STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Qawsedf234]

Would God have immeasurable speed if he observed the whole instance of Saitama traveling through time and punching Garou?

No, since it could just be cosmic senses. Immeasurable speed would have to be him moving or fighting through time without a power like Saitama/Ghost Garou.

 

[BlackeJan]

You mean a terrible ship with no support kek

Current chapter says otherwise mrk

HAHAHAHA! NOT JUST 1 HE GOT 2 OF THEM HAHAHAHA LE SUCK IT

 

[Quangotjokes]

No, since it could just be cosmic senses. Immeasurable speed would have to be him moving or fighting through time without a power like Saitama/Ghost Garou.

What are cosmic lenses? Like the cosmic awarness?

 

[Recon1511]

No, since it could just be cosmic senses. Immeasurable speed would have to be him moving or fighting through time without a power like Saitama/Ghost Garou.

I guess this could be used as a supporting statement later on
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[ZillertheBucko]

The balls have also been slapped away by the Tentacle girl and when talking about its piercing power he states it can "even punch through x millimeters of hardened steel". Low 7-B piercing doesn't make sense with either one. Especially when we know that Garou can be stabbed with arrows and get cuts on other things that shouldn't harm him assuming a realistic level of durability.

Being cut just isn't a feat when Garou isn't shown to be resistant to cutting attacks really.

or maybe the things that cut him are just low 7-B? This is an insane line of logic that's making exceptions for no reason
we accept normal humans as being wall level, we accept zombieman as having desert eagles that can level a neighborhood, so why all of a sudden not accept garou being damaged by piercing multiple times as scaling? Maybe just accept the fact that a character damaged a low 7-B character, and therfore should scale. If other characters were able to damage him, they scale too, it's just that simple.

 

[Damage3245]

or maybe the things that cut him are just low 7-B? This is an insane line of logic that's making exceptions for no reason
we accept normal humans as being wall level, we accept zombieman as having desert eagles that can level a neighborhood, so why all of a sudden not accept garou being damaged by piercing multiple times as scaling? Maybe just accept the fact that a character damaged a low 7-B character, and therfore should scale. If other characters were able to damage him, they scale too, it's just that simple.

Is this your first time hearing about piercing damage & slashing damage on the wiki?

We even have a note on this on the Durability page.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Is this your first time hearing about piercing damage & slashing damage on the wiki?

We even have a note on this on the Durability page.

I am fully aware, which is why I'm arguing this
we give ratings things like "higher with piercing" all the time
in this case, golden ball is low 7-B with piercing. Even if he can't actually output low 7-B force on garou's level, his piercing damage can harm those that are low 7-B, hence low 7-B with piercing.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This is an insane line of logic that's making exceptions for no reason

No, that's a rather notable thing throughout fiction and even in OPM. Like Damage said we even have a durability page note. If the character is shown to be susceptible to sharp things (like Wonder Woman for example), we don't scale people to their tier based on cutting them.

so why all of a sudden not accept garou being damaged by piercing multiple times as scaling

Because the enemy Zombieman fought with his pistols didn't showcase a weakness to piercing attacks like Garou has. If it was cut by shards of glass or a knife by someone much weaker than Zombieman, we also wouldn't scale the guns to him. Look at Halo for example. We scale the guns different from Master Chief because the guns have different levels of power and don't full scale in that franchise.

 

[Damage3245]

I am fully aware, which is why I'm arguing this
we give ratings things like "higher with piercing" all the time
in this case, golden ball is low 7-B with piercing. Even if he can't actually output low 7-B force on garou's level, his piercing damage can harm those that are low 7-B, hence low 7-B with piercing.

Why is Golden Ball's projectiles somehow reaching as high as Low 7-B (despite, you know, richocheting off of brick walls without damaging them) more likely than Garou just being hurt by something that is weaker than Low 7-B?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No, that's a rather notable thing throughout fiction and even in OPM. Like Damage said we even have a durability page note. If the character is shown to be susceptible to sharp things (like Wonder Woman for example), we don't scale people to their tier based on cutting them.

it's true that we don't scale their striking strength to it
what isn't true is the idea that we can't add a note that h is capable of piercing low 7-B characters

Because the enemy Zombieman fought with his pistols didn't showcase a weakness to piercing attacks like Garou has. If it was cut by shards of glass or a knife by someone much weaker than Zombieman, we also wouldn't scale the guns to him. Look at Halo for example. We scale the guns different from Master Chief because the guns have different levels of power and don't full scale in that franchise.

Again, there is no assumption that garou has an extreme "weakness to piercing damage" unless it's proven
if characters have pierced garou, then their attacks can pierce low 7-B characters. This is a wild jump in logic.

