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The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

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Guess I will apply Agnaa's wording and make the change in a bit then.
 
It's on me again, huh?

In that case, let's talk very briefly about how the revision goes:
Characters currently Type 1 remain Type 1.
Characters currently Type 2 remain Type 2.
Characters currently Type 3 become Type 2.
Characters currently Type 4 become Type 3.

I think that's what we would do as far as mass editing goes. When it comes to fixing any other errors concerning Transduality I would say separate CRTs should be made.
Does that sound right?
 
DontTalkDT said:
When it comes to fixing any other errors concerning Transduality I would say separate CRTs should be made.
Does that sound right?
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Yes, I think some characters are unqualified for TD, both then and now. Whatever is about the duality in question or about transcending the duality in question
 
I feel same. Some characters have also not shown any qualitative superiority or immunity to any duality at all.

In fact they get affected by it every Tuesday. So, I think all that needs to be checked as well. Being outside something doesn't always mean you're transcendent afterall.

We'll likely need to review everything about Transduality
 
Uhh... If I'm getting the new standards correctly, Duality should be, for example, A and Not A, not A and B. So Creation and Not Creation, not Creation and Destruction.

Is that correct?
 
DontTalkDT said:
I think that's what we would do as far as mass editing goes. When it comes to fixing any other errors concerning Transduality I would say separate CRTs should be made.
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Will these changes be handled by bots?
 
Nope, probably gonna need to recruit some staff to do it.
Luckily we only have like 164 users.
 
You sure you want to do it alone? It's still quite a bit of work.
If you're certain you're able to handle it feel free to do so, though.
 
Looks like it. Good work and thank you a lot.

I will leave this thread open for a little while longer in case of some last-minute issues, but we should finally be done here now.
Didn't take long or anything.
 
Thanks and also problem.
Nah, just 30 minutes and I think it was too much
 
I have a question. is Life & death a duality? because living and not living (A.K.A Death).because we can make Life as an Object while Death is Something that is not alive
 
That is greatly interpretation dependent. Is a stone dead or just not alive?
Is a zombie alive? Dead? Something in between, like undead?
I think in fiction when one talks about someone neither alive nor dead it's usually either undead or metaphors. So, without context, I wouldn't assume nonduality for statements of being neither.
If the fiction portrays it as logical paradox or something it might qualify, though.
 
DontTalkDT said:
That is greatly interpretation dependent. Is a stone dead or just not alive?
Is a zombie alive? Dead? Something in between, like undead?
I think in fiction when one talks about someone neither alive nor dead it's usually either undead or metaphors. So, without context, I wouldn't assume nonduality for statements of being neither.
If the fiction portrays it as logical paradox or something it might qualify, though.
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Hey DT, TD is tied by dimensionality? Example Tier 2 Character with TD 2 or 3 can be interacted by any tier 1 character?
 
I know that, but it doesn't answer my question.
Dereck03 said:
Example Tier 2 Character with TD 2 or 3 can be interacted by any tier 1 character?
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because right now any character with TD at tier 2 can be affected by any Tier 1 character. Unless the standards make it clear that this is not the case or if it is the case.
 
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I know that, but it doesn't answer my question.

because right now any character with TD at tier 2 can be affected by any Tier 1 character. Unless the standards make it clear that this is not the case or if it is the case.
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I think your question is, can a character with transduality be affected by a higher D character to them?
 
Well, if something isn't part of the transcended duality they would potentially be affected. Whether that's the case depends on feats. So for baseline transduality, that requires only transcendence on the one level of reality, attacks of a higher level of reality are not per default included.
 
Thanks a massive amount to DontTalkDT, Dereck03, and everybody else who have helped out with this revision thread and the ones preceding it. You are all awesome.

So are we finally finished with this revision (after around 1.5 years I think), or is there anything more to do here?
 
Antvasima said:
Thanks a massive amount to DontTalkDT, Dereck03, and everybody else who have helped out with this revision thread and the ones preceding it. You are all awesome.

So are we finally finished with this revision (after around 1.5 years I think), or is there anything more to do here?
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I don't think so. This can be closed
 
Okay. Thank you for the reply. I will wait for confirmations from staff and knowledgeable members first though.
 
Antvasima said:
Thanks a massive amount to DontTalkDT, Dereck03, and everybody else who have helped out with this revision thread and the ones preceding it. You are all awesome.

