Tyki Mikk Vs Lille Barro - 7/3 - Grace

[speedster352]

Are you counting the votes?

 

[LordGinSama]

Kishi and Reishi seem to have discernible differences (atleast from what the wiki says) so im unsure if that sentiment is wholly true.

Read Bleach, they're different because one is spiritual, the other isn't. Aside from that, they're both parallels.

So wiki definition > Author's intention?

Absolutely.

Ah you should have worded it better (no offence). If so then it'd be fine. So why not use that as a rhetoric instead of the brain numbing idiocy that "reishi light = element"

I literally posted that in the beginning of the thread. I shouldn't need to spoon feed you information that's already on the profiles mate.

 

[LordGinSama]

Are you counting the votes?

Lillie's vote need to be redone given they're based around blatant misinformation.

 

[Jibz]

I literally posted that in the beginning of the thread. I shouldn't need to spoon feed you information that's already on the profiles mate.

Chill with the hostility, at the start you and Apple were arguing about whether or not Light was an element, you brought those points up with scans later on.

 

[LordGinSama]

Chill with the hostility, at the start you and Apple were arguing about whether or not Light was an element, you brought those points up with scans later on.

There's no hostility in my responses, I am being succinct. Your on a debating board, no need to take things personally.

 

[Jibz]

The passive aggressive tone is both consistent in this thread and evident. (like "mate" who says that and means it earnestly). Regardless im tired of this discussion, next time ill just ask for more depth rather then just arguing against someone's poor rhetoric.

Unwatching for now untill something meaningful occurs.

 

[LordGinSama]

Mate is a term I use everyday, stop being so damn sensitive. Your reading shit that ain't even there.


Anyway, moving on.

 

[Deceived3596]

Are you counting the votes?

Yes, i just woke up.

Give me a couple minutes and i'll start counting the new votes.

But as stated by Gin a lot of Lille's votes need to be redone since they're based around false information (like Tyki being incapable of interacting with Lille given he's comprised of "Spiritual Light" and Paralysis Inducement isn't a valid win-con for Lille since 1: Lille doesn't even use that ability within character in this key and 2: Tyki is resistant towards Paralysis Inducement on a more layered level compared to Lille's Paralysis Inducement)

 

[Deceived3596]

So through looking at both pages of this debate this is what I've found.

Both @speedster352 and @AppleLord's votes are invalid for right now since they're both based around false pretenses (Speedster believing that Lille's Paralysis Inducement would work against Tyki/believing that Lille uses Paralysis Inducement in-character in his second-form and AppleLord believing that Tyki can't interact with Lille given he's comprised of Spiritual Light, which was debunked by both Gin and KingTempest above)

@Nightmare_Bloodfallen, @M_Animefan and @Lynieryz Y'all votes are currently still valid but it'll help this thread massively if you guys can add more context on why you believe that Lille wins.

Jibz, Nightmare_Bloodfallen and M_Animefan votes have been counted and both Speedster352's and AppleLord's votes have been removed until both choose an actual valid win-con for Lille.

 

[KingTempest]

So through looking at both pages of this debate this is what I've found.

Both @speedster352 and @AppleLord's votes are invalid for right now since they're both based around false pretenses (Speedster believing that Lille's Paralysis Inducement would work against Tyki/believing that Lille uses Paralysis Inducement in-character in his second-form and AppleLord believing that Tyki can't interact with Lille given he's comprised of Spiritual Light, which was debunked by both Gin and KingTempest above)

@Nightmare_Bloodfallen, @M_Animefan and @Lynieryz Y'all votes are currently still valid but it'll help this thread massively if you guys can add more context on why you believe that Lille wins.

Jibz, Nightmare_Bloodfallen and M_Animefan votes have been counted and both Speedster352's and AppleLord's votes have been removed until both choose an actual valid win-con for Lille.

W thread owner

 

[azontr]

Noah of Pleasure FRA

 

[Deceived3596]

W thread owner

 

[AppleLord]

So like did you just like completely ignore what I said? Lillie's light is completely different from real life light. Lillie's light does not behave like real light, and is composed of actual matter (Reishi.) in this case. So the comparison of how light works in comparison to Lillie's doesn't even work.



Classic Apple argument lmao, no it's not an NLF. An NLF would be us saying Tyki can interact with Non Existent beings. Tyki can interact with anything in "Life." (Which would include light, unless you think light is now suddenly a non Existent concept.) it's already in the profiles and is accepted as such. You can continue to moan about NLF's but until you make a CRT, Tyki is slapping.

Spiritual light is not something from “Life” but from the realm of the “Death”. You can touch water and say it is the same as touching oil. You can touch oil but you can't say you can touch electricity. You can touch a soul but you can't say you can touch light. You can touch light but you can't say you can touch spiritual light. They are not made of the same stuff and they are not accepted that way in their profiles. If you want to say that they are the same, make a CRT so that they accept spiritual light as light, but I told you right now that you will not succeed because they are not the same.

