame, proving that DC doesn't just have 6 Dimensions. But to go further there is an infinite universal chain of addition of tensors / vectors in the composition what proves this is that in some comics we can see the citation of infinite superior dimensions (these dimensions were corrected as universes but even so there is a quantitative and qualitative transcendence or be an infinite chain of infinite Universes with infinite dimensions)

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See what I'm talking about? He claims there's an infinite recursion of branching timelines that would lead to infinity^infinity^infinity... ad infinitum scope, but there's no evidence of this degree of recursion.

Also, that Rama Kushna statement for infinite dimensions is invalid.

1. The writer for that storyline was asked a leading question to admit that this scan was talking about higher dimenions.

2. He also said that innumerable is different from infinite, so if you accept his initial word of god, you have to accept this one.

3. He said at some point, when asked why his stories tend to diverge from DC's 6-D cosmology, that he's always written "dimensions" as parallel universes (in other words, without leading questions, dimension=universe).
The proof of this is simple, the transcendence is such that there is an infinite transcendental fictional chain in the universe where superior dimensions see inferior dimensions as mere fiction.

https://ibb.co/VQ9sfSV
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What the...? The unverses transcend each other now? Also, outerversal DC humans go brr...
Another idea of dimensions that we have are dimensions characterized by steps, which is also present in dc

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Extrapolating "cosmic ladder" to mean dimensions (which seem to mean "universes") transcend each other is weird, not gonna lie.

My head hurts... I'll stop here.
 
Hypertornado099 said:
Idk if we will count that since he was very quickly killed after a few more beams. More examples might be needed. You could probably find a comic where he takes attacks from comparable people
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Changed my mind on adding the Trapper and Infinite Man fight, I think what I added should be ok. At least it looks a whole lot better than the current profile we have.
 
Animal Man could technically get Morrison to at least High 1-B. If we count things based on context rather than direct implication Vertigo may be 1-A as well. Matteis, I have been talking to a lot is in my opinion 1-A.

I really now don't see the need to split this writer's notion or else the same has to apply to every other verse including Marvel.
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Animal Man could technically get Morrison to at least High 1-B. If we count things based on context rather than direct implication Vertigo may be 1-A as well. Matteis, I have been talking to a lot is in my opinion 1-A.

I really now don't see the need to split this writer's notion or else the same has to apply to every other verse including Marvel.
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I agree with this
 
VeryGoofyToddler said:
Animal Man could technically get Morrison to at least High 1-B. If we count things based on context rather than direct implication Vertigo may be 1-A as well. Matteis, I have been talking to a lot is in my opinion 1-A.

I really now don't see the need to split this writer's notion or else the same has to apply to every other verse including Marvel.
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We have already thoroughly went through why it is necessary in our DC Comics Cosmology page.
 
Antvasima said:
We have already thoroughly went through why it is necessary in our DC Comics Cosmology page.
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I think anyone who has read it understood “why.” This isn't to say many not almost all do not agree simply due to factoring in some things such as contradictions between authors. Plus I added the incentive it happened to DC for that reason it should inadvertently apply to every verse. It's become less and less useable a “split” Cosmology which I had for a long time just gone with but overall I never thought it was too great of an idea.
 
Almost all other verses are possible to make some coherent sense of if we make an effort, whereas the modern DC Comics editors and writers have extremely irresponsible made such an absolute mess of things that we unfortunately cannot do so without enormous illogical contradictions, even if many fans would likely find it convenient in order to maximise statistics.
 
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Antvasima said:
even if many fans would likely find it convenient in order to maximise statistics.
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This is, IMO, the very crucial point. There is very little continuity between Animal Man and the main-stream cosmology contributions that Grant made in the 2000s. He kept Limbo, which is well and good, but a great deal of the avant-garde experimental mythicism he introduced in his earlier works were completely abandoned outside of their individual comic runs.

I see it largely as being motivated by a desire to see beloved characters or series with higher tiers than is really ever demonstrated in these works themselves, and I consider it a big part of our job to be a bulwark against that kind of thing.
 
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