Why is Golden Ball's projectiles somehow reaching as high as Low 7-B (despite, you know, richocheting off of brick walls without damaging them) more likely than Garou just being hurt by something that is weaker than Low 7-B?

well we already know damn well that if golden ball was 9-A, the walls would still be completely obliterated regardless
if this is your counterargument, then it would therefore also apply to his current rating and you'd have to say that golden ball is like baseline 9-C with piercing or something.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

on another note
how is that high 7-A bang scaling cooking

 

[Recon1511]

Now that you mention it, Golden Ball 9-A justification is straight up wrong so he is probably 9-B with his actual feats or whatever piercing through 5 milimeters of thick iron plate yields

 

[Qawsedf234]

what isn't true is the idea that we can't add a note that h is capable of piercing low 7-B characters

Again, there is no assumption that garou has an extreme "weakness to piercing damage" unless it's proven

Garou has been cut by Golden Ball, cut by a spear, shot by bullets, shot by arrows and is then stabbed in a superior form by a person who he also one shots.

EDIT: Forgot, deflect Death Gatling's bullets also completely messed up his hands

So I'm asking you this Ziller: Provide a feat where Garou isn't cut by something.

This is a wild jump in logic.

It's not. Its a standard applied to multiple other franchises and OPM isn't exempt from it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Garou has been cut by Golden Ball, cut by a spear, shot by bullets, shot by arrows and is then stabbed in a superior form by a person who he also one shots.

EDIT: Forgot, deflect Death Gatling's bullets also completely messed up his hands

So I'm asking you this Ziller: Provide a feat where Garou isn't cut by something.

And I am saying I have absolutely no obligation to do so
all this means is that these things just have piercing that scale to his durability
the idea that the burden of proof is on ME to prove that something that damaged a low 7-B character is low 7-B is absolute insanity.
You literally have nothing whatsoever suggesting that any of these things shouldn't scale to his durability.

 

[ByAsura]

We already agreed in past threads not to scale sharp object feats to Garou, but also not to put the weakness on his profile.

It's insanely obvious that attacks Kombu Infinity deflected shouldn't scale to Garou.

 

[Recon1511]

Question, what ability is this?
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Is it "Summoning"?

 

[Qawsedf234]

And I am saying I have absolutely no obligation to do so

Then you have zero ground to stand on. I provided evidence for my point, so it's on you to disprove it. If you don't have any evidence then you don't have any grounds to suggest upscaling.

You literally have nothing whatsoever suggesting that any of these things shouldn't scale to his durability.

Every time Garou encounters a sharp or piercing attack, it cuts him. I'm asking you to give any evidence where something sharp or piercing hits him and fails to do damage.

 

[Damage3245]

And I am saying I have absolutely no obligation to do so
all this means is that these things just have piercing that scale to his durability
the idea that the burden of proof is on ME to prove that something that damaged a low 7-B character is low 7-B is absolute insanity.
You literally have nothing whatsoever suggesting that any of these things shouldn't scale to his durability.

Can you prove that merely piercing Garou's skin is equal to Low 7-B?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

on another note
how is that high 7-A bang scaling cooking

Not so sure about that

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Then you have zero ground to stand on. I provided evidence for my point, so it's on you to disprove it. If you don't have any evidence then you don't have any grounds to suggest upscaling.

you provided evidence that other people have been able to damage garou
which means literally absolutely NOTHING if you can't prove that they can't be low 7-B with their piercing

Every time Garou encounters a sharp or piercing attack, it cuts him. I'm asking you to give any evidence where something sharp or piercing hits him and fails to do damage.

and where is your evidence that garou is specifically weak to these attacks? Attacks damaged him, so what? You are the one who needs to prove that the characters that damaged a low 7-B character aren't low 7-B with piercing.

Can you prove that merely piercing Garou's skin is equal to Low 7-B?

It doesn't mean they're outputting low 7-B force, it means they can pierce a character with low 7-B durability, meaning they have low 7-B piercing
I am so sick of this. When did we get to the point where a character that damages a low 7-B character can't scale to low 7-B without more proof.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Not so sure about that

yeah ik
that's why I said high 7-A instead of 6-C

 

[Recon1511]

Any of you guys know the speed of a projectile shot by a slingshot? Golden Ball current speed rating is wrong so I guess that would be the most accurate value we could give him

 

[Qawsedf234]

You are the one who needs to prove that the characters that damaged a low 7-B character aren't low 7-B with piercing.

You're moving the goal posts Ziller. Provide a feat or drop it.

