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any "holes" and counterarguments are already debunked by lore
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nasuverse earth 9/10-d upgrade
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iirc its stated that avalon from sabers sheath is a bounded field that only acts like avalon, but isnt the ral thing
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I'm also very skeptical about this. As far as I know, Divine Spirits come from the "Throne of Gods", which to this day no Typemoon's works have stated where exactly it is.
Also Romani said Divine Spirits exists in a higher dimension and that's all. He didn't say they exist somewhere on Earth. The fact that Ashtart Origin, a Divine Spirit from the Shining Blue Galaxy, didn't even come from Earth but still be able to materialize on Earth further supports this claim.
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The only agree you have, is Speedster. Who as far as I know isn't knowledgeable with Nasuverse and imediately agreed without waiting for the very valid counterarguements. Everyone else disagrees or is neutral. You have two different staff members disagreeing. On top of knowledgeable members of the Nasuverse community here. Your "debunks" are blatantly false as we currently do accept Gilgamesh can destroy the world, go check his page. On top of all of that, you neglect to even broach the topic that Divine Spirits are ALREADY higher dimensional. That quote is saying they are higher dimensional to humanity/the world. The 3D world. The 3D humanity. There is absolutely no evidence that they are higher dimensional to 8 or even 6 dimensions.
Also all this discussion about Avalon is off topic, if you have an issue with out current scaling bring it up elsewhere. Though I should note there is a discussion rule about downgrading tier 1 Nasuverse, so you need to bring something new if you even attempt a CRT.
Regardless, with two staff disagrees, on top of the numerous other disagrees, this thread should probably be closed.
Also all this discussion about Avalon is off topic, if you have an issue with out current scaling bring it up elsewhere. Though I should note there is a discussion rule about downgrading tier 1 Nasuverse, so you need to bring something new if you even attempt a CRT.
Regardless, with two staff disagrees, on top of the numerous other disagrees, this thread should probably be closed.
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You have no scans to prove that its only talking about the 3 dimensional world, ( which doesnt even make sense since alaya is 1-C)
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Fairies, Elementals and Divine spirits from Earth are born in the reverse side afaik
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You are the one that has to prove Romani is referring to higher dimensions in the SCAN YOU PROVIDED.
Also as a further note. One can use higher dimensional power without being higher dimensional. In fact, Divine Spirits very specifically do this. Most Divine Spirits have the ability to use their true power temporarily as their Noble Phantasm. So they're 3D beings using 6/8D power. So being higher dimensional does not mean they are suddenly 7/9D because their true forms are the 6/8D forms.
Also as a further note. One can use higher dimensional power without being higher dimensional. In fact, Divine Spirits very specifically do this. Most Divine Spirits have the ability to use their true power temporarily as their Noble Phantasm. So they're 3D beings using 6/8D power. So being higher dimensional does not mean they are suddenly 7/9D because their true forms are the 6/8D forms.
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This information comes from Chapter 14 in LB7. The full conversation is: SOME Elementals come from the Inner Sea of the Planet (also this type of Elemental is called Nature Spirit afaik). And when they leave for the surface then return to the ISotP, a fewer "some" of them couldn't return and stay on the surface as Fairies, Elementals, and a even fewer "some" became Divine Spirits. And in the next sentence Da Vinci literally said not all of the Spirits are like that, let alone Divine Spirit.
In the Age of Gods, gods are literally like human and they walked the Earth. Only after the end of the Age of Gods had they turned into Divine Spirit. A very clear example of this is Zeus, depicted in Fate Prisma Illya, whose true body gradually vanished on Earth.
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scan literally says that they exist in a higher dimension. Alaya/Humanity is capable of existing in a higher dimension.
The whole point is that divine spirits are incapable of using their true power in a servant container. maybe a fracttion of it, sure, but never completely. Point still stands that the earth is superior to the moon cell ( extra itself implies this by stating that arceuid/true ancestors are superior to divine spirits and gods)
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I'm pretty sure that they ascend to the throne of gods when they reach a divinity rank of A or higher
(though if its a location or something else is unknown to me)
Although they cant be actual gods since they lack a divine core
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So Divine Spirits are higher dimensional than Alaya? Gaia is superior to them. Alaya is equal to Gaia. But Divine Spirits are higher dimensional to Alaya.
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM? What you are arguing makes actually zero sense.
All Romani is saying is they exist within a higher dimension. He does not say "with respect to Alaya/Gaia or Avalon or the Reverse Side of the World or Imaginary Number Space."
DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM? What you are arguing makes actually zero sense.
All Romani is saying is they exist within a higher dimension. He does not say "with respect to Alaya/Gaia or Avalon or the Reverse Side of the World or Imaginary Number Space."
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They have to by default be higher than their servant containers, also humans can see higher dimensional things in the nasuverse ( illustrated when Chaldea fought Goetia. ( and the fact that souls exist in a higher dimension by default)
Theres no arguing that the Earth is superior to the moon cell, as True Ancestors already surpass divine spirits and gods to beginw ith.
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Yeah what Mage said are making way more sense here so i disagree af with this thread
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It is specifically two people as a note. Not counting the recent threads that have passed.
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Sure, but we've had like 10 different Nasu threads in the past month. That's way too much
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if you still think the moon cell is superior to earth, i dont know what to tell you atp
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I didn’t say anything though…
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Sorry that all the earth crap was stated to be literally 6 dimensional at most.
Clearly saying that all possible dimensions of the universe is 6 dimensional. BB's or moon cell's 8 (possibly) dimensions is clearly an exception though.
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Where in that scan does it mention that it caps at 6D?
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Six directions that represent all possible dimensions in the universe.
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That is not mentioned in the scan at all. The scan says the Outer God borders all possible dimensions and enshrined them. Sounds like an High 1B feat without context and with context to the verse, it's accepted as 9D on this site.
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Read the 2nd scan in the imgur album. 9D is only possibly.
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??? I read it and nothing changed. If you are referring to "six doors" then you totally misinterpreted the scan. The six doors aren't "6D" lol. They aren't even located in the Nasuverse’s planet earth. They are from a distant outer universe.
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Looks like it's saying they represent all possible dimensions in the universe (6).
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The Universe has more than 6 dimensions. Did you forget the Mooncell as well? This scan was never in reference to a planet alone. But the entirety of Nasuverse excluding the root and 「 」. It would have been considered a 1A feat for the outer gods but for some reason, they limited it to 9D since they are qualitatively superior to the mooncell which is 8D.
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Never forgot the mooncell. I said it was an exception (possibly lol). Plus this doesn't at all even support Earth being higher dimensional than moon cell.
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You have to include the moon cell if you are going to use that scan because that scan was referring to every single dimension thay exists in Nasuverse.
As for Earth being higher dimensional than the moon cell, I can see arguments for that especially if Alaya and Gaia are taken into account but I'm not really sure to give a specific opinion about it. But the moon being superior to earth kinda makes no sense.
Oh I forgot, since the earth in Nasuverse runs under type 3 multiverse, it's supposed to be High 1B but his site probably doesn't care about quantum mechanics.
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pretty sure type 3 multiverses require a lot of evidence to qualify for high 1-B
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Huh you know this feat is litteraly the same than in HP (they litteraly copied word for word) and in HP it's tier 0?
The direction are not even spatial dimmension.
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Anyways earth is higher in level than moon cell is not even a comparaison that need to be made, as moon cell is litteraly part of earth timeline (which mean earth timeline are 8D, it's basic logic). And Excalibur can kill the thing that can destroy moon cell.
Now being a higher dimmension i don't think it's qualify like that
Now being a higher dimmension i don't think it's qualify like that
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Classic. Bringing a verse with mountains of evidence and context for its tiering and comparing it to a verse with a lack of proper context for the similar tier that says something somewhat similar.
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Not what's intended. I just don't like the comparisons to other verses for stuff like this.I smell provocation here
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Me too, but without being that kind of comment you typed there lel
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I don't think you understand what i tell, it's the same feat. Yet you litteraly tell the feat can only be 6D. I don't tell it's the same level. But telling it's can be only 6d because 6 direction is tell is stupid.
And it's not somewhat similar they litteraly taken it from HP quote to quote....
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after reading this, I never liked 9-D mooncell.
the evidence clearly says that there are at least 8 dimensions but I don’t see any evidence to suggest anything higher than that. (People said 9-D but that’s only possibly and uh 8-D is the best option)
So I disagree with the thread and Moon cell should stay at 8-D
the evidence clearly says that there are at least 8 dimensions but I don’t see any evidence to suggest anything higher than that. (People said 9-D but that’s only possibly and uh 8-D is the best option)
So I disagree with the thread and Moon cell should stay at 8-D
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Do people have tell that moon cell should be 9d here?
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