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It has survived multiple Annihilargh detonations
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Battle of the Space Racists (Ben Tennyson vs Frieza) (7-1-0) (GRACE)
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you mean the 2-A one?
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Yes
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Omnitrix was amped then. It did no-sell the CTB though.
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side note why is this thread called "Battle of the Space Racists" LMAOOOO
I understand why Frieza's called that but shouldn't Ben be the literal opposite since he includes a vast array of different species in the Omnitrix
I understand why Frieza's called that but shouldn't Ben be the literal opposite since he includes a vast array of different species in the Omnitrix
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imagine naming a race "the worst"
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that's cringe
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...Ben does kinda frequently say "[insert alien name]? but he's the worst!" or something similar in a lot of different episodes when he changes into an alien he doesn't want lol
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Not much besides hitting him to force switch him to another alien, which is doable due to FTL combat speed.
Pretty sure reactions don't get equalized with speed equal, and Ben's aliens are weird with speed equal
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Wdym by hitting him to switch to another alien?
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Any hit from Frieza would oneshot his 7-A aliens, so the failsafe would switch him off to likely goop
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That is true…
Ben would most likely recognise his strength, and since this is a COMPETENT UAF Ben, he’d most likely switch to Waybig since that’s the strongest alien which he can control at that moment,
Now it’s a matter if Waybig can beat Frieza.
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Theu do, they are reduced by the same ammount
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Intangibility, also ghost freak can just possess freeza, and freeza can't one shot him due to immortality type 7
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Uhm. What’s stopping Ben from just winning with Clockwork? Time Stop, then eradication from the Time Stream via hyper accelerated aging, or reverting Frieza’s age to infancy. There’s also the Omnitrix itself, which can manipulate a target’s DNA—Meaning he could just simply turn Frieza into like, a Tetramand and call it a day. Hell, what’s stopping Ben from scanning Frieza, turning INTO a BETTER Frieza, and then using the Ultimate function on top of that?
And he’d know to fight seriously because you gave him prior knowledge, whereas all Frieza knows is “I can’t kill him.” Which doesn’t stop Frieza from taking his in character actions of sadism/suppressing himself to have fun, which Ben can fully take advantage of and has DONE in the past against his OWN rogue’s gallery,
And he’d know to fight seriously because you gave him prior knowledge, whereas all Frieza knows is “I can’t kill him.” Which doesn’t stop Frieza from taking his in character actions of sadism/suppressing himself to have fun, which Ben can fully take advantage of and has DONE in the past against his OWN rogue’s gallery,
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Not in character for Ben to use clockwork.
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Btw there is 4 votes for ben, not 3
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Yes, it is. He literally used Clockwork in UAF first, on purpose. (To utilize his time powers for clues.)
Second, this is the COMPETENT Ben from UAF, with PRIOR KNOWLEDGE. Not the the overly arrogant OS version, not the goofy but still reliable Ben from OV—This is UAF. With, again, PRIOR KNOWLEDGE. UAF Ben with prior knowledge literally took any alien transformation he thought NECESSARY to kill/defeat who he wanted.
This is seen against Gwen (literally went Chromastone to nullify her powers to outright WAY BIG to blast the shit out of her), U.Kevin (Ultimate Echo Echo, anyone?), U.Aggregor (literally beat him across Los Soladad as Humongousaur), and the Forever Knights, where he went Ultimate Spider-Monkey.
Hell, against DAGON he whipped out U.WAY BIG.
And you’re telling me THAT Ben, who knows that Frieza is a planet to star obliterating heartless monster wouldn’t take the fight seriously? What?
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Well I guess transforming is still a way to have faster attack speed for Frieza, since its an amp.
Ben isn't a serial killer bro, the only time he really wanted to kill anyone was Kevin in UAF, and that wasn't by trying to wipe him out of the time stream
Also lowkey Clockwork kinda gets smoked here since Clockwork is slow and gets winded super easily
We're talking about Big Chill
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“Clockwork is slow.”
It’s a speed equal. It’s literally a difference of immediately stopping time versus Frieza doing literally anything to attack with his psychokinesis, Ki attacks, etc. Though yes, he does get winded easily—Hence why he fights with his time gax
Even outside of that, there’s still Ben just depowering Frieza, becoming better Frieza, or outright just going Ultimate Way Big on him. Heck, he could just Time Stop + Depower. Or Time Stop + Scan. And if Frieza transforms, he just stops time and rewinds Frieza a few moments and he’s back to his first form.
Also, whilst Ben wasn’t trying to erase Kevin from the timestream, Ben in character will do anything it takes to win. Considering the prior knowledge, Ben knows he has to his heavy hitters, and that once Frieza goes all out he only has a handful that could keep up with the warlord. Whilst he definitely wouldn’t kill Frieza off the bat, I don’t see why he wouldn’t try attacking in the most effective ways possible like he does in the UAF canon.
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Clockwork being slow should still matter in speed equal, since he's canonically slower than all of his other aliens at this point. He won't be getting blitzed but he'd likely still be slower than Frieza. (Think I've seen previous threads under speed equal where Ben's aliens like Fast Track and XLR8 were still faster than base Ben, so it's not unreasonable to have Clockwork be slower even under speed equal)
Ben using the omnitrix to rewrite DNA mid fight has never happened, and honestly might not even be combat applicable since all we've seen it do is repair DNA, not completely overwrite it. (Unless there's an example I'm missing)
Becoming a Frieza himself is a very valid wincon, but he might end up getting outskilled but its a valid wincon.
