The Flash (2023) Movie Discussion Thread (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[animus10001]

Discussion Thread for WB's The Flash, the Scarlet Speedster's first live-action solo film and the DCEU's last film.

I've already seen the movie, as I'm sure many of you have, but to those who haven't, beware, SPOILERS AHEAD.

Nevertheless, please spoiler tag any posts that deal with sensitive material (important story points, cameos, etc)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Planning to make the Supergirl profile personally

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

The movie was good

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Any good feats or powerscaling in the movie?

She fights head-son with her Zod and is able to put him on the ropes more than once, though in every timeline he always ends up killing her via superior skills

Other than that, she simply goes after normal humans and low level Kryptonians and easily trashes them. Also notable is that she only has a brief scene with the senses overload issue and quickly adapts, faster than Zod and Clark did for example, and she displays pretty good fighting moves during her escape (she doesn't simply punches soldiers, she uses acrobatic movements, jumps, relatively precise strikes, headbuts, etc)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Also, if I remember correctly, she was strong enough to crack Kryptonians masks with ease

 

[animus10001]

Also, if I remember correctly, she was strong enough to crack Kryptonians masks with ease

Yeah, that's right. It seems

Spoiler: Spoilers for the whole movie, though mainly for the 3rd act

Kara is Zod's superior in terms of power, but he's the most cunning warrior. Also, the Flashes get some really good feats, fighting and defeating kryptonians, creating a tornado that can hold a kryptonian (28yr Barry), killing a kryptonian through phasing (28yr Barry), killing Nam-Ek with their excessive charge (Both Barrys) and, as a speed feat, casually going faster than light. Also, the SnyderVerse rating should apply to both Barrys, since this movie canonizes ZSJL by explicitly mentioning Barry traveling through time during the Battle of Pozharnov and showing Arthur's angry finger point at him after an accidental tackle.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Man of steel superman and zod should be both FTL since Past barry who's just as fast as prime Barry couldnt defeat Zod even after time travelling countless number of times

and to time travel Barry had to be moving far faster than light as stated by Bruce

 

[animus10001]

Man of steel superman and zod should be both FTL since Past barry who's just as fast as prime Barry couldnt defeat Zod even after time travelling countless number of times

and to time travel Barry had to be moving far faster than light as stated by Bruce

I mean, you're right in regards to Past Barry's inability to stop Zod, but there's nothing that suggests Zod was reacting to Barry at his top speed, especially when Prime Barry states that they're faster than kryptonians.

Also, Bruce talks about Barry managing to travel faster than light, but I don't recall him talking about how much faster, so for all we know, going faster than light might automatically cause you to travel through time.

Anyways, I think Zod, Supes, and Kara should get a possibly FTL at best.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I mean, you're right in regards to Past Barry's inability to stop Zod, but there's nothing that suggests Zod was reacting to Barry at his top speed, especially when Prime Barry states that they're faster than kryptonians.

Also, Bruce talks about Barry managing to travel faster than light, but I don't recall him talking about how much faster, so for all we know, going faster than light might automatically cause you to travel through time.

Yeah, I personally think their current speed ratings are fine as it is. If going faster than light makes them time travel and they are faster than Kryptonians without time traveling, I don't see a reason for Kryptonians to scale

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Planning to make the Supergirl profile personally

Oof. Was planning to do that myself smh.

Considering she could at least contend with Zod, I feel she should be Low 6-B. Flashes fight some low level Kyrptonians I think? That would put them in the 7-C ranges.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oof. Was planning to do that myself smh.

You just got outflashed

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I saw the Flash movie, non spoiler review. It's alright, 6/10.

There are some really cool plot elements in it, I like that it's not just a copy paste of the comic's story and it's altered to fit the context of the DCEU. But the movie is brought down by janky CGI and weird plot execution.

