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the title says it all. Namor wasn't significantly weakened during the fight against Black Panther and i will show yall why. We first gotta understand how Namor's power works. This following conversation is Riri and Shuri talking abou their powers:
Shuri: "His physiology is completely different. None of them fly or have pointed ears like him. Several organisms dont need gills to extract oxygen from the water. So its like a jellyfish it absorbs the oxygen through its skin. its a process called Diffussion"
Riri then follows up by saying this:
Riri: "In the attack before he took down your plane he jumped back into the water, What if that is what makes him so strong. He's breathing air and getting oxygen from the water on his SKIN."
So now we know how Namor works. If he still has water on his skin he's at his strongest and needs to dive into the water to be at his peak. But how strong is Namor? Ryan Coogler, the director of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever states that:
He’s incredibly strong, he’s as strong as Thor, and if he’s around enough water he can be as strong as the Hulk
So with the combination of Coogler's quote and the in-universe explanation from both Shuri and Riri, evaporating the water on his skin makes him around the level of Thor and if he still has water on his skin he's around the level of Thor. More proof of this is when M'Baku got punched by Namor, he said that Namor is
As strong as The Hulk
which happened here:

Namor also came fresh out of the water before he punched M'Baku. His hair is wet and everything. So how does all this information tie into the final battle? Well during Talokan's invasion of Wakanda we see that Namor easily destroys Vibranium vehicles. And in the canon MCU book called "The Wakanda Files" Cap's shield and Wakandan vehicles are directly compared to one another. This means than Namor has exceeded the power of Thanos, because Thanos was only able to chip away at Cap's shield with his superior Uru blade and Uru is the most powerful metal in the MCU.

So Namor has now exceeded Thanos in terms of strenght so that means that Thor and Hulk have as well.

SO LET'S BREAKDOWN THE FINAL FIGHT
After Riri lured Namor in the Vibranium ship Black Panther activates the evaporating machine thing which, you guest it evaporates the water on Namor's skin. As soon as Namor realised what was going on we see him try to destroy the ship, but Black Panther doesnt let that happen and attacks Namor. BP punches and scartches him in the face but Namor punches her away, he then grabs his spear and destroy the Wakandan ship.

As seen here:

This right here. He's still able to destroy Wakandan Vehicles which are Thanos level+ feats.

So BP is recovering and looking around and we see Namor attacking BP from the sky:


This again is shows that Namor wasnt weakened because if he was he would have see him getting out of the water and then attacking BP. We have 2 options here:
  • Namor went into the water of screen and then attacked BP
  • Namor wasnt weakend at all and thats why he decided to continue to fight instead of going to the water.


They then fight where Namor got some good punches but after BP released her kinetic energy pulse it was basically all she wrote for Namor. He was getting kicked around and all that till he grabbed a spear and stabbed THROUGH Black Panthers suit.

This again is a very impressive feat for Namor because if we look closely at the spear Namor uses, we can see that its a Dora Milaje spear. In the first Black Panther movie its implied that Okoye (The leader of the Dora Milaje and the War General of Wakanda's army) couldnt pierce through Killmonger's suit. Thats why she said "remove the necklace". If she could pierce Vibranium she would have done so.

After that namor stabbed her he said that things couldve gone different and walks to the ocean and said "I need water".

People immediately use that line to suggest that Namor was SIGNIFICANTLY weakened but when you look at the straigt up facts you can see that he was fine the entire time. Only after Black Panther whooped his ass he wanted to go back into the ocean.

BP then removes her mask and its all bloody and stuff.

Which again is another huge deal because for reference T'Challa faced Thanos twice and never bled from his attacks but Shuri did once again proving that in that very Namor was above Thanos.

Thats basically all the evidence i have for why Namor wasn't SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKENED during the end fight and why Black Panther(Shuri), Black Panther(T'Challa), Black Panther(T'Chaka) and Black Panther(Killmonger) need to be 6B and high 6B with Vibranium Claws.
 
You literally just proved his was weakened outside of the water with your own evidences lol

"He's breathing air and getting oxygen from the water on his SKIN."

So when he's outside of water he's literally being deprived of oxygen and if he needs to dive in the water to be at his best then that literally means that he'd otherwise not be in top condition when he's outside.

Namor wasnt weakend at all and thats why he decided to continue to fight instead of going to the water.
Dude was out of water for several minutes of battle being superheated in the jet, then tanks intense heat from an explosion and is burnt to a crisp by a jet he was definitely weakened and tried making his way back into the water early on that's literally why he blew up the ship to begin with because he was being weakened
 
Which again is another huge deal because for reference T'Challa faced Thanos twice and never bled from his attacks but Shuri did once again proving that in that very Namor was above Thanos.

