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if saitama transcends the concept of time and space
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Standard ideas of time and space are more than infinite infinities below 1-A.
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that what i say
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Without additional context, "transcending time and space" can mean a lot of things.
Goku's power is on a scale beyond time and space, but he isn't unbound by the concepts entirely, as one of many examples.
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Transcending the concept of time and space still isn't 1-A afaik
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no, that's simply not how it works.
many people assume that space-time is 4D, but space-time is part of dimensions, since it is what allows size to exist (dimensions are size).
A 5D dimension will still be able to have space-time and an 11D dimension will still be able to have space-time.
Practically space and time is not something limited by dimension, because dimension is a measure of size, not literally something like an area (space) or something that happens (time).
trascending the concept of space-time is greater than trascending the concept of dimensions
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so he has to transcend the concept of dimensions too?
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not necesarily
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Not really. There are several other ways to reach 1-A
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to exist beyond the concept of something like space-time would qualify as outerversal (even if the necessary context is literally a 10-page text) because there's not much to think about, it's not that difficult.
because the concept of space-time/dimension means that all the things linked to it can exist, whether there are like 4 dimensions or infinite dimensions, all of that will still be part of the concept of dimension as a whole.
even human perception/imagination is not limited in dimensions,humans cannot see 4D,not because we don't understand it,we just don't see it because it is not seen,it is felt,time is something that is felt and cannot be seen,you can feel time passing,seconds,but you will not see time passing directly(ie,yes,but not as it sounds)and there are more theorized dimensions(at least 11)that cannot be seen because you need advanced machinery for that.
human comprehension is not limited by dimensions,it is vision,and vision and comprehension is different,a person who does not see the color of something does not understand it,but he can get an idea of what it is,so practically can comprehend something that he can't see.
because the concept of space-time/dimension means that all the things linked to it can exist, whether there are like 4 dimensions or infinite dimensions, all of that will still be part of the concept of dimension as a whole.
even human perception/imagination is not limited in dimensions,humans cannot see 4D,not because we don't understand it,we just don't see it because it is not seen,it is felt,time is something that is felt and cannot be seen,you can feel time passing,seconds,but you will not see time passing directly(ie,yes,but not as it sounds)and there are more theorized dimensions(at least 11)that cannot be seen because you need advanced machinery for that.
human comprehension is not limited by dimensions,it is vision,and vision and comprehension is different,a person who does not see the color of something does not understand it,but he can get an idea of what it is,so practically can comprehend something that he can't see.
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transcending numbers or mathematics would also count, because there are mathematical equations that allow us to know the coordinates of the dimensions (and forms).
and even though transcending something is only transcendence, it is still outerversal because no being that is not outerversal would be able to reach that character.
because they are in a bubble (the concept) and the other is outside (beyond the concept)and is hard to reach outside of the bubble
and even though transcending something is only transcendence, it is still outerversal because no being that is not outerversal would be able to reach that character.
because they are in a bubble (the concept) and the other is outside (beyond the concept)and is hard to reach outside of the bubble
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does the vsbw tiering system say that being beyond the concept of time and space scales you to 1A?
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mmm,i think i broke him,i think,possibly
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no, but it's just a way for you to understand how it works.
but it's still applicable,because is logic knowledge that the concept of space-time is larger than dimension
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Oohhhhh ok, does platonism also scale you to 1A??
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No. Platonic Concepts being 1-A was debunked and thrown out the window a while back
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The reason was?
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No more 1-A Mario shame
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i feel like that thread was very rushed and no one really debunked anything
A possible downgrade of 1-A Platonic concepts (Staff only)
I was just looking after a forum discussion about plutonic concepts transcending reality and all possible existing concepts, but frankly, that sounds kinda like an illogical impossibility. For something to be beyond reality, it would have to be both beyond all created concepts within a verse, so...
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The thread wasn't rushed, it was postponed because of the forum movei feel like that thread was very rushed and no one really debunked anything
A possible downgrade of 1-A Platonic concepts (Staff only)
I was just looking after a forum discussion about plutonic concepts transcending reality and all possible existing concepts, but frankly, that sounds kinda like an illogical impossibility. For something to be beyond reality, it would have to be both beyond all created concepts within a verse, so...vsbattles.com
I forgot, I'm not the most knowledgeable on tier 1, all I know is that platonic concepts isn't enough for 1-A anymore
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that depends on the verse and what it means by concept of dimensions. If the cosmology is only 4D and somebody reliable says "He transcended concept of dimensions! He is now R>F Layer!" Then that's probably 5D. Just because somebody flings out "transcend concept of dimensions" does not make things outer. If it gave different details to make it higher, to say, something that fits what outer would be, then it can be.
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Infinity is vague. At best that's probably just At least High 3-A or Low 2-C
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you can give this one a read.