The characters are what saved it for me, Supergirl is the best character in the film and I hope Sasha Calle returns. Keaton Batman was fun. And I like the dynamic between the two Barry's albeit I still don't like DCEU Barry's character. The finale was a neat wrap up to their character arcs, but the cameos really sour the experience. There are some heartfelt moments with Barry. Really love Ezra and Sasha's acting.

It's a movie with some neat ideas and cool characters but brought down by janky CGI and plot elements. Definitely the weakest of the 3 big blockbusters. You're better off seeing Transformers or Spider-verse.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

To the movie’s credit it didn’t put me to sleep like Shazam 2

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

yeah, it at least kept my attention the whole time. Idk how to explain it, but in terms of vibe, it feel different than other CBMs as of now?

Flash definitely gets 2-C Environmental Destruction via going FTL.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

5/10 from me, solid characters, soundtrack, and good ideas but bogged down by the wonky CGI and questionable choices here and there. Though it's a neat take on Flashpoint it's kinda just another superhero multiverse story that we've been getting for the past few years, but slightly below average overall (Marvel's multiverse shit is better btw). From a meta standpoint, I suppose the best aspect of the film imo is that the DCEU is finally officially rebooted.

While Erza Miller is a ***** person and I'm not a fan of his take on Barry Allen, the dynamic between the two Barrys is pretty well executed. I like that Michael Shannon's Zod was able to get more time to shine even if ultimately as just a minor antagonist. Keaton's Batman was easily the best part of the movie for me (aside from the unintentionally funny death scene where Keaton’s Batman crashes the Batwing).

Despite being marketed as a big part of the movie Supergirl didn't get as much screentime and character development as I would've hoped. Regardless I loved Sasha Calle's take on the character and the redesigned costume is pretty neat.

Obviously wasn't a fan of the PS2 tier CGI in certain scenes (folks aren't even being hyperbolic this time around the movie genuinely looks atrocious at times). Some of (though surprisingly not all) of the movie's attempts at humor also fall flat.

Christopher Reeve's Superman being featured via CGI was kinda cringe. Idk about CGI’ing dead people into a movie for nostalgia cameos

As a minor nitpick, how the Speed Force Aura works in this movie is inconsistent with both ZSJL and Josstice League, where Barry carries normal people at super speed without issue.

TL;DR Decent popcorn flick and less of a snoozefest than Shazam 2. Watch Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse instead tho

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The reason Flash is doing worse than Rise of the Beasts is because Rise of the Beasts has a gorilla in it.

If Flash put in Gorilla Grodd, this movie would make 100 Flashillion dollars.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

the redesigned costume is pretty neat

I honestly prefer this look over the original comic look

Also Ezra being gone means we can finally gets more comic accurate Barry Allen.

 

[ByAsura]

By Ezra Miller terms, I'd put this movie directly between Fantastic Beasts 1 and 2 in terms of quality.

Edit: On second though, it's closer to 1 than 2.

It could've done with more assault, grooming, incidents in Hawaii, etc.

 

[ByArrow]

Flash definitely gets 2-C Environmental Destruction via going FTL.

Will it scale to that in other flashes in the multiverse?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Will it scale to that in other flashes in the multiverse?

It has no reason to

 

[ByArrow]

It has no reason to

In the Speed Force cameo scene, we saw Jay travel in time using a temporalball in the same way as Barry, and the CW mentions that speeders destroy timelines by time travelling.

There's also the creation of a new multiverse because of CW Barry's flashpoint incident.

I think speedsters who have mastered their Power in the multiverse should be 2c with environmental destruction

 

[ByArrow]

The time travel scene actually works the same as in the CW, but only in a more detailed and enhanced version as a visual effect.

Since that's the case I think we need to scale

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

In the Speed Force cameo scene, we saw Jay travel in time using a temporalball in the same way as Barry, and the CW mentions that speeders destroy timelines by time travelling.

There's also the creation of a new multiverse because of CW Barry's flashpoint incident.

I think speedsters who have mastered their Power in the multiverse should be 2c with environmental destruction

DCEU Flash definitely has not mastered the Speed Force in any way, and not only that, but we see that the CW's speed force functions differently in how their time travel works (They don't need to go FTL to time travel) + CW Flash already having several FTL feats yet doesn't got through time when he goes FTL.