Thats basically all the evidence i have for why Namor wasn't SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKENED during the end fight and why Black Panther(Shuri), Black Panther(T'Challa), Black Panther(T'Chaka) and Black Panther(Killmonger) need to be 6B and high 6B with Vibranium Claws.
Also absolutely not T'challa isn't 6-B none of the Black Panther scale to that with any of their regular physicals maybe his claws at most but otherwise no and the hits from thanos tchalla takes are only a slam which spiderman takes as well and being hit by his blade both wouldn't amout to much since t'challas suit is special designed to take big impacts reducing the blow and absorbing the kinetic energy
 
Oh boy.

So now we know how Namor works. If he still has water on his skin he's at his strongest and needs to dive into the water to be at his peak. But how strong is Namor? Ryan Coogler, the director of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever states that:

So with the combination of Coogler's quote and the in-universe explanation from both Shuri and Riri, evaporating the water on his skin makes him around the level of Thor and if he still has water on his skin he's around the level of Thor. More proof of this is when M'Baku got punched by Namor, he said that Namor is

which happened here:
First off, we've already discussed this so many times why this statement is very weird and inconsistent, considering the fact that it does not even specify the version of either Thor or Hulk. And that's only because Namor wasn't dehydrated to a huge extent like Shuri has done to him.
This again is a very impressive feat for Namor because if we look closely at the spear Namor uses, we can see that its a Dora Milaje spear. In the first Black Panther movie its implied that Okoye (The leader of the Dora Milaje and the War General of Wakanda's army) couldnt pierce through Killmonger's suit. Thats why she said "remove the necklace". If she could pierce Vibranium she would have done so.

After that namor stabbed her he said that things couldve gone different and walks to the ocean and said "I need water".



Thats basically all the evidence i have for why Namor wasn't SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKENED during the end fight and why Black Panther(Shuri), Black Panther(T'Challa), Black Panther(T'Chaka) and Black Panther(Killmonger) need to be 6B and high 6B with Vibranium Claws.
If that's the case, then why did Shuri feel the need to dehydrate him with a heating device? Otherwise Namor would've stomped her to the ground pretty badly. And also, where are you even getting High 6-B from?
 
Dude was out of water for several minutes of battle being superheated in the jet, then tanks intense heat from an explosion and is burnt to a crisp by a jet he was definitely weakened and tried making his way back into the water early on that's literally why he blew up the ship to begin with because he was being weakened
but thats the problem. He didnt go back to the water after exploding the ship. at least we didnt see him coming from the water. if he was SUPER weakened he would have gone into the water and came back and attacked BP but he didnt. And we only see him walking to the water after BP literally kicked his ass
 
Also absolutely not T'challa isn't 6-B none of the Black Panther scale to that with any of their regular physicals maybe his claws at most but otherwise no and the hits from thanos tchalla takes are only a slam which spiderman takes as well and being hit by his blade both wouldn't amout to much since t'challas suit is special designed to take big impacts reducing the blow and absorbing the kinetic energy
Bro what Black Panther literally no sold Thanos' punch in IW. and the absorbing the kinetic energy should just instantly make his durability higher
 
Oh boy.


First off, we've already discussed this so many times why this statement is very weird and inconsistent, considering the fact that it does not even specify the version of either Thor or Hulk. And that's only because Namor wasn't dehydrated to a huge extent like Shuri has done to him.
I mean probably the most recent version of the characters because they are the most relevant atm

If that's the case, then why did Shuri feel the need to dehydrate him with a heating device? Otherwise Namor would've stomped her to the ground pretty badly. And also, where are you even getting High 6-B from?
Its clear that the dehydration did jack shit. he was still able to break the wakandan aircraft which i already explainded, is like Thanos lvl+. And if he really was weakened like that, he wouldve gone into the water but he didnt. meaning he wasnt weakened like that. And for the high 6b stuff. Cap's shield is 6b and BP's claws > Cap's shield
 
Also absolutely not T'challa isn't 6-B none of the Black Panther scale to that with any of their regular physicals maybe his claws at most but otherwise no and the hits from thanos tchalla takes are only a slam which spiderman takes as well and being hit by his blade both wouldn't amout to much since t'challas suit is special designed to take big impacts reducing the blow and absorbing the kinetic energy
also yes T'Challa destroyed Wakandan aircrafts before he said "Im not dead". thats 6b
 
He was knocked out from one hit.
according to the script and audio description he got knocked down. knocking out and knocking down are 2 very different things. also bp no sold a hit from thanos in endgame while thanos was bloodlusted. so how can he no sell a blood lusted hit from thanos but get knocked out by a holding back thanos?
 
according to the script and audio description he got knocked down.
He was put out of commission for Thanos to slowly walk up to Vision and take the Mind Stone. Like Cap he was floored in one punch.

also bp no sold a hit from thanos in endgame while thanos was bloodlusted
This also knocked him out. He just got back up afterwards.

