Nasuverse Upgrade: High 1-A for Swirl of The Root

[Robo432343]

i found the same shit on character stats and profiles wiki

 

[Tarang123]

i found the same shit on character stats and profiles wiki

It's from @Theoretical. He made it

 

[Robo432343]

It's from @Theoretical. He made it

yah

 

[DaReaperMan]

Most sane vsbw member refutation this can't be real I've never been more severely disappointed at humanity than I have today

If you're gonna get in a thread where arguments happen and you have a problem with what the other person say but you'd rather not address it but rather make these overused jokes then idk what that says ab your self awareness (disclaimer I workout ion think any more grass needs to be touched if I do that)

I was talking to everyone bro chill

 

[Tarang123]

It's literally not my CRT. How many times have I told you? I merely created it, but the contents inside ain't my idea. They are all Theoreticals'. That's why I gave him the full credit. And that's why I stated that I agree with it because it wasn't my idea.

It shouldn't matter. You literally wrote the CRT. So you agreeing is still goofy af. But whatever, you said you replaced it, so we might as well just move on

 

[Tdjwo]

It shouldn't matter. You literally wrote the CRT. So you agreeing is still goofy af. But whatever, you said you replaced it, so we might as well just move on

The only thing goofy here is you not understanding that I'm agreeing to Theoretical's revision aka all the contents in the CRT. My only involvement was creating the thread. Do you expect Theoretical to say; "Hey buddy, put my name amongst those that agreed" despite the idea and entire information being his own creation?

 

[Tarang123]

The only thing goofy here is you not understanding that I'm agreeing to Theoretical's revision aka all the contents in the CRT. My only involvement was creating the thread. Do you expect Theoretical to say; "Hey buddy, put my name amongst those that agreed" despite the idea and entire information being his own creation?

It's goofy as ****. That is an objective fact. Also, read the second part.

 

[Theoretical]

Why are yall still arguing its trivial Jesus christ

 

[Tdjwo]

It's goofy as ****. That is an objective fact. Also, read the second part.

What are you trying to prove?

 

[Tdjwo]

Why are yall still arguing its trivial Jesus christ

Idk why the dude's so adamant on something this irrelevant. The entire CRT was from your idea and everything there was copy-pasted from you so ofc I would say I agree to it even if I made the crt because it's not my crt idea in the first place.

 

[Tarang123]

What are you trying to prove?

I literally said to move on from that point and focus on the important stuff.

 

[Robo432343]

i think the shiva dude said what needed to be said

 

[Tdjwo]

i think the shiva dude said what needed to be said

That dude said a whole lotta nothing.

 

[Robo432343]

That dude said a whole lotta nothing.

bro he couldn't even address anything because none of the scans imply what yall are saying. thats all that needs to be said

 

[Tdjwo]

bro he couldn't even address anything because none of the scans imply what yall are saying. thats all that needs to be said

No. It's simply because he misunderstood the context of how non-euclidean geometry works

 

[Fixxed]

Why non-euclidean geometry is 1A+?

and the idea is carried on to any dimension up to

And then as far as i know nasuverse just have 7 or 8 dimension that being mentioned, so even if it add 2 dimensions per dimension it will not 1A+

As you know, power setting one infinity to reach another is an arithmetic operation that carries on all the way up to 1-A+ as well, and power setting a set of natural numbers is 2^n or infinity^infinity, which is still similar arithmetic to the hyperbolic Geometry stacking of any dimension X takes 2 dimensions for now being infinity^infinity

And even if nasu have infinite dimensions, it will not 1A+, it just low 1A, because tiering system stated that infinite^infinite dimensions or aleph 1 just get low 1A, just add more infinity dimensions will not make it even a 1A rating

Low 1-A: Low Outerverse level
Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions. More information on the concept is available on this page.

Note that, if the High 1-B structure in question is a hierarchy of levels of existence, then simply being at the top of such a hierarchy does not qualify a character for this tier without more context, and an additional layer added on top of the "infinity-th" level of this hierarchy is likewise not enough. To qualify as an equivalent of the above description, they need to surpass the hierarchy as a whole, and not simply be on another level within it.

 

[Robo432343]

And then as far as i know nasuverse just have 7 or 8 dimension that being mentioned, so even if it add 2 dimension per dimension it will not 1A+

fixxed. OP is talking about swirl of the root which is accepted as 1-A

 

[Fixxed]

fixxed. OP is talking about swirl of the root which is accepted as 1-A

No, he talking about dimensional in his first argument. If that about the root why even he upgrade the root to high 1A??? If the root is being a measure for 1A??

The root is directly implied to be unreachable through the recursive measures of stacking infinities.

He also say the root is unreachable of stacking the infinities

So he make a different between the infinite^infinite stacking dimensions with the nature of the root

 

[Robo432343]

No, he talking about dimensional in his first argument. If that about the root why even he upgrade the root to high 1A??? If the root is being a measure for 1A??

