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Dragon Ball Toei - Majin Buu Addition (+ A Bunch of Upgrades)

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Maverick_Zero_X said:
I don't see how? One is Space-Time Manipulation and the other is shaking. Shaking the universe isn't Universe level anyway.

Also, Yhwach's Low 2-C tiering is listed as Environmental Destruction too, which is what Buuhan's feat will be listed as.


I'd still some context for line quoted? Because Buuhan isn't "creating" anything to knowledge during the feat in question.
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Buuhans feat is already listed as 2-C via chain reaction on the db toei page and I agree with you it isn’t an AP feat but merely just a chain reaction feat
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
I don't see how? One is Space-Time Manipulation and the other is shaking. Shaking the universe isn't Universe level anyway.

Also, Yhwach's Low 2-C tiering is listed as Environmental Destruction too, which is what Buuhan's feat will be listed as.
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Ah I see, fair then, you got a point there.

But btw, to finish my derail, shaking a "Universal" structure could indeed be 3-A or higher depending on the verse context, obv. Becouse iirc would depend on how big is said Universe/what cosmology the verse has and stuff like that .
 
Quantu said:
  • Do not create discussion threads trying to upgrade the Z Anime and GT characters based on Super Buu crashing the universe by breaking the walls between dimensions with his Vice Shout as it was discussed and debunked countless times.
OP is not even trying to do this anyway. Focussing on the actual profile instead first and the feats proposed should be priority.
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well, this rule shouldn't even exist anymore, Buu is accepted as 2-C, implying that this rule exists.
 
godofice said:
Buuhans feat is already listed as 2-C via chain reaction on the db toei page and I agree with you it isn’t an AP feat but merely just a chain reaction feat
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that's it, just put Buu 2-C with environmental destruction, it's more than perfect, more than that is asking too much
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The feat isn't 2-C. The Daizenshuu 7 clarifies that the Outside Space only affects the Living Universe. The area of effect was on a spatial level, too.
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It’s talking about the space covering the living universe and than wiping out the universe it’s just more evidence of distortion and it being a chain reaction feat
The wall between dimensions isn’t evidence of it being spatial it’s actually evidence for it being otherwise since it’s said that the realms are seperated by space and time and that would just be more evidence of it affecting dimensional walls (space and time)
Anyways this isn’t the topic for it and it’s merely a chain reaction feat I would suggest all of you to stop chatting about it as this isn’t the thread for it you may try to downgrade or upgrade this feat in another thread


Eseseso said:
How are Base Super Buu and Buutenks 3-B?
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I don’t think they are I think this is just scaling to Buuhan and Vegito and technically ssj3 goku and ssj2 vegeta since Kid Buu>buuhan
 
godofice said:
It’s talking about the space covering the living universe and than wiping out the universe it’s just more evidence of distortion and it being a chain reaction feat
The wall between dimensions isn’t evidence of it being spatial it’s actually evidence for it being otherwise since it’s said that the realms are seperated by space and time and that would just be more evidence of it affecting dimensional walls (space and time)
Anyways this isn’t the topic for it and it’s merely a chain reaction feat I would suggest all of you to stop chatting about it as this isn’t the thread for it you may try to downgrade or upgrade this feat in another thread



I don’t think they are I think this is just scaling to Buuhan and Vegito and technically ssj3 goku and ssj2 vegeta since Kid Buu>buuhan
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Well the blog for Toei Buu puts Super Buu and Buutenks at 3-B
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Source? Because the linked scan doesn't mention that at all.

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Tbh, Im ok with the grand supreme kai planet bust. It's a statement backed by an explicit visual. And while not exactly the best evidence of support, Goku and Buu throughout the fight cause huge damage to the planet, like blowing beams through it, causes huge craters and sink holes that can be seen from space, and even leaving trails of explosions (also a MFTL+ feat).
So imo, Buu being able to bust the planet, while it would probably take a notable charge time to generate a ki blast that strong, I don't think it's unsupported by his own direct feats and as said, having an explicit visual is good too.

Even just calcing the sink holes when buu tosses that one energy ball would likely get an upgrade to tier 3 (As in it absolutely would, that's straight up multi-galactic sized craters).

Heaven stuff sus af tho.
Edit: When I said Grand Kai Planet, I meant supreme kai, oops.
 
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I personally have nothing against using the Grand Kai's planet busting feat, but I still think Buuhan should be considered stronger than Kid Buu. The former required Vegito in order to stand a chance where as Goku was implied he could have bested just by going SSJ3 had he had the stamina to do so, but he lost it ever since he was revived by Old Kai.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I personally have nothing against using the Grand Kai's planet busting feat, but I still think Buuhan should be considered stronger than Kid Buu. The former required Vegito in order to stand a chance where as Goku was implied he could have bested just by going SSJ3 had he had the stamina to do so, but he lost it ever since he was revived by Old Kai.
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are you ok with the kaioshin realm feat?
 
Hold on, lemme try something:

Buuhan is 1/50th of Kid Buu

Ultimate Gohan is over 1/2 of that for sure, as he is far above Buucilo (who is 99.99% just Super Buu), so he'd be far above 61.4 Ronnafoe

Buutenks is >= Gohan (which IMO was done better in the anime than the manga where Gohan just got stomped), so he'd also be far above 61.4 Ronnafoe

Super Buu is 1/2 of Buutenks, as he is SSJ3 Gotenks + Super Buu, and keep in mind that they were equal so they'd each be 1/2 of Buutenks. Thus, he'd be above 30.7 ronnafoe but far below 61.4 ronnafore, which is consistent with Ultimate Gohan clapping him.
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
I still think Buuhan should be considered stronger than Kid Buu. The former required Vegito in order to stand a chance where as Goku was implied he could have bested just by going SSJ3 had he had the stamina to do so, but he lost it ever since he was revived by Old Kai.
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While yes, Buuhan should be stronger than Kid Buu, based on what was previously established, that gets thrown out when:
  • Goku and Vegeta miraculously gain enough power to compete with Ultimate Gohan and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in their regular Super Saiyan forms
  • Kid Buu being repeatedly stated, by Goku, the narrator, and supplemental material to be on a whole different level than all the other Buus
  • Goku being portrayed as superior to Gotenks in the 2 filler episodes after Kid Buu was defeated
  • Hirudegarn one-shotting SSJ3 Gotenks and defeating Ultimate Gohan with ease but matching SSJ3 Goku
 
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