It's a PG Superhero movie here, not The Boys. They can't murder Black Panther, Spider-Man or Cap sp they get knocked out instead. None of them scale to Thanos for that reason.


so how can he no sell a blood lusted hit from thanos
He did neither.
 
He was put out of commission for Thanos to slowly walk up to Vision and take the Mind Stone. Like Cap he was floored in one punch.
he wasnt, if the ******* script said he wasnt then he wasnt lmao

This also knocked him out. He just got back up afterwards.

It's a PG Superhero movie here, not The Boys. They can't murder Black Panther, Spider-Man or Cap sp they get knocked out instead. None of them scale to Thanos for that reason.



He did neither.
are you deadass? he literally got right back up lmaoooo
 
Thanos wasn’t even seriously fighting him. He was more or less swatting guys like Black Panther away with casual attacks
in endgame iron man got literally knocked out by Thor when he threw Mjolnir. Thanos is significantly stronger then Thor at this time and hits BP with his Uru blade and BP no sold it lmao
 
in endgame iron man got literally knocked out by Thor when he threw Mjolnir. Thanos is significantly stronger then Thor at this time and hits BP with his Uru blade and BP no sold it lmao
Because of the suit ABSORBING KINETIC ENERGY AND LESSENING THE BLOW and no he did not no sale the attack it literally sent him flying
 
Yeah, just a reminder. This revision would imply our Tier 8s (Spider-Man, Captain America, etc.) would be 6-B
Spidey is around that level tho. he could easily stop a hit from Cull Obsidian with killing intent. For reference Cull was ******* Hulkbuster 2.0 up
 
Because of the suit ABSORBING KINETIC ENERGY AND LESSENING THE BLOW and no he did not no sale the attack it literally sent him flying
it knocked him off his feet but stood right back up after that. Yeah so BP has better durability idk why its an issue
 
he wasnt, if the ******* script said he wasnt then he wasnt lmao
Thanos hit him once, rolled through multiple other people, slowly walked to Vision, restored Vision, got the Mind Stone and then Thor came.

During all of that, the only time we saw BP come back up was after Thor had hit Thanos with stormbreaker. If he wasn't knocked out, he was put down so hard he couldn't do anything for multiple minutes.
he literally got right back up lmaoooo
Yeah, I had confused the two scenes together. Getting hit by the spinning helicopter blade is not the same as getting hit by Thanos going full force with the blade though.

Either way I'm not for a BP upgrade. The Vibranium is what's 6-B, not BP himself.
 
Spidey is around that level tho. he could easily stop a hit from Cull Obsidian with killing intent. For reference Cull was ******* Hulkbuster 2.0 up
it knocked him off his feet but stood right back up after that. Yeah so BP has better durability idk why its an issue
I'd like to point you in this direction for obvious reasons, please read and understand
 
Thanos hit him once, rolled through multiple other people, slowly walked to Vision, restored Vision, got the Mind Stone and then Thor came.

During all of that, the only time we saw BP come back up was after Thor had hit Thanos with stormbreaker. If he wasn't knocked out, he was put down so hard he couldn't do anything for multiple minutes.
There something called "plot induced stupidity"

Yeah, I had confused the two scenes together. Getting hit by the spinning helicopter blade is not the same as getting hit by Thanos going full force with the blade though.

Either way I'm not for a BP upgrade. The Vibranium is what's 6-B, not BP himself.
Its still a high 6b move tho. and BP's suit is made out of vibranium so..? and it should be 6b to high 6b
 
I'd like to point you in this direction for obvious reasons, please read and understand
it aint a outlier tho cause multiple feats have shown this
 
PIS is BP living after the attack. Not being knocked out from it.
wym?

The gap is far to large for them to upscale to High 6-B.
it literally says here that he's higher then 6-B with his sword. High 6-B it is then, could arguably even be higher but thats a stretch
 
it literally says here that he's higher then 6-B with his sword. High 6-B it is then
You are completely wrong

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