Austin Theory vs Kirumi Tojo

[RandomGuy2345]

Saying it's going to one-shot Kirumi who massively upscales over someone who's even stronger than Theory still seems like a stretch tho

The thing is the weakest of the weak nearly beat a God Tier with their finisher.

Not only is the AP difference here insignificant if we ignore the fact Kirumi upscales, but even if we do consider the fact that Kirumi upscales, Theory's finishers (which he has 3 of), scale far higher above Theory's AP than Kirumi's upscale.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If Ellsworth almost put someone down who's stronger than Kirumi what do you think is gonna happen when Theory pulls it out.

Her Pain Tolerance will help her fight through one of them, but she'll be severely weakened, which gives Theory the perfect opportunity to finish the fight.

 

[DivineAura44]

Her Pain Tolerance will help her fight through one of them, but she'll be severely weakened, which gives Theory the perfect opportunity to finish the fight.

Pain Tolerance doesn't up durability or it wouldn't be on the page. It ups her will to persevere through damage.

 

[DivineAura44]

A-Town Down is his current finisher.

Here it is.

Theory's Unproven Cutter is quite literally just his ATL finisher.

No bro you got it wrong. Unproven Cutter is not ATL. And ATL is A-Town Down. You're a theory fan, be better

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Pain Tolerance doesn't up durability or it wouldn't be on the page. It ups her will to persevere through damage.

That was the entire point I was trying to convey.

Kirumi's Pain Tolerance will help her fight through the pain, but she's still severely weakened.

 

[DivineAura44]

That was the entire point I was trying to convey.

Kirumi's Pain Tolerance will help her fight through the pain, but she's still severely weakened.

Knockouts don't happen because of pain. She will get knocked out.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

No bro you got it wrong. Unproven Cutter is not ATL. And ATL is A-Town Down. You're a theory fan, be better

The commentary literally shouts out "A-Town Down!" when he hits the move.

His ATL is the Unproven Cutter (the finisher got a name change).

 

[DivineAura44]

The commentary literally shouts out "A-Town Down!" when he hits the move.

His ATL is the Unproven Cutter (the finisher got a name change).

Hold on this timeline is cursed.
TKO -> Unproven Cutter -> ATL
ATL -> A-Town Down

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Hold on this timeline is cursed.
TKO -> Unproven Cutter -> ATL
ATL -> A-Town Down

Ataxia is the only move that doesn't have this curse.

Which is a good thing because Ataxia is one of the best looking moves on the roster.

Just think of the ATL as the Unproven Cutter (we can even rename Theory's ATL to the Unproven Cutter on his profile if ya want).

And think of A-Town Down as...A-Town Down.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Can my vote for Theory be counted back in pls?

I highly doubt Kirumi outside of her SI has a chance of beating Theory.

She lacks the skill, LS, and experience to fight Theory, especially with the location they're fighting in, and her "range" advantage is hardly a factor. A wooden pole is nothing out of the ordinary for the WWE verse.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If Ellsworth almost put someone down who's stronger than Kirumi what do you think is gonna happen when Theory pulls it out?

Kirumi upscales from Gonta who easily subdued Tenko, The Ultimate Aikido Master, who can slam Shuichi so hard he blacks out

 

[DivineAura44]

Can my vote for Theory be counted back in pls?

I highly doubt Kirumi outside of her SI has a chance of beating Theory.

She lacks the skill, LS, and experience to fight Theory, especially with the location they're fighting in, and her "range" advantage is hardly a factor. A wooden pole is nothing out of the ordinary for the WWE verse.

Agreed. I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Theory unless Pikaman or someone else makes a convincing argument.

 

[DivineAura44]

Kirumi upscales from Gonta who easily subdued Tenko, The Ultimate Aikido Master, who can slam Shuichi so hard he blacks out

And Shuichi is 9-B for being able to harm a 10-B rated character. Got it.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And Shuichi is 9-B for being able to harm a 10-B rated character. Got it.

K1-B0 has 9-B durability

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Kirumi upscales from Gonta who easily subdued Tenko, The Ultimate Aikido Master, who can slam Shuichi so hard he blacks out

This is not convincing enough.

Kirumi can survive one finisher via her Pain Tolerance. She's not surviving through physical durability.

 

[DivineAura44]

K1-B0 has 9-B durability

Are you implying Shuichi should scale to that?

 

[DivineAura44]

This is not convincing enough.

Kirumi can survive one finisher via her Pain Tolerance. She's not surviving through physical durability.

She can survive the pain, not the damage. The damage will knock her out.

