Lucifer Morningstar Hax Revision

[LazyMortician]

Abstract Existence (Type 2): Lucifer is the Darkness that defines his Father's Light. Without Lucifer (Darkness), there is no Yahweh (Light). Lucifer was erased after removing himself from the Book of Destiny, but would not be Yahweh (Light) while he was gone. Darkness was necessary for light to exist, and therefore Lucifer came back.

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1): Lucifer is a concept. Dark concept. And he moves with his avatars.

 

[Deagonx]

I agree with AE, not NEP.

 

[LazyMortician]

I agree with AE, not NEP.

Actually, this is due to my incorrect use of expressions. Nep1 should be added, not because it's a concept, but because, as Raguel says, there was a dark and eternal nothingness similar to the Brahma Sea before Lucifer was created. But I couldn't find the scan for it.

 

[Robo432343]

Can’t the whole lucifer being an avatar count for immo type 9

 

[Samael_010]

cant we just merge TGD and Lucifer profile?? especially after the latest HGR thread that concluded 2018 run as the same continuity

 

[Robo432343]

also i don't think its possible if you have AE type 1 and AE type 2 at the same time

 

[LazyMortician]

cant we just merge TGD and Lucifer profile?? especially after the latest HGR thread that concluded 2018 run as the same continuity

There's the Dark Crisis Deadly Green barrier for that.

 

[Samael_010]

There's the Dark Crisis Deadly Green barrier for that.

what barrier?

 

[LazyMortician]

also i don't think its possible if you have AE type 1 and AE type 2 at the same time

It could be quite natural. The continuity of the stories is not exactly the same.

 

[LazyMortician]

what barrier?

Lucifer is an aspect of TGD. The merging of profiles seems very improbable.

 

[Samael_010]

Lucifer is an aspect of TGD. The merging of profiles seems very improbable.

Why Lucifer is an aspect of TGD though? TGD is Lucifer make more sense. That a common trope for a character to show their true identity to one they know, and as yo thread said Lucifer act with his avatar, especially its written by Dan Watters it would make more sense prior to his 2018 run.

 

[LazyMortician]

Lucifer neden TGD'nin bir yönü? TGD Lucifer daha mantıklı. Bir karakterin tanıdıklarına gerçek kimliğini göstermesi için yaygın bir mecaz ve sizin de söylediğiniz gibi Lucifer avatarıyla hareket ediyor, özellikle Dan Watters tarafından yazılmış, 2018 koşusundan önce daha mantıklı olurdu.

Because Dan Watters is an idiot. This idea could have been implemented until Deadly Green, but now there is uncertainty.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with AE, not NEP.

This seems fine to me.

 

[LazyMortician]

I also think Lucifer should have Immo type 8 because of this conceptual advantage.

 

[Robo432343]

Lucifer with Abstract Existence type 1. It would be better to remove it and add type 2.

he has AE type 1 because he embodies will
we can't just remove that

 

[LazyMortician]

he has AE type 1 because he embodies will
we can't just remove that

So, as I said at the beginning, we will have to use it at the same time.

 

[Robo432343]

hold on wouldn't what you said be AE type 1? because Lucifer's physical manifestations are avatars
this is what the ae page says
"affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars."

 

[LazyMortician]

Even if Lucifer dies in this state, he will come back or be regenerated.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Have we merged the Sandman Universe Lucifer with Mike Carey version for this to be applicable?

Because Dan Watters is an idiot. This idea could have been implemented until Deadly Green, but now there is uncertainty.

I don't think Deadly Green contradicts anything from his Lucifer series and with the split I don't think that comic would impact the Sandman Universe in any way.

 

[LazyMortician]

Have we merged the Sandman Universe Lucifer with Mike Carey version for this to be applicable?

I don't think Deadly Green contradicts anything from his Lucifer series and with the split I don't think that comic would impact the Sandman Universe in any way.

Yes, we discussed it and the majority agreed.

TGD is shown as Lucifer's aspect but Lucifer looks like TGD's aspect.

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Yes, we discussed it and the majority agreed.

TGD is shown as Lucifer's aspect but Lucifer looks like TGD's aspect.