 

[AppleLord]

that makes 0 sense, nowhere in real life would that assertation even be logically possible. How can you presume the author of the manga when referring to "element" includes elements that literally do not exist.

Like how would that even work?

On the wiki, not in real life. The "element" mentioned in whatever manga this is is clearly not referring to the concept as shown in the wiki


Regardless im done with this topic, going over ad naseum points (as i fear the future will bring) is not something i enjoy. So sure lets just assume the author was referring to elements and forms of elements that dont exist in real life. (And here i thought we couldnt have type IV's because the notion of "All" cardinals was a NLF for assuming they were referring to those specific cardinals, which are actually an irl conceptualization rather then some hippity thought experiment that the wider world has no idea of (as seen with "spiritual element").

Spiritual light Is not really an element. You’re correct. In SS world where everything is made of Reishi (spiritual particles) Ikkaku and Iba discuss the difference between a lightning bolt made of reishi from the clouds been different from a lightning bolt made of Kido and both are made of Reishi. Lille’s light can’t be considered an element. It doesn’t behave like normal light after all.

 

[LordGinSama]

Blatant what about tism's.


Lillie isn't a Shinigami so that's irrelevant. Reishi isn't an attribute that's similar to Death, that's wank into high hell.



Tyki can interact with Lillie, if you really think Lillie is this character with some type of Non Existence then make a CRT or stop using this already debunked argument.



Lillie's light being different than normal light (which what I even said, ergo it's proof of you arguing for the sake of arguing.) is irrelevant. Choose can interact with anything that's in life, even if said Intangbility is that of Road's who exists in another dimension all together.



Make a new argument or else your vote will be discarded.

 

[YungManzi]

Ah yes, a battle to determine which interpretation is the most wanked, in which case Bleach loses.
Like seriously, Idk how D. Gray Man resistances were ever accepted in their current state, way worse than even Bleach wank.
And I say this as a person who's generally a bleach opponent on the site.

Do I feel like doing anything about it though? no.

 

[LordGinSama]

Ah yes, a battle to determine which interpretation is the most wanked, in which case Bleach loses.
Like seriously, Idk how D. Gray Man resistances were ever accepted in their current state, way worse than even Bleach wank.
And I say this as a person who's generally a bleach opponent on the site.

Do I feel like doing anything about it though? no.

says the nardo fan

 

[AppleLord]

Blatant what about tism's.


Lillie isn't a Shinigami so that's irrelevant. Reishi isn't an attribute that's similar to Death, that's wank into high hell.

I never said he was a Shinigami and my argument still stand. Saying he ain’t a shinigami changes nothing.

Reishi is what the dimension of “Death” in Bleach is made of in the verse. Reishi can be found in the “Living” world in small portions as the living world was once part of the Death realm.

Tyki can interact with Lillie, if you really think Lillie is this character with some type of Non Existence then make a CRT or stop using this already debunked argument.

Never said he had non existence. You can argue that on your own.

Lillie's light being different than normal light (which what I even said, ergo it's proof of you arguing for the sake of arguing.) is irrelevant. Choose can interact with anything that's in life, even if said Intangbility is that of Road's who exists in another dimension all together.

Spiritual light is in the realm of the death. The afterlife. It doesn’t come from Life.

Make a new argument or else your vote will be discarded.

You haven’t debunked any of my argument to make such a proclamation.

 

[AppleLord]

Evidence is yet to be shown for Tyki who has no feats of touching “Death” only that which is part of “Life” and Lille Barro isn’t part of ”Life” and neither is spiritual light. Tyki’s argument is based on a NLF.

 

[Lynieryz]

 

[LordGinSama]

That argument falls flat whenever Tyki can affect shit that isn't even from the same dimension or realm. Hence why he can effect Road, who only exists as a literal dream.


Next argument, please. I'm not gonna sit here and waste time with you Apple, the OP said your vote will not be counted so deal with it or use a new argument.


You continue to use the term NLF without knowing what that term even is. You arguing an NLF = conversational discourse. You have zero legitimate argument so you claim NLF.

 

[AppleLord]

That argument falls flat whenever Tyki can affect shit that isn't even from the same dimension or realm. Hence why he can effect Road, who only exists as a literal dream.

Dreams are part of life. Lille doesn’t exist in a dream. This a very bad comparison.

Next argument, please. I'm not gonna sit here and waste time with you Apple, the OP said your vote will not be counted so deal with it or use a new argument.

The OP decides what arguments to count based on his beliefs. And he already argued on his own thread in Tyki’s favor. He already made up his mind. I can’t change that but I won’t close my lips to wank and NLF. I see it. I call it.