Fixxed. The root is accepted as 1-A. He wants to to get it to High 1-A so talking about 7d to 8D stuff doesn't matter

 

[Fixxed]

fixxed. OP is talking about swirl of the root which is accepted as 1-A

He even say the root is distinct from the infinities

Essentially, this means that the Root is distinct from such infinities, and the arithmetic operations used in those infinities cannot be used on the Root. This is why infinities that use arithmetic operations of infinity^infinity can be cut by Shiki Ryougi, who can perceive the end of such infinities due to her eyes being connected to the Root, which is an infinity of a fundamentally greater scale to such infinities and why for her such infinities are only small rooms as said;

 

[Robo432343]

He even say the root is distinct from the infinities

so???

 

[Fixxed]

so???

Is mean his first argument about the infinities is not connected or distinct from the root. That also mean we cannot take root for the measure for 1A bassline, because infinite^infinite argument's is distinct from the root, is about the dimensions

 

[Tdjwo]

Why non-euclidean geometry is 1A+?

Theoretical already explained earlier

Check out lines at infinity, real projective space, and projective plane in the Wikipedia this is what I said in the thread beforehand in regards to that

"The lines at infinity provide a closure for a projective plane and still exists alike in real projective planes

A real projective plane still has the same vectors from your usual Euclidean space R^1 being the first R^2 being the second
Infinity^infinity entailing 2 dimensions as seen above infact a projective plane along with lines at infinity becomes a real projective plane by taking vectors K of a projective plane to be real numbers which becomes RP^2

Lines at infinity are a part of hyperbolic geometry/non Euclidean geometry

Non Euclidean geometry and Euclidean geometry share similarities this is one of them so the idea still works is that it then"

And then as far as i know nasuverse just have 7 or 8 dimension that being mentioned, so even if it add 2 dimensions per dimension it will not 1A+

That's irrelevant to the crt. Idk why adding or subtracting dimensions have anything to do with this crt.

 

[Robo432343]

fixxed you're making the situation even more complicated

 

[Fixxed]

Theoretical already explained earlier



That's irrelevant to the crt. Idk why adding or subtracting dimensions have anything to do with this crt.

No no. A question what about the infinite^infinite?? Or what thing that the infinite^infinite applies for?? The root or dimension or something else?

 

[Fixxed]

fixxed you're making the situation even more complicated

Well just give a opinion, in fact everyone that againts this thread is add new complication

 

[Robo432343]

Well just give a opinion, in fact everyone that againts this thread is add new complication

fr

 

[Paul_Frank]

Seems self verified to be infinity being limited is entailed from a higher one existing I don't think we need alot of evidence if the evidence is right there

Except the evidence is not right there, its just being assumed by you, there's nothing there at all, that's the issue

The existence of true infinity is already asserted when they say but there's no true infinity the only denial of ends is the root there's that

No, it's not, another random assumption and assertion from you with no backing

If infinity 1 is limited because there's one higher that notion existing because it requires certain arithmetic to construct then the root being distinct from that entails that it'll be above that its supported by the implication themselves and I inferred that from those implications

This is, surprise, not supported by anything, the "implications" you speak of only exist assuming your several paragraphs of assumptions are correct, despite coming from nowhere

It doesn't have to be in the text if it's implied already direct statements are not always a necessity to scale things

This is correct yes, the key portion is if it's implied. It's not implied, you're adding several paragraphs of completely unmentioned things to justify your interpretation of one line, that does not count as "implied in the text" at all

No like I said r>f existing suffices that

No, it doesn't

And I'm saying in this case it having the end of all things is attributed to it being true infinity relative to the recursively stacked infinities

An assumption out of literally nowhere, yes. This is just simply not what the text implied at all, I already explained that in my previous post

If you read what I said you'll understand it doesn't have to exist

If it doesn't exist, you're literally just not tiering anything, there's no high 1-A then

Why do the people who disagree only conclude that the entire CRT is based off assumptions?

The entire content of the CRT.

• The scan

• A very detailed explanation of Non-Euclidean Geometry
• Difference between 「　」and infinities
• A very detailed explanation of why recursively stacked infinities would never reach the「　」becaue 「　」represents true infinity
• Its relationship with alephs.

