Austin Theory (WWE) vs Vin Jin (Lookism)

[RandomGuy2345]

Thought this would be fun ig.

Austin Theory (WWE) vs Vin Jin (Lookism)

Post-Timeskip Jin will be used.

Speed will be equalized.

Fight takes place in a wrestling ring (no weapons).

Theory:

Jin: 7 (azontr, Core, Yolo, Divine, Random, Cima, Jiang)

Inconclusive:

 

[Cimafranca133]

Send Autin's skill essay rn

 

[Cimafranca133]

What kind of moves does Austin use?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I'll do that and go right to sleep, as it's late asf rn lol.

Tbf, there are some things I'd like to add on to his skill essay, though.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well, for starters, Austin Theory was a bodybuilding champion at the age of 17. Here's an image of him in that bodybuilding competition. Keep in mind he was only 17 at the time. Now that he’s a full time professional wrestler at the age of 25, there’s no doubt in my mind that Theory is in full peak condition, making him physically superior to a lot of the wrestlers in the roster, as well as one of the most athletically gifted.

Theory was stated by commentary to have been blessed with all of the tools an athlete can hope for, and is a true prodigy in the world of professional wrestling. This already shows the massive amounts of potential/skill Theory has.

To start things off with a bang, there’s this new wrestler called Axiom. In this promo, he’s billed as someone who can quickly analyze and react to anything thanks to his gift for mathematics, which he uses to defeat wrestlers in the ring. Yes, this guy uses mathematical formulas while in the middle of a match to defeat his opponents. Keep in mind, this guy struggles with NXT wrestlers, while Austin Theory has fought on par with and defeated some of the best wrestlers in the business, so Theory is likely far superior to the likes of Axiom, which is already extremely impressive in itself.

Theory on his debut NXT match was able to fight on par with Roderick Strong. Strong has over 20 years of experience as a wrestler, and was nicknamed The Master of the Backbreaker, due to his ability to constantly target the opponent's back in wrestling matchups.

Theory was also able to hold his own against the likes of Aleister Black, who was trained in Pencak Silat and Kickboxing from the ages 9 to 15.

Austin Theory defeated Ricochet in only a couple of minutes. Ricochet is notorious for using his absurd levels of acrobatics and quick reflexes to blitz, overwhelm, and defeat his opponents.

Austin Theory has also fought on par with the likes of Dexter Lumis, who has shown to have a "Sixth Sense" that allows him to fight while blindfolded.

Theory was able to give Bobby Lashley a good run for his money. Bobby Lashley has a very good mixed martial arts background, having a record of 15-2, defeating the likes of Joshua Franklin in 41 seconds (TKO), and Mike Cook in 24 seconds (Submission). He even defeated James Thompson, who at that point, had over a decade of experience in mixed martial arts. Lashley defeated him in 54 seconds via TKO.

Theory was also able to give AJ Styles a good run for his money. AJ Styles is the same guy who was able to beat John Cena clean. Cena is the same guy who looked like was about to beat Brock Lesnar before getting interrupted. Brock Lesnar was an Amateur Wrestler, and a Mixed Martial Artist career, which he uses, along with his Amateur Wrestling background to decimate his opponents. Lesnar had a record of 106-5 in his 4 years of college wrestling at the NCAA, as well as winning the NCAA Division I Heavyweight Championship. Lesnar also ended the iconic 21-year Wrestlemania win streak of The Undertaker.

After a hard-hitting, physical match, Theory was able to defeat Dolph Ziggler clean. Ziggler has a great amateur wrestling background. Ziggler set the record for most pins in St. Edward High School with 82 pins. When he was a wrestler at Kent State University, he at one point, held the record for most career wins in the team's history, earning 121 wins (the record was soon broken, but this still says a lot for how skilled Theory is).

Theory was able to trade blows with the likes of Drew McIntyre. McIntyre is the same guy who had wars with the likes of Sheamus. In fact, while participating in a grueling ‘Good Old Fashioned Donnybrook’ match, McIntyre was even capable of kicking out of The Brogue Kick. The Brogue Kick is one of the most dangerous moves in all of Pro Wrestling. A referee suffered chronic neck pain when hit with the move. The Brogue Kick was stated to cause extreme nerve damage and tingling in the extremities of the victim. A move this dangerous was something that Drew McIntyre kicked out of, and Theory traded blows with McIntyre.