(I've made a thread about this particular comicvine thread in vsbw, and the analysis was fine according to another member who seems knowledgeable about plato, so dont worry about it being your average "bad comicvine thread")
It debunks the notion of platonical concepts being outer, or scalable. (Had also another vsbw member who knows about about plato forms, to read it, and it was accurate)
Here https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/platonic-forms-disrespect-thread-2242221/
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CosmicWreck
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Was king's luck an actual ability referenced in the manga?
Also, his feats read like Below human level to be honest.
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Well we know that the first point it the serious punch squared, and the end point for saitama was 16 times higher than it
the x axis would at the very least be from beginning of the fight to end of the fight (that's an extreme lowball since exponential growth means he would've gotten like at least hundreds of times stronger than that lol) so I think it'd be much more unreasonable to assume that he's not 9 times stronger and has no multiplier, when they quite literally give us the most in-your-face graph representation of their growth. But I guess the wiki mainly goes for low ends these days anyways
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Remember when we thought it would take years to see Saitama reach something past planet level? Fun times
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Below Average Human Level is really hard for an adult male to get to cause iirc 13 year old kids are 10-B. Speaking of which I just realised we use webcomic stuff for King.
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how scaley are the toes orochi has
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And it's not like we are saying that this is his tier. Just that it could possibly be it.
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If the verse doesn't even have infinite dimensions to begin with why would you assume that, that set character who transcends the concept of space time is even above infinite dimensions
"concept of space-time/dimension means that all the things linked to it can exist"
Ye if all things linked to it don't include infinite dimensions then the assumption of it being 1-A is thrown out seeing as you yourself believe that it's in reference to all things that are linked to it that can exist (in which ofc all things in the verse that's linked to it can exist not anything outside the set verse ) meaning if things linked to it such as 3 spatial dimensions and say 1 temporal dimension then ofc transcending that would include those 4 dimensions but not infinite dimensions seeing as they don't exist in the verse in the first place no?
I'm not sure how this is supposed to prove the concept of space and time transcendence is 1-A regardless of lack of context affirming that,that transcendence is on a level that warrants a 1-A rating
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Do we assume Saitama could harm Garou with the Jupiter sneeze by his reaction?
If yes, going by Arceus0x calc:
"so people wanted to know just how powerful would Saitama's punch would be if compared to serious sneeze. It is a fun game for thought so i'll try it out.
A sneeze is 4.5 m/s. A sneeze is basically you inhaling air and the sneezing it out with your mucus and so let's use that. People say that you inhale about 600ml of air in one breath or 0.0006m^3. The density is 1.225 kg/m^3 so 1.225*0.0006 is 0.000735kg. This gives us an estimate of approximately 0.00744188 joules. Experts can deliver punches that are 400 joules of energy. This gives us a difference of 53749.8589066x. Now for the serious sneeze. The serious sneeze is 1.45*10^42 joules
meaning that the punch would be 7.7937295e+46 joules or 4-B"
You could possibly argue Saitama grew 53749x stronger in the fight. Assuming he went from equal to "being able to seriously hurt with a sneeze" and that his sneeze would harm Garou as much as a K.O punch and that his sneeze is as proportionally powerful to his punches as a normal human's (meaning no superbreath/enhanced lungs stuff).
Not that it would be accepted or anything.
If yes, going by Arceus0x calc:
"so people wanted to know just how powerful would Saitama's punch would be if compared to serious sneeze. It is a fun game for thought so i'll try it out.
A sneeze is 4.5 m/s. A sneeze is basically you inhaling air and the sneezing it out with your mucus and so let's use that. People say that you inhale about 600ml of air in one breath or 0.0006m^3. The density is 1.225 kg/m^3 so 1.225*0.0006 is 0.000735kg. This gives us an estimate of approximately 0.00744188 joules. Experts can deliver punches that are 400 joules of energy. This gives us a difference of 53749.8589066x. Now for the serious sneeze. The serious sneeze is 1.45*10^42 joules
meaning that the punch would be 7.7937295e+46 joules or 4-B"
You could possibly argue Saitama grew 53749x stronger in the fight. Assuming he went from equal to "being able to seriously hurt with a sneeze" and that his sneeze would harm Garou as much as a K.O punch and that his sneeze is as proportionally powerful to his punches as a normal human's (meaning no superbreath/enhanced lungs stuff).
Not that it would be accepted or anything.
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And we have to calculate the actual speed of the sneeze, which would undoubtedly make it even more powerful than that calc.
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How long its been postponing the CRT ?
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We're waiting for the new redraw
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Say it with me, kids!
Jannies, jannies, do it for free?
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https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...2023294809161860/saitamagrowthscalethingy.png
just so you know. taking the graph absolutely seriously would make saitama 64 times more powerful and garou over 20 times more powerful near the end of their fight and galaxy level as a result.
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