Nothing in the CRT is assuming anything It's simply trying to water down the explanation to it's simplest level so that we can understand the scan especially when it comes to the true infinity which people are ignoring while only focusing on the Non-Euclidean part

Because it is all assumptions, it's taking that singular quote from KnK novel 5, and adding a ton of assumptions about true infinity, non euclidean space, adding in 1-A+ randomly, etc. It doesn't matter if this is "a detailed explanation of non euclidean geometries" because that on its own doesn't mean anything, it has no tier. In order to use any of this high tier stuff for non Euclidean stuff, it needs to be mentioned in verse explicitly, not just "extrapolated"


To reiterate, there's literally nothing further the disagree side can do other than tell you the thread just does not work, that's because the entire thread is just a lot of stuff not in the actual text, there's nothing to debate, no scans to explain, no context to give, nothing, it's one line, an interpretation of that line which I already explained why it's wrong and what it's actually saying, and then paragraphs of assumptions thrown out in hopes that they stick, you can't "justify" why it doesn't work, the side in favor of it has to justify why it does work, which they haven't done successfully

 

[Maxeez]

there is no mention or hint of some "true infinity" no mention of 1-A+ for the Root to be above etc, none of it actually exists in the series

What ?

 

[Robo432343]

What ?

thats not what bro was talking abt

 

[Maxeez]

thats not what bro was talking abt

« there is no mention or hint or some "true infinity" »
the text literally says « true infinity ».

What did he mean by that then ?

 

[Zencha9]

Disagree FRA

 

[Georredannea15]

No its not if you can say P(R^R) >aleph 2 then it's most certainly not exempt from the arithmetics that I said the root would exist beyond

Once again no its not if it was we wouldn't powerset aleph 1 to reach aleph 2 you're mis-using the term inaccessible in mathematical context

They are literally and I told you if that's not the case it leads to contradictions therefore high 1-A should hold

Calling the infinity finite is a metaphor to say it has limits if you think the statement is literal like that you're saying nasuverse doesn't have r>f because every infinity in it except the root is just finite that's not how it works

It definitely does your interpretation is way off context

And your reason for that is its talking ab binary relation aka finite and infinity which appears to me that you're taking the statement literal which leads to further contradictions because it would be inferring that nasuverse has no r>f difference and everything in the verse is downgraded to below high 3-A because everything is finite but the root then leads to the root being high 3-A

I'm just showing you out of every interpretation that the people had against it yours leads to the most absurd conclusion of them

aDude, numbers, sets, dimensions and cardinals. There is an absolute "inaccessibility" between each higher set and the sub- set. And you can compare Aleph 1 and Aleph 2 with the logical approach to any of the examples I mentioned above. Because Alpeh 1 is a technically, subset of Aleph 2.

 

[Tdjwo]

aDude, numbers, sets, dimensions and cardinals. There is an absolute "inaccessibility" between each higher set and the sub- set.

This is completely not true. There is a reason why the difference between tier 1A to tier High 1A is larger than the difference between Tier 10 to Tier High 1B. The inacessible cardinal begins from High 1A. The scan shown shows that recursively stacking infinities even in a non-euclidean infinite space, would never reach " ". That is blatantly an inaccessible cardinal description. Furthermore, its stated to be the concept of infinity and the "True Infinity" An inacessible cardinal doesn't get more obvious than that.

 

[Udlmaster]

Calling the infinity finite is a metaphor to say it has limits if you think the statement is literal like that you're saying nasuverse doesn't have r>f because every infinity in it except the root is just finite that's not how it works

It already does this, in the sense everything in the verse is beneath the Swirl. This isn't impressive.

Like, a Transcendence right now is a greater than infinite surpass.

So, even if we went with this very strange interpretation which supposed the Author is aware of R>F, which they don't, this is a niche internet term (and no, being aware of VS battling doesn't mean they understand all the nuances for a statement like this to be High 1-A), this statement by itself proves nothing, it's not persuasive.

It definitely does your interpretation is way off context

But nothing you have shown shows this.

And your reason for that is its talking ab binary relation aka finite and infinity which appears to me that you're taking the statement literal which leads to further contradictions because it would be inferring that nasuverse has no r>f difference and everything in the verse is downgraded to below high 3-A because everything is finite but the root then leads to the root being high 3-A

I'm just showing you out of every interpretation that the people had against it yours leads to the most absurd conclusion of them all

No, it wouldn't...

It talking about the Binary existence of Finite and Infinite is a binary, a duality, which exists regardless of any R>F differences in a story, because binaries exist on all levels of reality, not just the 3 Dimensional world.

Furthermore, Nasuverse HAVING R>F transcendences isn't an in story thing, it's a label we have given it after the fact. R>F is an arbitrary rating we have for our system, evidenced by the fact that our measuring tools are constantly changing. This isn't like the Metric system where we can have constants across the world on an objective level.

This entire discussion seems like another example of Scale brain rot infecting the words of people who don't have it, so people reach for the highest conclusion of any given statement to try and get their verses to the biggest number TM.

Ultimately, I don't find your argument persuasive in the slightest, especially when you can't back up your claim with evidence so you're trying to prove it through Contradiction.

