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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Off topic but I “love” that this series is schrodinger’s gag manga. If you complain about the lack of seriousness you are stupid for expecting seriousness in a gag manga but when a chapter or series of chapters are serious the same people who said you are stupid praise seriousness. I see it constantly with the recent chapters. People upset at the lack of seriousness being downvoted to hell and laughed at for expecting seriousness by the same people who praises DSK vs Mumen Rider, Garou vs well anyone barring PS,Saitama and SC, Tatsumaki vs Pyskos, God’s moon introduction, Saitama and Genos le wholesome xd moments etc.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
It'll be hard to tell what exact value to use for him though and this would result in a certain vagueness that isn't good for a profile to have.
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I'd rather have a rating that put Boros in an accurate but not precise range than a value that is 100% impossible.
 
Dienomite22 said:
Off topic but I “love” that this series is schrodinger’s gag manga. If you complain about the lack of seriousness you are stupid for expecting seriousness in a gag manga but when a chapter or series of chapters are serious the same people who said you are stupid praise seriousness. I see it constantly with the recent chapters. People upset at the lack of seriousness being downvoted to hell and laughed at for expecting seriousness by the same people who praises DSK vs Mumen Rider, Garou vs well anyone barring PS,Saitama and SC, Tatsumaki vs Pyskos, God’s moon introduction, Saitama and Genos le wholesome xd moments etc.
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This you fail to consider the context of these moments. They are so beloved because the series is being versatile. It's still a comedy, but it's a thoughtful one. It can be serious, thought provoking, and more than just a gag manga, but those are flourishes. It is still a comedy, and when the series stays serious for too long, it can be argued that it starts to feel like a different story.

I personally can see both sides, its themes and its humor are both amazing. We should better appreciate their synergy as opposed to arguing if one is better than or negatively impacts the other.
 
Cryo123 said:
This you fail to consider the context of these moments. They are so beloved because the series is being versatile. It's still a comedy, but it's a thoughtful one. It can be serious, thought provoking, and more than just a gag manga, but those are flourishes. It is still a comedy, and when the series stays serious for too long, it can be argued that it starts to feel like a different story.

I personally can see both sides, its themes and its humor are both amazing. We should better appreciate their synergy as opposed to arguing if one is better than or negatively impacts the other.
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I’ve considered those moments which is why I don’t pretend the series is a gag manga because its not. The point was some people forget about the seriousness within the series and ridicule people who have issues with a part not being serious and say its okay because its a gag manga while they simultaneously praise the serious parts. Ive seen this argument used to deflect criticism with the current events where people have issues with the tone of whats going on with the story. They treat wanting the story to be serious as if it never was a thing in the manga.

The people are the ones who I have issues with while the story and how it handles the comedy/seriousness mix is a different topic.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
That's understandable but you'd still need a minimum value with a solid reasoning.
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I mean my earlier comment is a MASSIVE lowball (all 14 hits are the same, even though the first three would drain far less power, and he uses the energy of 400 hits to regen once) and it was still 1.7 Zettatons per attack, so that could be a place to start.
 
Unrealted, but doesn't Child Emperor's dog robot tank the full force of HE's carpet bombing? That would pretty definitely scale the verse to High 7A.
 
Cryo123 said:
I mean my earlier comment is a MASSIVE lowball (all 14 hits are the same, even though the first three would drain far less power, and he uses the energy of 400 hits to regen once) and it was still 1.7 Zettatons per attack, so that could be a place to start.
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That still works with some assumptions especially with the energy consumed by the Regeneration. The profile would need a proper justification for its rating that provides a reasonably good explanation.
 
Nehz_XZX said:
That still works with some assumptions especially with the energy consumed by the Regeneration. The profile would need a proper justification for its rating that provides a reasonably good explanation.
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That's kind of what I'm saying, it gives us an absolute minimum, the lowest of lowballs. Especially as Boros describes regenerating as just focusing on his injury, and talks about how long he can just keep regenerating over and over again with little to not cost to himself.

Assuming the regen drains pretty much nothing it comes out to 50.7318571429 Zettatons (Still a lowball as it assumes his first 3 casual attacks are comparable to his all out ones), and if it drained 1 attack worth of energy, it still comes out to 47.3497333333 Zettatons. Meanwhile, if we took the maximum High 6A+ value, he could land 23994.7972973 hits, which is clearly inconsistent. Even 5C+ would grant him 1640.29099307 strikes, which still would be inconsistent. So scaling him to between 2-50 Zettaton is the only safe bet.
 
Why don't you calc the energy that Boros initially tanked from the Serious Punch and make some arguments to scale his AP to his durability?

Although that may be calc stacking.
 
