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[ByAsura]

That is insanely wrong. It took years for Naruto to become LS, and (from what I've seen) didn't have anywhere near the contradictory properties.

Also, tf, it's not remotely about popularity. While Naruto may be more popular globally, I believe OPM (Saitama specifically) is more popular on the wiki.

We have guidelines on this.

 

[Muuuuh]

Years of discursion, it was never necessary to show reflection or refraction in madara's attack or prove that it was a real laser/light.

all that was used to sustain was a vague description in a databook

The calculation used was this about light fang, but what proof is that Light fang is LS?

Naruto: Naruto dodged Light Fang

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[ByAsura]

They don't have to. Those are guidelines, and only based on very specific criteria (i.e it has to interact with a reflective source in the first place).

The minimum is not massively contradicting properties of light and being consistently described as light or light-speed.

 

[Muuuuh]

They don't have to. Those are guidelines, and only based on very specific criteria (i.e it has to interact with a reflective source in the first place).

The minimum is not massively contradicting properties of light and being consistently described as light or light-speed.

Did this happen to Light Fang? I really don't remember

Because besides the name doesn't bear much resemblance to light

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

all that was used to sustain was a vague description in a databook

Haven’t scaled Boruto’s dad in eons. What exactly does the databook say?

 

[ByAsura]

Did this happen to Light Fang? I really don't remember

Because besides the name doesn't bear much resemblance to light

I'm not saying it did. I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to.

It's confirmed by a databook to be light and move at light-speed.

 

[Muuuuh]

I'm not saying it did. I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to.

Which makes it vague and subject to questioning.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

.... isn't Ichigo still a soul?

I mean a soul physical power is a physical power or a soul power?????

IDK man, soul physiology is weird. Like children get born and stuff in Soul Society.
But souls with weak Reiatsu get passively deleted by Aizen, but Aizen doesn't think this is a problem for someone with ultra-high physical stats but non-existent Reiatsu.

I read an argument that said that at this point other shinigami could no longer feel Aizen's reiatsu due to him being "on another dimension of power" Aizen could no longer feel Ichigo's Reiatsu because he had been surpassed the same way, ans in order to cope he decided to assume all his reiatsu had been turned into physical strength.

This is what ended up being true, but a valid possibility per Aizen is that Ichigo just has really high physicals. If a foremost expert in Reiatsu hypothesizes that having high physicals can make up for complete lack of Reiatsu in a fight, who are we to object?

 

[Muuuuh]

It's confirmed by a databook to be light and move at light-speed.

That's because we know how reliable databooks are, right?

 

[ByAsura]

So the burden of proof is entirely on you now since there's at least the minimum evidence needed.

Try to debunk it somewhere else, thank you.

 

[Muuuuh]

So the burden of proof is entirely on you.

Try to debunk it somewhere else, thank you.

I literally don't need it, since it couldn't care less.

I just brought here an example of the difference in the treatment between the series

I still remember the headache to accept bc light as real, even though it was declared LS, having reflection and refraction.

When Naruto didn't need any of this

 

[ByAsura]

Again, Light Fang took years to get accepted. This did happen to Naruto, just before arguments about G4's lasers were even a thing (2017, IIRC).

The OPM laser wasn't rejected because it didn't display any properties of light, it was rejected because it also displayed properties that light beams can't perform (i.e bending in an impossible fashion).

These are very different reasons.

Personally, I'm fine with G4 and G5's lasers being light-speed, but they break the wiki's light rules, and Madara's Light Fang doesn't.

 

[Muuuuh]

I know that, I've never advocated any OPM lasers.

I just raised the fact that Naruto's Light Fang also dont have any proof to be light despite the name and never had to prove to have LS, although other lesser-known series like Black Clover need to go through a whole trial process

In addition to other series like One Piece being explicitly declared as just LS in expecificos attacks (Who did not react by anyone in the series), but the comunidad of fans has so much Wank that they just don't care about it

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

How is this even vague?

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[Muuuuh]

How is this even vague?

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The simple fact that Databooks are full of errors and have never been trusted, becoming only when it suits a fan. As in this case

 

[Muuuuh]

But as I said before, franchises with giant fan bases always have a differentiated treatment, really no matter what I talk about here, because this will never change, nor CRTs made with evidence make differences thanks to the community giving hate and denying everything

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sounds like a skill issue to me

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Cope

 

[ByAsura]

I know that, I've never advocated any OPM lasers. I just raised the fact that Naruto's Light Fang also dont have any proof to be light despite the name and never had to prove to have LS, although other lesser-known series like Black Clover need to go through a whole trial process

If you know that, then why are you still arguing? This isn't hard to understand. Naruto = non-contradictory. Those other ones = contradictory. It's not about the level of sheer proof afforded to either one of them (although that does help) and they're totally incomparable.

It has **** all to do with popularity, especially since popularity IRL isn't 1:1 with the popularity of wiki verses. If it had anything to do with popularity, way more verses would be light-speed.