Theory was able to defeat Finn Balor for the United States Championship, becoming the youngest US Champion in WWE history. Now here's where I go talking about Finn Balor's skill.

Theory also has Accelerated Development. He Went from having severe skill disadvantages against Johnny Gargano to the point where he was called "predictable" to slowly finding ways to adapt throughout the fight, even finding ways to quickly counter moves that originally caught him off guard. The commentary team states that Theory was "learning on the go" throughout the match. Johnny Gargano's fighting style revolves around combining British Chain Wrestling, Lucha Libre, and Puroresu into a fighting style he likes to call "Lucharesu".

Finn Balor defeated Pete Dunne, who's fighting style revolves around brawling, stiff strikes, submission grappling, and bending of his opponents fingers (Small Joint Manipulation), which will leave someone extremely handicapped in a fight, especially since wrestling is all about striking, grappling and holding, and you can't do that without functioning fingers. Pete Dunne was also the same guy who was able to solo the entire Undisputed Era by himself, and the group has been regarded as one of the most dominant factions in WWE history. The group ended up winning all of the gold in NXT at one point.

Balor was also able to give Roman Reigns a good run for his money. Roman Reigns became the 2nd man to defeat The Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

The Undertaker is considered the greatest pure striker in Sports Entertainment history. Even the likes of Kurt Angle was scared to take a punch from him.

If ya don't know Kurt Angle, he's notorious for winning a gold medal with a broken neck, who is this skilled, and was named the greatest shoot wrestler ever.

What kind of moves does Austin use?

Here's his entire moveset.

Nap time now.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Attack Potency:

• Theory: 2.84 megajoules, higher with Ataxia and ATL
• Vin Jin: >3.68 megajoules

1.295x advantage in Vin Jin's Favor

Speed: Equalized

Lifting Strength:

• Theory: 232.693kg
• Vin Jin: Superhuman

I'm not sure what Superhuman LS scales to...

 

[Second22]

Lifting Strength:

• Theory: 232.693kg
• Vin Jin: Superhuman

I'm not sure what Superhuman LS scales to...

Vin Jin should have as much Lifting as Vasco, who can bend steel and lifted a big fat man using only one leg

Calc has done, but it's not Accept yet, so now can just feat that Vasco lift Lee Tae Sung with one leg first.

Lee Tae Sung's weight is about 90 kg from Metric Measurement.

Ahh, Yes, the fighting style they both use LS very importantly. If Vin only has 90 kg LS he will easily lose. But the effect will change when the iron bending Calc is Accept.

 

[Cimafranca133]

About Theory's Accelerated Development, how good and fast is it?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Theory: 2.84 megajoules, higher with Ataxia and ATL

He actually has 3 finishers (A-Town Down is the last one).

Ahh, Yes, the fighting style they both use LS very importantly. If Vin only has 90 kg LS he will easily lose. But the effect will change when the iron bending Calc is Accept.

Theory has fought and defeated people with higher LS than him.

Even then, he can still lift Vin's body weight with no issue.

About Theory's Accelerated Development, how good and fast is it?

I'll respond to that soon.

 

[DivineAura44]

Vin Jin wins because he has a larger dick. He coccslaps.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Vin Jin wins because he has a larger dick. He coccslaps.

Proof?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Theory also has Accelerated Development. He Went from having severe skill disadvantages against Johnny Gargano to the point where he was called "predictable" to slowly finding ways to adapt throughout the fight, even finding ways to quickly counter moves that originally caught him off guard. The commentary team states that Theory was "learning on the go" throughout the match. Johnny Gargano's fighting style revolves around combining British Chain Wrestling, Lucha Libre, and Puroresu into a fighting style he likes to call "Lucharesu".

To summarize, Theory can go from having severe skill disadvantages to matching his opponent in only a few minutes.