Cryo123 said:
That's kind of what I'm saying, it gives us an absolute minimum, the lowest of lowballs. Especially as Boros describes regenerating as just focusing on his injury, and talks about how long he can just keep regenerating over and over again with little to not cost to himself.

Assuming the regen drains pretty much nothing it comes out to 50.7318571429 Zettatons (Still a lowball as it assumes his first 3 casual attacks are comparable to his all out ones), and if it drained 1 attack worth of energy, it still comes out to 47.3497333333 Zettatons. Meanwhile, if we took the maximum High 6A+ value, he could land 23994.7972973 hits, which is clearly inconsistent. Even 5C+ would grant him 1640.29099307 strikes, which still would be inconsistent. So scaling him to between 2-50 Zettaton is the only safe bet.
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That was before Boros was using Meteoric Burst and I could imagine that the strain from that increases the work his Regeneration has to do. Do we have any idea if Meteoric Burst consumes energy for maintaining it? For the sake of accuracy you'd also need to consider that the energy that Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon consumed is what he had left at the end of the fight, so all the energy he expended before that attack in the battle on top of that would be his total energy.
 
"Watch closely you shitty brat. I'm about to destroy your outlook on life. I'll show you how powerless heroes are. There won't be anyone left alive to kill you or save you. There will only be me, absolute evil, to dominate... and put a permanent end to the unreasonable world that made both of us cry."

rate this garou quote
 
Pepsiman25th said:
"Watch closely you shitty brat. I'm about to destroy your outlook on life. I'll show you how powerless heroes are. There won't be anyone left alive to kill you or save you. There will only be me, absolute evil, to dominate... and put a permanent end to the unreasonable world that made both of us cry."

rate this garou quote
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trash for the unnecessary last sentence
 
Nehz_XZX said:
That was before Boros was using Meteoric Burst and I could imagine that the strain from that increases the work his Regeneration has to do. Do we have any idea if Meteoric Burst consumes energy for maintaining it?
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He says he can't even maintain the form for very long as just using it shortens his life span. I do think the strain of regen would increase, but as I showed above, it doesn't matter if it's 10 times more taxing, or 400 times more taxing than a serious attack, he would still end up in the 5B range.
Nehz_XZX said:
For the sake of accuracy you'd also need to consider that the energy that Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon consumed is what he had left at the end of the fight, so all the energy he expended before that attack in the battle on top of that would be his total energy.
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That is something I've been thinking about. I would say it's another reason Boros can't just be High 6A, as Boros felt like he had to unleash whatever was left of his suicide attack after such a short amount of time. Although it adds uncertainty to the exact amount he spent, his statement about CSRC was probably not made on the fly, and instead formed from his pre-existing understanding of the attack. (He clearly was calcing this in his head during the fight), so the 710 Zettaton value may be its full AP.

If I were giving a number, I would take the median of Low 5B, (As Low 5B+ may be too high, and the bottom of Low 5B is too low) or 29.7348 Zettatons. He would be able to do 23 attacks, leaving comfortable breathing room for his regen, and all of his attacks.
 
By the way, since we have the approval of 2 GMC can't we ask Antvasima if we can make a CRT about it? (talking about the calc')
 
Pepsiman25th said:
"Watch closely you shitty brat. I'm about to destroy your outlook on life. I'll show you how powerless heroes are. There won't be anyone left alive to kill you or save you. There will only be me, absolute evil, to dominate... and put a permanent end to the unreasonable world that made both of us cry."

rate this garou quote
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10/10. It shows Garou's resolve, but also his human side, helping further contextualize his motives and give them more depth to the reader.

We also start to sympathize with Garou through this use of Dramatic Irony. Garou is talking like the stereotypical anti-hero, he views his cause as just, and we are led to believe that nothing will stop him. Yet us, the audience, know that Garou will fail. He can't succeed, no matter how hard he pushes himself, how many barriers he overcomes, or how much he grows as a person, the anti-hero's journey he's gone on so far is about to come to a swift, humorous end. He doesn't know Saitama is impossibly powerful, but we do, and it creates this tragic scenario of a serious character in an absurd stiuation.
 
Cryo123 said:
Well you've made quite the splash with your debut.
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Thanks you!

I'll hope to get 3 accepted calculations to became a CGM some days, so I'll help you guys. (Hence why I can't wait to finish this one so I can move on to the next one lol)

And yes, I know CGM can't accept their own calculation don't worry. I just wanna help out all the others peeps out there with my rough 6 months worth of experience in calc. :P

For example, I go to the Calculation Evaluations Thread time to time, and try to help with small calcs that could get rejected :
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Kachon123 said:
MB doesn't scale. If others want to make a CRT to scale MB to CSRC, they can do that, but the most I will do is create a CRT to show how the ratings would look like.
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its just we were talking about how MB would scale since boros was strained in MB but yet his CSRC is >>>>>> by far.
 
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