 

[Maxeez]

So, even if we went with this very strange interpretation which supposed the Author is aware of R>F, which they don't, this is a niche internet term

Furthermore, Nasuverse HAVING R>F transcendences isn't an in story thing, it's a label we have given it after the fact.

What do you mean by that ? It is a story thing (from Extra CCC for instance) and was explained in details by Rin and Rani.
The fact that nasu doesn't know the precise "r>f" term does not really matter when he has shown to understand the differences between dimensions by making an analogy with a flat Scroll/Book (refer to BB's explanation for higher dimensional existence and how Zelretch sees the timelines below him as a book since I can't link stuff for some reason).

 

[Theoretical]

It already does this, in the sense everything in the verse is beneath the Swirl. This isn't impressive.

Did you even read what I said I said your interpretation entails that infinity being finite is literal which leads to everything in the verse being 3-A and below and the root being the only thing that's high 3-A

Like, a Transcendence right now is a greater than infinite surpass.

What are you even saying

So, even if we went with this very strange interpretation which supposed the Author is aware of R>F, which they don't

How can you implement something that you're not aware of that's stupid oh I will implement the existence of the 5th dimension but I'm still not aware of it stuff like this also derails the thread r>f is already accepted in the nasuverse

(and no, being aware of VS battling doesn't mean they understand all the nuances for a statement like this to be High 1-A)

Who said nasu understands all the nuances there's no way this dude is actually serious, just because he doesn't understand all the nuances doesn't entail he doesn't understand this one you're just saying random stuff because you can't find it in yourself to provide an actual refutation

It talking about the Binary existence of Finite and Infinite is a binary, a duality

That's not what the statement is referring to i already told you if you take the statement that literally it leads to a contradiction again because every infinity in the verse would just be finite and everything in the nasuverse will be 3-A and Below and the root will be high 3-A which doesn't even make sense because r>f already exists so your interpretation taking the statement as literal leads to such contradictions I already told you this has nothing to to do with duality its just a metaphor to explain how such infinities have limits then the analogy of non Euclidean space was gaven which already exists in the verse

which exists regardless of any R>F differences in a story, because binaries exist on all levels of reality, not just the 3 Dimensional world.

Once again your interpretation is just not it

Furthermore, Nasuverse HAVING R>F transcendences isn't an in story thing, it's a label we have given it after the fact.

It is the idea is already implemented lol its in the story its label is that the notion is in the story therefore its in the story

Non Euclidean geometrical spaces exists not only as a notion but as a label too you're just rambling and I'd like to point out non Euclidean geometrical spaces have r>f

The idea of r>f corresponds to mathematical arithmetics that I already explained beforehand

R>F is an arbitrary rating we have for our system, evidenced by the fact that our measuring tools are constantly changing.

It's neither arbitrary and is not a measuring tool it's how dimensionality works its a the nature of dimensionality explains in terms relating to empirical evidence mathematical arithmetics that I explained beforehand correspond to r>f

This isn't like the Metric system where we can have constants across the world on an objective level.

What are you even saying dude

This entire discussion seems like another example of Scale brain rot infecting the words of people who don't have it

You're literally the only one who's rambling rn your interpretation leads to contradictions and you're rambling ab random stuff saying r>f doesn't exist in any reality its just a term we label which is objectively wrong as I explained beforehand

And you went on to say nasu is not aware of all the nuances in power scaling which is an impossible burden to prove but he doesn't have to have it and him not being aware of all nuance doesn't entail he wouldn't be aware of this one

so people reach for the highest conclusion of any given statement to try and get their verses to the biggest number TM.

It's not the biggest number unfortunately it can be tier 0 but high 1-A is fine so this assumption is off too just like everything you said

Ultimately, I don't find your argument persuasive in the slightest, especially when you can't back up your claim with evidence

And you find your argument to be persuasive even when it leads to a contradictory conclusion

so you're trying to prove it through Contradiction.

Proof by contradiction is a valid way of proving something especially when it's a case where people have different interpretations what's wrong with that

 

[Theoretical]

[] would also support it having those properties of unreachability in mathematical context which further supports high 1-A

[] still exists beyond things accepted as 1-A such as Roa's soul and the origin which is accepted to exist within the root via that one nasuverse concept crt

So again nonetheless still no solid refutations

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Definitely not SCP even if this thread is accepted

Scp is just too far wanked

 

[Theoretical]

There is an absolute "inaccessibility" between each higher set and the sub- set.

The term absolute inaccessibility doesn't exist please don't bring your mathematics head Canon here and actually start saying something with substance

you can compare Aleph 1 and Aleph 2 with the logical approach to any of the examples I mentioned above. Because Alpeh 1 is a technically, subset of Aleph 2.

And the difference between Aleph 1 and Aleph 2 is still not exempt from the arithmetics that I explained beforehand because it's still requires powersetting to reach the next lol