You continue to use the term NLF without knowing what that term even is. You arguing an NLF = conversational discourse. You have zero legitimate argument so you claim NLF.

How about you post prove for Tyki NPI with something that’s not from the realm of “Life”.

 

[KingTempest]

If the man can touch souls which count as "death" (unless you wanna tell me that souls are alive), then he can touch Lille

 

[LordGinSama]

Dreams are part of life. Lille doesn’t exist in a dream. This a very bad comparison.

So now Lillie and Quincy don't even have dreams? This is self evident wank. Noah are evolved Akuma, aka Souls. Soul are not apart of life, so once again next argument.

The OP decides what arguments to count based on his beliefs. And he already argued on his own thread in Tyki’s favor. He already made up his mind. I can’t change that but I won’t close my lips to wank and NLF. I see it. I call it.

And you see the NLF wrong. You can only make an argument an NLF if you yourself make it so. Which you've been doing intentionally, your vote doesn't count end of discussion.

How about you post prove for Tyki NPI with something that’s not from the realm of “Life”.

Akuma, etc.


Tyki can interact shit from different realms, hence his inter dimensional range.

 

[Jibz]

If the man can touch souls which count as "death" (unless you wanna tell me that souls are alive), then he can touch Lille

stop, let them fight, its entertaining

why are they arguing semantics when Tyki can affect all things than exist in life

 

[AppleLord]

If the man can touch souls which count as "death" (unless you wanna tell me that souls are alive), then he can touch Lille

Same old argument won’t help. A soul and a soul with a light body isn’t the same. I’ll continue to say it because is true. I need evidence that would prove otherwise besides an opinion.

 

[AppleLord]

So now Lillie and Quincy don't even have dreams? This is self evident wank.

You can argue that by yourself. Never heard of it.

Noah are evolved Akuma, aka Souls. Soul are not apart of life, so once again next argument.

This again. Same argument souls and souls with a light body are not the same. Cycle repeats itself.

And you see the NLF wrong. You can only make an argument an NLF if you yourself make it so. Which you've been doing intentionally, your vote doesn't count end of discussion.

I’m not making the NLF. You’re by giving Tyki a feat he has not shown.

Akuma, etc.


Tyki can interact shit from different realms, hence his inter dimensional range.

NLF. Now Tyki can interact with every single existence in every reality because he can interact with a different reality in his own verse. That’s like saying Lille can interact with Limbo from Naruto because he can interact with Hollows. He cannot. Is a NlF to say otherwise and the same applies to Tyki here.

 

[LordGinSama]

You can argue that by yourself. Never heard of it.

Blatant projection. I never said they don't have dreams, you're the one who insinuated that with your argument.

This again. Same argument souls and souls with a light body are not the same. Cycle repeats itself.

Which is irrelevant, as I said Tyki has feats of effecting both. Tyki is currently accepted as having all types of NPI, aside from Non Existence and higher D Intangbility. None of which Lillie falls under, so either make a CRT or move on.

I’m not making the NLF. You’re by giving Tyki a feat he has not shown.

Statements >>> Feats and yes, he has shown that ability.

NLF.

You literally don't even know what NLF means. Both staff and the OP has explained this to you multiple times already.

Now Tyki can interact with every single existence in every reality because he can interact with a different reality in his own verse.

Once again, a Blatant strawman argument. I never once said nor insinuated Tyki can interact with non Existence, i can he can interact with anything that's of this world, which going by the accepted CRT, he can indeed do. You're the one who intentionally making it seem like an NLF in order to make Lillie's Intangbility more impressive than what it really is.

That’s like saying Lille can interact with Limbo from Naruto because he can interact with Hollows. He cannot.

Which is wrong? He can indeed affect Limbo, Limbo Clones are only Intangible via existing on another plane. Tyki has already interacted with this type of Intangbility, so this is further proof that you have zero knowledge on DGM. Congratulations, you've played yourself with this dog shit analogy.


literally with this analogy you've directly proved that you haven't read DGM nor even Tyki's profile given the fact that Tyki's profile already covers inter dimensional based intang.


Likely Inter-Dimensional with "Choose" (Was greatly implied by Road herself that Tyki can interact with her true-form). Road's Intangbility is based upon dreams and that her true forms exist beyond multiple dimensions. So yeah, cleary you don't know anything.

Is a NlF to say otherwise and the same applies to Tyki here.

Not really, the NLF argument has been debunked yet you continue to use it. Your arguments for NLF are based upon strawman arguments and nothing more.



Anyway, I'm not gonna continue to waste time on you. The OP said your arguments are invalid, so until you come up with a new argument which you haven't your arguments are null. Don't reply to me again without a new argument.

 

[Jibz]

Who else eating popcorn with me whilst watching this. I cant be the only one, surely?