As proof of my claim, did you know that the manga for NNT is even more popular than OPM? You wouldn't be able to tell if you were just going by the wiki, which only just allowed a light-speed statement for Ludoshel and way less of a fanbase.

For the last time, there was a massive trial process for Naruto.

In addition to other series like One Piece being explicitly declared as just LS in expecificos attacks (Who did not react by anyone in the series), but the comunidad of fans has so much Wank that they just don't care about it

No. You are highly mistaken. It's light speed because one character is capable of transforming into massless, reflective light that tons of characters can react to. Plus, his laser abilities were added to Pacifistas.

In fact, One Piece is an example of another verse that needed a big trial for this. Previously, very few characters were rated at FTL because Kizaru's light form is one of the series' fastest characters, but so many calcs based on characters moving faster than his light form prompted us to allow FTL One Piece.

 

[Muuuuh]

If you know that, then why are you still arguing? This isn't hard to understand. Naruto = non-contradictory. Those other ones = contradictory. It's not about the level of sheer proof afforded to either one of them, although that does help.

It has **** all to do with popularity, especially since popularity IRL isn't 1:1 with the popularity of wiki verses.

If it had anything to do with popularity, way more verses would be light-speed.

For the last time, there was a massive trial process for Naruto.

No. You are highly mistaken. It's light speed because one character is capable of transforming into massless, reflective light that tons of characters can react to. Plus, his laser abilities were added to Pacifistas.

In fact, One Piece is an example of another verse that needed a big trial for this. Previously, very few characters were rated at FTL, but so many calcs based on characters moving faster than his light form prompted us to allow FTL One Piece.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

honestly laser feats should always be rela+ to ftl
by definition lasers are light, and are usually portrayed in that way even without a direct statement
we need more sol lasers in this wiki...

 

[Nehz_XZX]

But as I said before, franchises with giant fan bases always have a differentiated treatment, really no matter what I talk about here, because this will never change, nor CRTs made with evidence make differences thanks to the community giving hate and denying everything

I'm pretty sure that the Naruto example went through a lot of discussion and if you want to know more about it, then it would be better to ask that in a Questions and Answers thread directed to the Naruto supporters instead of discussing this in a One-Punch Man thread. It also took quite some time for One Piece to be accepted as FTL though I know much less about that case, so I'd suggest to do the same for that.

honestly laser feats should always be rela+ to ftl
by definition lasers are light, and are usually portrayed in that way even without a direct statement
we need more sol lasers in this wiki...

I wouldn't do that with cases that have traits that contradict them being light.

 

[ByAsura]

Cope + L + ratio + touch grass

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I wouldn't do that with cases that have traits that contradict them being light.

nope probably not, unless it's stated to be lightspeed or that they're just using some kind of light manipulation to affect how they act

 

[ZillertheBucko]

reminder that you've probably read a chapter of manga

 

[Quantu]

One Punch Man Discussion Thread and discussing topics other than One Punch Man , what a duo

 

[Muuuuh]

Cope + L + ratio + touch grass

 

[ZillertheBucko]

question
does blast downscale from serious punch^2? It'd be funny if we got blast to solo dbz

 

[Nehz_XZX]

question
does blast downscale from serious punch^2? It'd be funny if we got blast to solo dbz

Blast and his team don't seem to react as if Garou and Saitama are massively above them but we also have no direct feats or statements to support any scaling.

 

[ByAsura]

 

[Muuuuh]

question
does blast downscale from serious punch^2? It'd be funny if we got blast to solo dbz

At speed for sure.

 

[Muuuuh]

 

[ByAsura]

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Shigeo Vs Psykos

 

[Muuuuh]

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Blast and his team don't seem to react as if Garou and Saitama are massively above them but we also have no direct feats or statements to support any scaling.

well they were able to contain the attack temporarily, so if they still just massively downscale then
depending on what calc you believe they'd be at least at the highest 4-B? Which is still enough to bfr every dbz character

 

[Nehz_XZX]

well they were able to contain the attack temporarily, so if they still just massively downscale then
depending on what calc you believe they'd be at least at the highest 4-B? Which is still enough to bfr every dbz character

I'd prefer to see approved calculation blogs or accepted CRTs before I make any final conclusions regarding this.

 

[BleachHollow]

This is what ended up being true, but a valid possibility per Aizen is that Ichigo just has really high physicals. If a foremost expert in Reiatsu hypothesizes that having high physicals can make up for complete lack of Reiatsu in a fight, who are we to object?

Does someone with zero Reiatsu have zero resistance to Reiatsu crush?

According to Aizen (one of the smartest characters in Bleach), you can resist soul crush if you have enough physical strength.

Reiatsu is just the energy / pressure used when attacking, even if Ichigo had no "Reiatsu" at that moment which is not the case as seen here when Aizen still says he hasn't lost it, just converting it to physical strength, he would still have more or enough Reiryoku to fight Aizen.
So if a character super strong physically has not enough Reiryoku he would get Soul Crushed. Well, hopefully I clarified it a little.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

how long till cosmic garou key gets made

 

[Hizack123]

how long till cosmic garou key gets made

At this point new feats gonna happen every chapters lol