AP Wise UWB gets oneshot by first form Frieza actually, brute forcing Frieza isn't really an option here, especially when he can become 4-C. Rewinding is also sort of useless for this reason since he can either just transform back instantly or just knock him out.
Ben in character will try his hardest to win yeah, not disagreeing there. I just think doing like anything regarding Clockwork is too extreme for who Ben is, if he won't do it to Vilgax he won't do it to Frieza imo.
You wanna leave a vote btw?
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Yeah, so was i
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He did so to the entire Highbreed. When he repaired their genetic damage, he also remixed their DNA with his own alien species within the Omnitrix. Similarly, in OV (the episode Outbreak) when the Omnitrix bugged out due to a regulator (meaning Ben should be capable of this normally) being removed, he completely rewrote the DNA of multiple species, changing their bodies and powers completely. For example, Bubblehead became a Gimlinopithecus. This gave him electric abilities, removed his need for water, and improved his physicality. However, he also gained their weaknesses, like his powers being blocked by insulation.
Similarly, Fistina’s genetic code was completely altered and she turned into a Galvanic Mechamorph, able to use their powers, but still had their weakness to magnetic fields. Essentially, Ben could just go: “Omnitrix, alter target’s DNA,” and then say to turn him into something ridiculously underpowered.
(This also happens in Outbreak. Rook is turned into a Gourmand, and was completely physically incapable of doing any of his actual attacks/moves like he would normally due to their reduced physicality—Forcing him to rely on using Upchuck’s ability to turned consumed items into energy attacks for combat).
In this case, Ben could make him even weaker than that, like Walkatrout or the Worst.
Unlikely. Assuming this is Namek Frieza (which seems to be the case), Frieza had no formal training, and his only combat experience is throwing around his vastly superior speed and strength until his targets died. Meanwhile, despite what OV may have you believe Ben is a seasoned and well trained martial artist capable of free-style martial arts, karate, and the one taught by the Plumbers. Combine that with the “Data Dump,” (the feature that allows him to naturally know his powers/body instincts/etc.), his own creative and intuitive capabilities, and even prodigious combat skill (able to replicate maneuvers on sight, like when he copied an enemy Shocksquatch’s use of their electro-telekinesis), and by all accounts HE should be outskilling Frieza.
Especially since he has tons of experience turning into various aliens and learning their powers (which is highlighted multiple times throughout the series to be incredible, considering he keeps up with over 70+ different sets of powers, weaknesses, etc.)
Final Form Frieza? Yeah, he definitely would get oneshot. FIRST FORM? He’s only like, 5x weaker. (Nearly at 5 Quettarons Vs UWB, who is at 700 Ronnatons/Nearly 1 Quettaton.) He’s definitely at a disadvantage, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not an unbearably large gap considering UWB is only meant to keep Frieza at bay, or catch him whilst he’s off guard. (Since Frieza is starting in his first form).
That depends. Nowadays he views Vilgax more like a joke than he does a threat, and he’s even openly stated that the reason he’s not killing his bad guys most the time is because they follow his rules. There’s an entire UAF episode dedicated to what happens when bad guys don’t (the main one being attacking powerless family and friends), and the Alien Force Trio’s answer is: You. *******. Die. And then they traumatized the criminals.
That said, fair enough on doing anything extreme, but Ben would still totally leverage Clockwork to freeze time to get his free scan, or to rearrange Frieza’s DNA.
Yeah, for Ben. I think it’s a total stomp in his favor without Alien X.
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I don't think Ben would really try to rearrange Frieza's DNA like that, extremely OOC, and honestly kind of morbid for Ben's standards.
I think you vastly underestimate Frieza's skill, he has actual combat training from his father and was able to keep up with Goku even after he had turned SSJ. Goku is able to match people with over 300 hundred years of combat experience as a child.
Not to deny Ben's skill, but Frieza should still be far more skilled even with how much of a prodigy Ben is. Frieza himself is a prodigy after all.
5x AP advantage is actually pretty substantial for Frieza, ki attacks can be pushed higher than his AP and Frieza could always go into his 2nd and 3rd forms to just increase the gap into oneshot territory. Frieza also has the option of knocking him out still.
In hindsight I probably should've restricted Master Control that way Frieza has the wincon of Ben timing out from overuse, but it's way too late now.
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Freeza doesn't take his time with torture with just any person. They need to actually end up on his shit list before he decides he wants to make their death slow and painful. People conflate his interactions with the people who screwed with him the most (Goku, Vegeta, Krillin, Gohan, Piccolo) with how he treats his usual victims. Like I don't know, how about that one time he wiped out the entirety of the Saiyan Race without telling them or drawing it out any longer than necessary? Because he viewed them as a threat and redundant for his army?
Unless it's personal he isn't going to waste his time with some literalwho. He's going to attempt to blow them up immediately to get it over with. He has bigger monkeys to fry. In this case, since he can't kill Ben he's going to probably aim for something like paralysis.
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Quick question, Goop can dodge energy attacks simply through his physiology, right?
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If they're small enough yeah, there's the glaring weakness of the little ship though
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So an AoE attack would be enough to get Goop?
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To disable him yeah
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One that atomizes him completely, but then the failsafe just turns him into something that could survive it, like Ghostfreak or Big Chill with their intangibility, or Chromastone to absorb the energy to buy himself time to retreat, etc.
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not to kill him since he has High Regen
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Frieza can't kill goop due to High regen
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