 

[DivineAura44]

Nah hold on wtf why does Theory have being kidnapped as a weakness. Ultimate slander ngl.
Anyways Vin Jin and Theory both have their one shoting moves imo, Theory with literally any finisher and Vin Jin's iconic Kani Basami. Vin Jin has shown experience against wrestlers (Hope or maybe Ivan Park, I forget these mfers names sometimes) but that was a classic wrestler and he probably isn't even near Theory in skill, I'll need time for me to draw a conclusion.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Nah hold on wtf why does Theory have being kidnapped as a weakness. Ultimate slander ngl.

Blame DD for that bs of a weakness.

That shouldn't even be there on his profile.

Plus, I'm still waiting for input on how skilled Vin is.

 

[DivineAura44]

Blame DD for that bs of a weakness.

That shouldn't even be there on his profile.

Plus, I'm still waiting for input on how skilled Vin is.

It's hard to scale him but I'll try. I need to read up on the Workers 2nd Affliates chapters again.

 

[yoloninja3000]

A question i have, is there something with glass nearby the ring. Because vin likes to throw glass on to the ground as a environmental hazard.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

A question i have, is there something with glass nearby the ring. Because vin likes to throw glass on to the ground as a environmental hazard.

Not that I know of.

 

[azontr]

Personally kinda leaning towards Theory(weird for me, I know).

He's got roughly equal skill, more options for one-shot via his several finishers, and accelerated development that while not really broken is a valuable asset in this situation. My knowledge on both characters is very barebones, so, correct me on any misinformation I may spread, but, I do believe Theory has more advantages here.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Personally kinda leaning towards Theory(weird for me, I know).

Me showing you that clip of Theory channeling his blader spirit is slowing getting you to appreciate him I see.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Anyways, is that a vote for Theory, az?

 

[azontr]

It's not a vote, the debate is a bit to early for me to concretely vote.

I'm just sharing my opinion that I believe Austin has more general advantages here. My opinion can be swayed with time.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Noted.

 

[DivineAura44]

A small skill scale without getting deep levels into it is VJ > Sato Kazuma >> Akira >>> Every professional JFC boxer (Alternate universe UFC).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

A small skill scale without getting deep levels into it is VJ > Sato Kazuma >> Akira >>> Every professional JFC boxer (Alternate universe UFC).

So how skilled is everyone prior to VJ?

 

[azontr]

Less skilled than me.

 

[DivineAura44]

So how skilled is everyone prior to VJ?

Do you want skill feats for each? I'd need my phone and it's dead rn

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Do you want skill feats for each? I'd need my phone and it's dead rn

I probably don't need all of them, but I would like to have the skill feats for at least one character explained.

 

[yoloninja3000]

Do you want skill feats for each? I'd need my phone and it's dead rn

Vin would probably scale above mc pesticides whos a national Korean wretsling competition champion right? Because vin was the king of cheonliang and he would have had to beat pesticide to be the strongest?

It could maybe scale vin above pesticide who did this

 

[ElajRuengies]

Vin would probably scale above mc pesticides whos a national Korean wretsling competition champion right? Because vin was the king of cheonliang and he would have had to beat pesticide to be the strongest?

It could maybe scale vin above pesticide who did this

Motorbikes weigh 180 - 230 kg, plus to the two people on top and that's 300 kg+ easily.

Also Vin Jin scales to around MC Pesticides if it's 2nd Key Vin being used

 

[ElajRuengies]

A small skill scale without getting deep levels into it is VJ > Sato Kazuma >> Akira >>> Every professional JFC boxer (Alternate universe UFC).

That's 3rd Key Vin Jin though, it said Post-Timeskip Vin is being used

 

[DivineAura44]

That's 3rd Key Vin Jin though, it said Post-Timeskip Vin is being used

Me rn at this very moment:

 

[RandomGuy2345]

After a hard-hitting, physical match, Theory was able to defeat Dolph Ziggler clean. Ziggler has a great amateur wrestling background. Ziggler set the record for most pins in St. Edward High School with 82 pins. When he was a wrestler at Kent State University, he at one point, held the record for most career wins in the team's history, earning 121 wins (the record was soon broken, but this still says a lot for how skilled Theory is).

I'm going to elaborate on this.

