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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

Ehnkr2beboh said:
not really something that should be attributed to the GL rings.
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Not saying all rings have that power but can reach such power for the rings themselves has nothing to do with characters who use it as it varies between them and their willpower

Ehnkr2beboh said:
This is totally a fair point, we already do have standard GL users in this range for Pre Crisis, so it definitely should be mentioned on the page.
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Thank you

Ehnkr2beboh said:
The fact that it's a special ring makes it hard to let other rings scale off it. Kyle could barely even handle using Hal's ring.
Hal also doesn't need his ring to become Raw Willpower, he was already doing that when he only had Krona's Gauntlet, so that's also not contingent off the ring.
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It's about the level the Green lantern power ring can reach obviously not all ring users reach absurd high levels in power, Hal dosen't need it but Krona gauntlet as stated in those books has the power of 8 lantern rings iirc and when Hal fought parallax sinestro he was using a single ring when he became willpower, this shows his power increases via the lantern ring that's the point it means lantern rings can reach absurd levels by extreme willpower not anyone can reach such levels, it needs to be indicated that characters reach such level by the rings so 2-C possibly 2-A needs to be mentioned for obvious reasons not like Hal Jordan can reach such level with anything connected to the power rings.
 
Vondoom said:
Not saying all rings have that power but can reach such power for the rings themselves has nothing to do with characters who use it as it varies between them and their willpower
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That's an external sort of thing though, like if the Presence put on a GL ring we wouldn't just slap on tier 1 to the GL ring page.
There can be arguments for the strongest GLs scaling/downscaling from the entities, but that's a pretty separate topic.
Vondoom said:
It's about the level the Green lantern power ring can reach obviously not all ring users reach absurd high levels in power, Hal dosen't need it but Krona gauntlet as stated in those books has the power of 8 lantern rings iirc and when Hal fought parallax sinestro he was using a single ring when he became willpower, this shows his power increases via the lantern ring that's the point it means lantern rings can reach absurd levels by extreme willpower not anyone can reach such levels, it needs to be indicated that characters reach such level by the rings so 2-C possibly 2-A needs to be mentioned for obvious reasons not like Hal Jordan can reach such level with anything connected to the power rings.
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The Gauntlet was equal to 12 rings, but I get the point. Hal's ring still makes it a bit of an odd case since it's not really comparable to any other GL power ring, but other rings shouldn't be infinitely weaker either, so I don't mind 2-C, possibly 2-A for higher levels of Willpower.
 
4B Superman doesn’t make any sense to me. Considering the fact that even weaker characters like Flash and green lantern has some 2C -2A showings in the current settings . Does current Superman has any feats or showings that lvl ?
 
AndrewBennet said:
4B Superman doesn’t make any sense to me. Considering the fact that even weaker characters like Flash and green lantern has some 2C -2A showings in the current settings . Does current Superman has any feats or showings that lvl ?
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2-C, possibly 2-A comes from peaks that they rarely use. The Flash rarely goes 2-C, possibly 2-A because of how dangerous it is, him stating he can't hold this form for very long periods of time, as well as the fact Flash at his peak has some higher showings than Supes in his 4-B self.

Hal is only 2-C, possibly 2-A when utilizing his raw willpower, something that doesn't scale to his base and a form he rarely ever uses, and he even stated he never utilized it due to the sheer environmental destruction it can cause and last time he did it blew up the planet he was on along with Sinestro.
 
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NHTkenshin2 said:
Got a question that i am not sure about
If The Presence represents a concept of god, where he “simply has a name and a face” entirely formed by Dreams, why would he fully scale to The Overvoid?

Isnt the Overvoid this big non-dual, entirely unbound by all concepts thing?
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The Presence has the Key of the divine Presence which is the divine Presence itself Its existence is the same as the Overvoid which is Beyond the entire DC multiverse and its all concepts
 
Sen said:
The Presence has the Key of the divine Presence which is the divine Presence itself Its existence is the same as the Overvoid which is Beyond the entire DC multiverse and its all concepts
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Isnt the divine presence like a DeMatteis thing?
 
NHTkenshin2 said:
Got a question that i am not sure about
If The Presence represents a concept of god, where he “simply has a name and a face” entirely formed by Dreams, why would he fully scale to The Overvoid?

Isnt the Overvoid this big non-dual, entirely unbound by all concepts thing?

Referring to this
vsbattles.fandom.com

DC Comics Cosmology Revision Project - Suggestion 2

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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That's only according to jm demattis and joshua Williamson cosmology . Even the void is a part of The Divine presence.

The current writer Joshua Williamson also treats the Overvoid as an aspect of The Darkness and Darkness as an aspect of the Source.
 
According to Demattis Cosmology from the recent DC revision blog .

The tiering would be
1: The Divine presence (1A or higher) views everything including the void as fiction and dreams. The god of all mythology including Buddhism and Hindusim.
2: Pralaya (low 1A ( with aspect) or higher in true form (Maybe 1A)
3:The Spectre key (1A)
4:The creator (Brahma or the voice) (1A)
5:Indra's heaven ( High 1B or Low 1A)
6:Odin' Henchmen who punked out Lords of orders and Chaos (The same beings were stomped by Lucifer in Joshua Williamson run) (low 1C or higher)
7:Lord of orders and Chaos ( low 1C or potentially higher) . They gave birth to all the physical universes
8: Dr fate ( low 1c)

??
 
AndrewBennet said:
According to Demattis Cosmology from the recent DC revision blog .

The tiering would be
1: The Divine presence (1A or higher) views everything including the void as fiction and dreams. The god of all mythology including Buddhism and Hindusim.
2: Pralaya (low 1A ( with aspect) or higher in true form (Maybe 1A)
3:The Spectre key (1A)
4:The creator (Brahma or the voice) (1A)
5:Indra's heaven ( High 1B or Low 1A)
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at Revised DC Comics Cosmology User Blog, DeMatteis Cosmology the totality of creation earned Tier High 1-B not Heaven
 
So basically any work of random writers on DC Cosmology is ignored? I've seen Prince of morning blog and most of the stuff from it are neglected or simply rejected in the new dc revision
 
NHTkenshin2 said:
Isnt the divine presence like a DeMatteis thing?
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Divine Presence and Presence are the same thing. There is no difference. It just means The Presence of God. If you are strictly talking about the title then no, its not strictly DeMatteis thing.

NHTkenshin2 said:
The Presence represents a concept of god, where he “simply has a name and a face” entirely formed by Dreams
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What do you mean by concept of God? Presence is called Yahweh as he is called by a billion other names. The name carries certain power with the idea associated with it as shown in Lucifer and no he isn't formed by Dreams. His being is shaped by it. Carey has a habit of introducing concepts and dropping it without delving further in. But as Presence said, he is infinite and eternal. Makes sense since Glory remained unaffected by Dream changing the Creation again. As per why the Presence scales to Overvoid? Its the consequences of merging Snyder, Morrison and Williamson.
 
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remember the time Darkseid got mugged
 
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