 

[ByArrow]

DCEU Flash definitely has not mastered the Speed Force in any way, and not only that, but we see that the CW's speed force functions differently in how their time travel works (They don't need to go FTL to time travel)

Yes DCEU Barry didn't master it. And anyway, that achievement comes not from him, but from a future version of young barry who has time-traveled for years, and we can assume he's mastered it.

The CW and DCEU use the same Speed Force, and the CW mentions that a certain speed must be reached to enter the Speed Force.

CW Flash already having several FTL feats yet doesn't got through time when he goes FTL.

This is because he has mastered his Speed Force abilities.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

This is because he has mastered his Speed Force abilities.

When is it stated that? It's simply a rule in the DCEU that going FTL means you can time travel.

 

[ByArrow]

When is it stated that? It's simply a rule in the DCEU that going FTL means you can time travel.

It has been mentioned and shown many times that Barry is gaining more and more control over his abilities.

This rule does not contradict the CW, CW says that it is necessary to exceed a certain speed for time travel.

In addition, Jay's Neural hyper-collider device makes consciousness faster than light for time travel.

So the FTL Rule does not contradict the CW

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Oof. Was planning to do that myself smh.

Considering she could at least contend with Zod, I feel she should be Low 6-B. Flashes fight some low level Kyrptonians I think? That would put them in the 7-C ranges.

Was definitely planning on making her Low 6-B anyway, like said above she seems to be Zod's superior in raw power, she basically loses because of his cunning, superior skills and fate deciding you die now

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Here's the blog for Supergirl

Supergirl (DC Extended Universe)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Propellus]

The movie was pretty insane, but at the same time. It was eh to me, but I'm satisfied in the end.

It is better off seeing Transformers than this one though.

but anyways, considering that both barries affected the fabric of the universe, which started colliding worlds into another, does that mean Tier 2 flash via environmental destruction now?

 

[ArkhamDC06]

She wasn't that much in the movie but I really liked this version

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Propellus]

Too bad she kept dying everytime the barries kept reversing time

 

[GodOfThunder]

I mean, you're right in regards to Past Barry's inability to stop Zod, but there's nothing that suggests Zod was reacting to Barry at his top speed, especially when Prime Barry states that they're faster than kryptonians.

Also, Bruce talks about Barry managing to travel faster than light, but I don't recall him talking about how much faster, so for all we know, going faster than light might automatically cause you to travel through time.

Anyways, I think Zod, Supes, and Kara should get a possibly FTL at best.

We see Zod catch him in the chrono ball thing when past Barry keeps changing the timeline

he should be FTL since Barry couldn’t change Zod killing Kara no matter how many times he tries

 

[Propellus]

but anyways, considering that both barries affected the fabric of the universe, which started colliding worlds into another, does that mean Tier 2 flash via environmental destruction now?

What does anyone think?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What does anyone think?

Yes.

We see Zod catch him in the chrono ball thing when past Barry keeps changing the timeline

he should be FTL since Barry couldn’t change Zod killing Kara no matter how many times he tries

Dude, it's explicitly stated that if Barry goes past the speed of light, he'll time travel, something that clearly didn't happen when he was fighting Zod

 

[Propellus]

Yes.

Nice

 

[Shadyboi0]

Microwave was crazy

 

[ArkhamDC06]

We see Zod catch him in the chrono ball thing when past Barry keeps changing the timeline

Obviously Barry wasn't at full speed since his full speed involves time travel but Zod was indeed still able to catch him during his circling move so I guess he can have something for his reaction speed

he should be FTL since Barry couldn’t change Zod killing Kara no matter how many times he tries

Don't think this justification can work, Kara dying everytime was more of a fate thing, like fate dictated she would die against Zod no matter how good she and the two Barry would be

 

[ArkhamDC06]

What does anyone think?

Yes, it's literally the climax