A rookie Dolph Ziggler was able to fight on par with John Morrison, albeit losing in the end. Morrison was described by WWE as having "lightning-fast offense", "high-risk aerial expertise", and "incredible agility". He is known to utilize a split-legged corkscrew moonsault, dubbed Starship Pain, as a finishing maneuver. During his singles run as Johnny Nitro, he used a standing shooting star press as his finisher. Morrison soon began using a corkscrew neckbreaker dubbed Moonlight Drive, in reference to the song of the same name written by Jim Morrison. He also prominently used a superkick as a finisher in 2008 during a feud with D-Generation X, as a way to mock Shawn Michaels's Sweet Chin Music maneuver. Morrison is a practitioner of parkour and often incorporates it into his wrestling style, giving him the nickname "The Prince of Parkour". He also has a background in amateur wrestling, breakdancing, gymnastics, and martial arts. Regarding his unique wrestling style, Morrison stated in a 2021 interview with Sports Illustrated (despite this being an interview, whatever Morrison says here should be taken 100% legitimately, as he applies all of these forms of martial arts in his fights).

"My movement background is different from everyone on the roster. I was an amateur collegiate wrestler at UC Davis. I also did gymnastics at UC Davis. I've studied kung fu, boxing, capoeira, stunt fighting, parkour—I am a master at all those disciplines. Applying those movement patterns is what I do in the ring."

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

That's 3rd Key Vin Jin though, it said Post-Timeskip Vin is being used

Usually I'd agree.

But Vin Jin got to his third key through sheer training and hasn't really practiced his skill at all. So you can actually scale his expertise with Judo and Kudo to that which would be equivalent to Hostel Executive Level / Crew Head level and the 3rd Affiliate Executive Level has people who are trained by the best masters of martial arts. So Vin Jin was kinda similar to Johan where he had to work his stats back up again in order to reach his current level.

One thing to note, Vin Jin himself will spam his LS advantage no matter what and even if you somehow slip out of his grip, he will repeatedly move to different positions to keep you restricted.

My bigger concern is if Vin Jin decides to just break his limbs immediately like what he did with Vasco.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Usually I'd agree.

But Vin Jin got to his third key through sheer training and hasn't really practiced his skill at all. So you can actually scale his expertise with Judo and Kudo to that which would be equivalent to Hostel Executive Level / Crew Head level and the 3rd Affiliate Executive Level has people who are trained by the best masters of martial arts. So Vin Jin was kinda similar to Johan where he had to work his stats back up again in order to reach his current level.

One thing to note, Vin Jin himself will spam his LS advantage no matter what and even if you somehow slip out of his grip, he will repeatedly move to different positions to keep you restricted.

My bigger concern is if Vin Jin decides to just break his limbs immediately like what he did with Vasco.

Oh yeah- I guess that's fair. It's sorta a Yu situation where he doesn't get any more skilled, just stronger.

If he's merciful he'll just break his limbs. Vin Jin literally picked up Sato Kazuma by his collarbone and balls

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Oh yeah- I guess that's fair. It's sorta a Yu situation where he doesn't get any more skilled, just stronger.

If he's merciful he'll just break his limbs. Vin Jin literally picked up Sato Kazuma by his collarbone and balls

I forgot about the nutgrabber oh god yeah he's gonna use that for sure if he's ever overwhelmed.

Other than that, he did whoop Ivan Park who's a very great street fighter and wrestler. But a far cry from professional wrestlers.

The big issue here is if this starts in the dark or not because that will penalize Vin Jin a lot.

 

[azontr]

I forgot about the nutgrabber oh god yeah he's gonna use that for sure if he's ever overwhelmed.

You know he putting FORCE into that when you see the veins

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

You know he putting FORCE into that when you see the veins

Not as bad as Eli performing a free "No more kids" treatment tho

 

[azontr]

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I was gone for like 30 mins because I had to put up groceries, and I come back to y'all talking about how Vin would punch the shit of Theory's license and registrations.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Anyways, going off of what I'm seeing, Vin abuses his LS far more than Theory does (he's primarily a brawler who specializes in stiff strikes and grapples, as well as natural athleticism/agility).