All we see is The Darkness taking shape of beings familiar to Constantine to speak with him, there is no indication of any relation- be its Lucifer being his aspect or vice versa- and that is irrelevant for the Sandman Universe.
When was the merge accepted actually for the series because the profile doesn't seem to show it?

 

[Robo432343]

we cant even do this
if we accept lucifer being TGD then thats compositing

 

[Robo432343]

Have we merged the Sandman Universe Lucifer with Mike Carey version for this to be applicable?

??? we have ages ago
look at the cosmology blog

 

[LazyMortician]

All we see is The Darkness taking shape of beings familiar to Constantine to speak with him, there is no indication of any relation- be its Lucifer being his aspect or vice versa- and that is irrelevant for the Sandman Universe.
When was the merge accepted actually for the series because the profile doesn't seem to show it?

In any case, the merging of the profiles of Lucifer and TGD is unnecessary.

 

[LazyMortician]

Anyway do you accept AE2? I have a scan for NEP but it seems a little underpowered.

 

[Robo432343]

Anyway do you accept AE2? I have a scan for NEP but it seems a little underpowered.

that nep scan you lost might qualify

 

[Samael_010]

we cant even do this
if we accept lucifer being TGD then thats compositing

If this revision actually get through that just a silent way to accept Lucifer as TGD

 

[Deagonx]

If this revision actually get through that just a silent way to accept Lucifer as TGD

It's not, but such a revision thread could be made. There's a good argument for it.

 

[LazyMortician]

that nep scan you lost might qualify

A scan for Nep but seems insufficient...

 

[Robo432343]

A scan for Nep but seems insufficient...

thats a good example of a possible nep rating

 

[LazyMortician]

thats a good example of a possible nep rating

Staff needs comment. AE2 is generally accepted.

 

[Robo432343]

idk man
wouldn't it be a contradiction if a characters gets ae 1 and 2 at the same time
i never seen a character that has both

 

[LazyMortician]

It's not, but such a revision thread could be made. There's a good argument for it.

Do you think it's possible for Lucifer to have AE type 1 and type 2 at the same time?

I say take a look at this scan for Nep1.

It seems likely that immo type 8 and type 9 will also be added.

 

[Robo432343]

Do you think it's possible for Lucifer to have AE type 1 and type 2 at the same time?

I say take a look at this scan for Nep1.

yeah i asked in a qna thread about it and you can have both

 

[LazyMortician]

yeah i asked in a qna thread about it and you can have both

Then it's time to talk about Nep1.

 

[LazyMortician]

Bump

 

[Samael_010]

I agree with robo on type 9 immortality, as this thread said Lucifer act through his avatar his true form is the darkness (we get this darkness being tgd part on another thread)

"There is a great beast. Slouching toward us

She orchestrates the world into remembering that the devil is there-- Has always has been there-- to be feared and remembered"

 

[Robo432343]

I agree with robo on type 9 immortality, as this thread said Lucifer act through his avatar his true form is the darkness (we get this darkness being tgd part on another thread)

"There is a great beast. Slouching toward us

She orchestrates the world into remembering that the devil is there-- Has always has been there-- to be feared and remembered"

This would replace his HGR. Though i have a question why surviving from Lucifer flame give HGR? I saw this on some profile, and on another wiki Lucifer got HGR for this reason.

why would immo 9 be switched with hgr

 

[Samael_010]

why would immo 9 be switched with hgr

Because im dumb nvm dont mention that

 

[LazyMortician]

Tip 9 ölümsüzlük konusunda robo ile aynı fikirdeyim, bu başlık Lucifer'in avatarı aracılığıyla hareket ettiğini söylediği gibi, gerçek formu karanlıktır (bu karanlığı başka bir başlıkta tgd parçası olarak alıyoruz)

" Büyük bir canavar var . Bize doğru geliyor.

Dünyayı, şeytanın orada olduğunu - her zaman orada olduğunu - korkulmak ve hatırlanmak için olduğunu hatırlaması için yönetiyor.

Coming back because of this conceptual advantage earns him on Immo 8. What do you think about this?

Definitely an avatar of Geb Lucifer for the Lucifer 2018 series. But if we consider Vertigo and Dark Crisis, a bit of confusion arises. You can open a thread for this.

immo 9 neden hgr ile değiştirilsin ki?

Do you currently accept all AE2, Nep1 and Immo type 8 and type 9 changes?