So are we finally finished with this revision (after around 1.5 years I think), or is there anything more to do here?
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One more thing, we need examples of character that actually fit with the current system at least 2 for the page.
We just finished the thread on aca5 and there is a thread that is should be deleted cause there no one can seem to find a character that fit the requirement
 
Last I heard, a few BlazBlue characters qualify for Type 1, but I was just told that they'll be getting that replaced with a different ability soon.

Ultima said that he was planning on adding Type 1 to 7 characters in the future, but I don't know who they'd be.
 
God Unsong qualifies for type 3, i can try and find the quotes from the book, also when the shinza pages come back all the gods will also qualify for type 3, I am still working on the pages so may take a few more months. As I believe transcending this is enough for Type 3
Black and White, Blue and Red, Light and Darkness, Obverse and Reverse. Every single conceiveable, Dualistic, conflicting, rivalring phenomena, concepts, that exist within this world, all without exception existed here. Flowing, in continous change, a Great Mandala in the shape of a designed pattern, changing in a kaleidoscope like form while continuing to revolve. Infinite colours overflowed, and nevertheless, there was not a single independent thing here. They all have an enemy (furigana: couple), that always certain, under the auspices of the absolute Law. Quite like a microcosm of their universe. An embodiment of the world of Dualism, woven in textile of trascendent scope
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So we have examples for type 3, there are tons of type 2 so I don't think there is a problem with that one
 
Since the transduality stuff is complete. will the transduality page be updated with examples of characters that qualify for each type? It will help users understand how to qualify for each type since Transduality is a very hard ability to comprehend. Type 3 is especially confusing to a lot of users at the moment.

Edit: Preferably examples of characters that have their transduality explained with a good justification....
 
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Since the transduality stuff is complete. will the transduality page be updated with examples of characters that qualify for each type? It will help users understand how to qualify for each type since Transduality is a very hard ability to comprehend. Type 3 is especially confusing to a lot of users at the moment.

Edit: Preferably examples of characters that have their transduality explained with a good justification....
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@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @Agnaa @KingPin0422 @Pain_to12 @Qawsedf234
 
God (Unsong)'s first key is type 2, with a type 3 second key, but there isn't a great explanation on the page as to why.

Also, when looking for that, I noticed that @Dereck03 only updated the type in the page's second key, but not the first. I'd like to ask if he suspects that could've happened to any other pages, and if so, if all Transduality pages need a second pass to check for that sorta thing.
 
Then also the current pages that hold Transduality needs to be reviewed based on the new standards.

For the God (Unsong) the justification will be a bit long in the example so as people can understand this, in case anyone wants to update it, here is a frame work

So for any statement about duality in the verse(Unsong), let me use a very popular example of one "Good and evil"
So lets say "Good" is "A", when A is false then that means "Evil"

  • A cannot be said to be true (He cannot be said to be good)
  • A cannot be said to be false (He cannot be said to be evil)
  • A cannot be said to be simultaneously true and false (He cannot be said to be good and evil)
  • A cannot be said to be simultaneously neither true or false. ( He cannot be said to be not Good and not evil)

He exist in a state that duality do not apply to him, Apophatic theory also supports this, as he cannot be described in any language of man.
 
Pain_to12 said:
Then also the current pages that hold Transduality needs to be reviewed based on the new standards.

For the God (Unsong) the justification will be a bit long in the example so as people can understand this, in case anyone wants to update it, here is a frame work

So for any statement about duality in the verse(Unsong), let me use a very popular example of one "Good and evil"
So lets say "Good" is "A", when A is false then that means "Evil"

  • A cannot be said to be true (He cannot be said to be good)
  • A cannot be said to be false (He cannot be said to be evil)
  • A cannot be said to be simultaneously true and false (He cannot be said to be good and evil)
  • A cannot be said to be simultaneously neither true or false. ( He cannot be said to be not Good and not evil)

He exist in a state that duality do not apply to him, Apophatic theory also supports this, as he cannot be described in any language of man.
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is there 5 truth states there? Current standards on the transduality page says that to get Type 3 you need 5 truth states. I see only 4 there.
 
Agnaa said:
Also, when looking for that, I noticed that @Dereck03 only updated the type in the page's second key, but not the first. I'd like to ask if he suspects that could've happened to any other pages, and if so, if all Transduality pages need a second pass to check for that sorta thing.
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I re-checked all the pages and only missed that page.
 
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