To add though:

• Golden Ball has his projectiles deflected by someone Tomboy pierces without damage their limb
• The various C and B Class people aren't mentioned as having any notably stronger projectiles
• Death Gatling is the only one with a gun that scales to 9-A or above and just deflects the bullets wrecked Garou's hands
• Stinger never once failed at cutting Garou's skin and he gets one tapped by DSK

If you cannot disprove that point, then it Garou's durability falls under our piercing durability section of the durability. Like with Wonder Woman, we just don't scale piercing attacks to his standard durability or AP.

I am so sick of this. When did we get to the point where a character that damages a low 7-B character can't scale to low 7-B without more proof.

Wonder Woman is planetary. Wonder Woman can also be shot by a Glock. We don't rate glocks as planet-busting, we say that you can't scale piercing attacks to Wonder Woman's durability for profiling. This has been a thing for years Ziller, its not anything new.

 

[ByAsura]

Let's put this into another perspective.

Stinger (who's above these characters) got wrecked by DSK, and heavily damaged by his way weaker subordinates.

Garou is stronger than a version of (prior to his G4 upgrades, but after the Alien Conqueror arc) Genos that could kill Hydrated DSK with a volley.

Garou at full power >>>>> DSK >>>>> almost all of these characters.

Also, characters with this level of combat power, like Fudonoshi and Iaian, are specifically the highest ranking A-Class and separated from pretty much everyone else through dialogue and feats. It makes no sense for most of these characters (except Mustachio, since he holds back) to be anywhere near most S-Class.

 

[Damage3245]

I like how this looks from a consistency viewpoint.

Garou gets hurt by piercing attacks from multiple low-tier characters. Clearly it is the multiple significantly weaker characters who are in need of an upgrade, and not a case of Garou being vulnerable to their attacks....

The solution to everything isn't always just auto-scale the characters and upgrade them without even considering alternatives.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

yeah ik
that's why I said high 7-A instead of 6-C

The whole 6-C and High 7-A scaling is getting axed because Garou's 6-C calc is bunk and Golden Sperm/Platinum Speen aren't directly scaling to Homeless Emperor's High 7-A ball (I don't think so, anyway)

 

[TheRustyOne]

Wonder Woman is planetary. Wonder Woman can also be shot by a Glock. We don't rate glocks as planet-busting, we say that you can't scale piercing attacks to Wonder Woman's durability for profiling. This has been a thing for years Ziller, its not anything new.

What does this mean for versus threads? Ignoring the fact this is wonder woman. Do we assume the character in question can easily be harmed by a character from multiplier tiers lower because they have a sharp weapon like a sword or gun? Is this also not the text book definition of an outlier?

Back to the question, can a 8-A character or whatever stab Garou if they use a sword/sharp weapon?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What does this mean for versus threads?

For versus threads, if its an accepted weakness/vulnerability, it means that the character isn't defaulted to realistically withstand a slashing attack.

To use an example, John Wick shooting Boros assumes Boros is unharmed, because his durability defaults to standard assumptions on pressure.

John Wick shooting Garou would have Garou get damaged if the bullet hits him.

8-A character or whatever stab Garou if they use a sword/sharp weapon?

Yes

EDIT: I should mention that this would only apply to Human Garou. His stronger and more armored forms would require independent evidence that he's still weaker to piercing attacks than he should be.

 

[ByAsura]

I wouldn't say Garou is vulnerable to normal ass bullets, at least. He's never been harmed by a C-Class.

 

[LordTracer]

Current chapter says otherwise mrk

HAHAHAHA! NOT JUST 1 HE GOT 2 OF THEM HAHAHAHA LE SUCK IT

Genuine question, did you actually read the chapter? Because literally nothing there implied that there was a romance between Saitama and Tatsumaki.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wouldn't say Garou is vulnerable to normal ass bullets, at least. He's never been harmed by a C-Class.

Yeah, I agree. My point was that Garou has shown a consistent vulnerability to sharp objects, even when they're used by radically weaker people like B-Class heroes. So we shouldn't scale people to his standard durability just because they happen to cut him.

 

[Recon1511]

I wouldn't say Garou is vulnerable to normal ass bullets, at least. He's never been harmed by a C-Class.

I think he did get pierced by Gun-Gun weapon and that one looks like a normal revolver

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You're moving the goal posts Ziller. Provide a feat or drop it.

To add though:

• Golden Ball has his projectiles deflected by someone Tomboy pierces without damage their limb

This has no relevance on garou. All it shows is that golden ball's projectiles are weaker than tomboy.

• The various C and B Class people aren't mentioned as having any notably stronger projectiles

And they don't have to be mentiond as such if their power is directly shown.