 

[LordGinSama]

Apple can continue to cry all he wants, but till he makes a downgrade thread for Tyki's NPI his vote will not be counted.


"Can't interact with Limbo Clones." despite him literally having had interacted with the same exact shit before casually.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Tyki FRA from Gin. His arguments seem to make more sense for a Tyki W

 

[M_Animefan]

Apple can continue to cry all he wants, but till he makes a downgrade thread for Tyki's NPI his vote will not be counted.


"Can't interact with Limbo Clones." despite him literally having had interacted with the same exact shit before casually.

I mean come on. His vote will be counted. Why wouldn’t it be?:/ you know that it’s just a debate and you should stop being rude.

 

[KingTempest]

Votes that are counted for invalid reasons aren't votes, they're echo chambers

 

[LordGinSama]

I'm just gonna ignore that, that's a cheap loan shark argument that acts more Italian than actual Italians.

 

[AppleLord]

Blatant projection. I never said they don't have dreams, you're the one who insinuated that with your argument.

“Lille doesn’t exist in a dream.” Learn to read.

Which is irrelevant, as I said Tyki has feats of effecting both.

Show me. Show Tyki touching spiritual light. Or at least a light attack that comes from a soul.

Tyki is currently accepted as having all types of NPI, aside from Non Existence and higher D Intangbility. None of which Lillie falls under, so either make a CRT or move on.

Then show me the feat. Is easy right

Statements >>> Feats and yes, he has shown that ability.

Okay. I already told you to show me a statement that says he can touch spiritual light.

You literally don't even know what NLF means. Both staff and the OP has explained this to you multiple times already.

Nah, all you have said is not a NLF. I respect that opinion but I don’t accept it as an argument.

Once again, a Blatant strawman argument. I never once said nor insinuated Tyki can interact with non Existence, i can he can interact with anything that's of this world, which going by the accepted CRT, he can indeed do.

But Lille isn’t of this world? Thanks for debunking your own argument.

You're the one who intentionally making it seem like an NLF in order to make Lillie's Intangbility more impressive than what it really is.

Lille is double intangible. He doesn’t have the boring simple soul intangibility everyone else has in other verses. Stop downplaying Lille to make Tyki sound more impressive than he is. If he really was that impressive you would have provided the scan for Tyki touching spiritual light already.

Which is wrong? He can indeed affect Limbo, Limbo Clones are only Intangible via existing on another plane. Tyki has already interacted with this type of Intangbility, so this is further proof that you have zero knowledge on DGM. Congratulations, you've played yourself with this dog shit analogy.

This guys doesn’t even read or lacks reading comprehension skills. Maybe he doesn’t know correct sentence structure. I’m not one to talk since I skip a lot of rules when writing fast online but at least I make it clear who am I talking about. If you don’t know what this is all about go read my post above. I was talking about Lille not Tyki on this topic.

literally with this analogy you've directly proved that you haven't read DGM nor even Tyki's profile given the fact that Tyki's profile already covers inter dimensional based intang.

I did. Even quoted before above. I guessed you also missed that somewhere in your reading comprehension skills.

Likely Inter-Dimensional with "Choose" (Was greatly implied by Road herself that Tyki can interact with her true-form). Road's Intangbility is based upon dreams and that her true forms exist beyond multiple dimensions. So yeah, cleary you don't know anything.

Nice. Evidence that he can touch people inside dreams and other dimensions. Now where is the spiritual light quote?

Not really, the NLF argument has been debunked yet you continue to use it. Your arguments for NLF are based upon strawman arguments and nothing more.

You have failed to convinced me. As long as I can argue for it, you have not debunked it.

Anyway, I'm not gonna continue to waste time on you. The OP said your arguments are invalid, so until you come up with a new argument which you haven't your arguments are null. Don't reply to me again without a new argument.

Concession accepted.

 

[KingTempest]

Lille is double intangible.

You act like it's layered intan
It's just 2 types of intan, which both get countered

 

[AppleLord]

You act like it's layered intan
It's just 2 types of intan, which both get countered

Even if I were to entertain the idea that you are right, Lille on top of that has regeneration and constant evolution which increases his speed, power, and abilities.

 

[KingTempest]

okay?
he can still get hit. that's all i care about

 

[AppleLord]

okay?
he can still get hit. that's all i care about

He cannot because of this power…

“Likely Logic Manipulation (Shunsui directly states that “His Logic no longer applies” anymore to Lille after Lille opened both of his eyes),”

Tyki’s logic of NPI feats (which he don’t have) will not work on him.

 

[azontr]

Even if I were to entertain the idea that you are right, Lille on top of that has regeneration and constant evolution which increases his speed, power, and abilities.

If Lille gets hit, which he will, he'll be getting atomically ****** by Dark Matter.