 

[Pikaman]

Are you implying Shuichi should scale to [K1-B0’s durability]?

And Shuichi is 9-B for being able to harm [K1-B0]

Bruh

 

[Pikaman]

That's wrong. If a wrestler faces a character far below them they will immediately go for their finisher.

And Kirumi is not “far below” Theory, your point?

I think you're underestimating Theory's intelligence. The second he sees her moving (whether to get up or not) he goes and puts her in another one.

Unless she uses Social Influencing

that with Theory's experience

What experience


Other than that I’m happy to concede at this point, most of your arguments are pretty solid and I really only extended this match-up because I felt it unfair on Kirumi to FRA train a match she had a very real chance of victory in. I’ll vote Theory FRA (yes I get the irony)

That makes it 9:0 for Theory which is a bit overkill but anyways defo grace again

 

[DivineAura44]

I'll stop bring up the rankings. I have no will nor reason to get them changed. I will say being able to heavily damage AJ Styles while scaling far below him just goes to show the damage Theory would produce.

 

[DivineAura44]

And Kirumi is not “far below” Theory, your point?



Unless she uses Social Influencing



What experience


Other than that I’m happy to concede at this point, most of your arguments are pretty solid and I really only extended this match-up because I felt it unfair on Kirumi to FRA train a match she had a very real chance of victory in. I’ll vote Theory FRA (yes I get the irony)

That makes it 9:0 for Theory which is a bit overkill but anyways defo grace again

Are you fine with me still giving a counter to your arguments despite the fact that you already voted or should I just let it be?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'll stop bring up the rankings. I have no will nor reason to get them changed. I will say being able to heavily damage AJ Styles while scaling far below him just goes to show the damage Theory would produce.

I will also emphasize that Styles basically took 0 damage prior from getting hit with the finisher.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Didn't one of the God-Tiers no-sell a finisher? Is that dude 10 megajoules??

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Are you fine with me still giving a counter to your arguments despite the fact that you already voted or should I just let it be?

It's probably best to let it be.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Didn't one of the God-Tiers no-sell a finisher? Is that dude 10 megajoules??

No-selling finishers are more so Pain Tolerance than durability.

 

[DivineAura44]

Kirumi upscales from Gonta who easily subdued Tenko, The Ultimate Aikido Master, who can slam Shuichi so hard he blacks out

Kirumi greatly upscales from one shotting a character who's baseline 9-B. Theory is massively stronger than a character who could heavily damage a person who's stronger than Kirumi's current highest feat. That seems one shot level.

 

[Pikaman]

Hell no, he has... 10x the debating skills. Wake yo ass back up.

This aged poorly

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Kirumi greatly upscales from one shotting a character who's baseline 9-B

Shuichi is not baseline (I think).

 

[Pikaman]

Are you fine with me still giving a counter to your arguments despite the fact that you already voted or should I just let it be?

I have no issue wait here you making an argument but being real I doubt I’ll give a response (at least on this thread)

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Kirumi greatly upscales from one shotting a character who's baseline 9-B.

Shuichi is 3,4 megajoules....

 

[DivineAura44]

This aged poorly

You were fighting a greatly uphill battle. That shit continues to age like fine wine.

 

[Pikaman]

a character who's baseline 9-B

You’ve gotta stop talking out of your ass for these V3 ratings /lh

 

[DivineAura44]

Shuichi is 3,4 megajoules....

HOW??? K1-B0 isn't even calced for his 9-B feat wtf?

 

[Pikaman]

You were fighting a greatly uphill battle. That shit continues to age like fine wine.

Thanks man but you did kinda hand my ass to me tbh...

Votes could’ve been at 0 and Theory would’ve still won that one

 

[Pikaman]

HOW??? K1-B0 don't even isn't even calced for his 9-B feat wtf?

I’m pretty sure a calc is somewhere, just not on his profile for whatever reason

 

[DivineAura44]

I’m pretty sure a calc is somewhere, just not on his profile for whatever reason

Ok but to be fair that's not my fault. Tell someone to fix these pages.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Anyways, lets all give ourselves a pat on the back for making this not only the first W the WWE verse has taken since the LS downgrades, but the first legit banger the WWE verse has had since the WWE LS downgrades!

 

[DivineAura44]

You’ve gotta stop talking out of your ass for these V3 ratings /lh

Really do apparently. I was just assumed K1-B0 was gonna be 10-B because that's his whole shtick

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Also, Theory gets his well-deserved W!

 

[DivineAura44]

He doesn't deserve *****. Add Dean Ambrose (WWE) to WWE and watch him get his ass handed to him.