• Death Gatling is the only one with a gun that scales to 9-A or above and just deflects the bullets wrecked Garou's hands

not really sure what you meant by this one, but again there's nothing here even remotely supporting that death gatling's bullets shouldn't be able to do this

• Stinger never once failed at cutting Garou's skin and he gets one tapped by DSK

Stinger's physicals don't scale to the bamboo stick, and the entire fight was literally the aftermath of him getting one shot in a single panel
we literally see nothing showing dsk withstanding a direct attack from stinger
this evidence of yours is offensively bad and makes no attempt to actually support the idea that garou has any special weakness to being pierced.

Wonder Woman is planetary. Wonder Woman can also be shot by a Glock. We don't rate glocks as planet-busting, we say that you can't scale piercing attacks to Wonder Woman's durability for profiling. This has been a thing for years Ziller, its not anything new.

If that's the case then that is insanely stupid as shit, because that is the most obvious number one example of an outlier.

Let's put this into another perspective.

Stinger (who's above these characters) got wrecked by DSK, and heavily damaged by his way weaker subordinates.

Garou is stronger than a version of (prior to his G4 upgrades, but after the Alien Conqueror arc) Genos that could kill Hydrated DSK with a volley.

Garou at full power >>>>> DSK >>>>> almost all of these characters.

Also, characters with this level of combat power, like Fudonoshi and Iaian, are specifically the highest ranking A-Class and separated from pretty much everyone else through dialogue and feats. It makes no sense for most of these characters (except Mustachio, since he holds back) to be anywhere near most S-Class.

Stinger's spear literally never even touches deep sea king. Also, it already scales to high 7-C to begin with, so we know it would have damaged him anyways
this is insanity.

I like how this looks from a consistency viewpoint.

Garou gets hurt by piercing attacks from multiple low-tier characters. Clearly it is the multiple significantly weaker characters who are in need of an upgrade, and not a case of Garou being vulnerable to their attacks....

The solution to everything isn't always just auto-scale the characters and upgrade them without even considering alternatives.

Characters that have no showing of having their piercing being weaker than garou, no kind of anti feat or scaling or anything that could suggest that they can't have low 7-B piercing.
It's as if you're choosing to be as ignorant as possible here.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I think he did get pierced by Gun-Gun weapon and that one looks like a normal revolver

zombieman has a high 7-C gun which is literally just a desert eagle.
in fact, guns in opm would have to automatically be 9-B or high into 9-C to damage regular humans anyways
regular gun argument does not apply

 

[Damage3245]

If that's the case then that is insanely stupid as shit, because that is the most obvious number one example of an outlier.

If we're talking outliers now, then Garou being hurt by weaker piercing/cutting attacks is far more consistent than all those attacks suddenly being Small City level.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Is this also not the text book definition of an outlier?

DC writers just unironically made sharp objects Wonder Woman’s Kryptonite at the time. Though that’s no longer the case for her current iteration.

Wolverine also has 2-C Piercing Attacks, comics are just dumb.

 

[ByAsura]

Stinger's spear literally never even touches deep sea king. Also, it already scales to high 7-C to begin with, so we know it would have damaged him anyways
this is insanity.

Not talking about his spear. His body alone is stronger than most of these people and their weaponry through scaling.

As for his spear scaling to Garou, I'm neutral on that, but I just disagree with everyone else except for maybe Chain'n'toad since it's implied he did crack some bones.

 

[LordTracer]

Wolverine also has 2-C Piercing Attacks, comics are just dumb.

Tbf that’s less because of piercing damage and moreso because Adamantium is really strong.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This has no relevance on garou.

It does, because it means characters weaker than Garou can physically deflect the attack without damage

And they don't have to be mentiond as such if their power is directly shown.

That would be something if Garou had any feats that supported resistance against piercing attacks. As such they're evidence he's vulnerable to that attack vector.

not really sure what you meant by this one

Death Gatling's bullets shredded Garou's hands, despite the fact that he deflected them which means he wouldn't need to take the full brunt of their kinetic energy.

Stinger's physicals don't scale to the bamboo stick,

Stinger is physically inferior to Garou and his weapon consistently pierces Garou every time. This is important, as his spear head is literally just bamboo his family grows on a farm and isn't manufactured.

If that's the case then that is insanely stupid as shit, because that is the most obvious number one example of an outlier.

It's not an outlier if it consistently happens. Then its just something we have to deal with.

this evidence of yours is offensively bad and makes no attempt to actually support the idea that garou has any special weakness to being pierced.

Provide a feat Ziller.

 

[Qawsedf234]

DC writers just unironically made sharp objects Wonder Woman’s Kryptonite at the time. Though that’s no longer the case for her current iteration.

Her current iteration has been shot and nearly killed three times now. The only time she's been bulletproof recently was with a Cheetah arc.