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Funny enough, I stumbled across Overtime last night for myself - the fact that this match happened and with the Undertale au mentioned, makes this match a hundred times more fun for me than it should be.
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His description for Soul Manip resistance is due to Medic selling his soulFirst key Scout isn't soulless.
If Mettaton destroys Scout's soul, he becomes 0.0658 tons
Wait what, where? AP right? Because I can't find the soulless justificationYea that happened during the events of Mann vs Machine. His AP justification in his 2nd key lists that him becoming soulless made him far stronger.
Stronger than before. Despite being called "the laughing stock in the mercenary world", becoming soulless allowed their team to defeat the Team Fortress Classic team, who defeated the Administrator's best echelon, Team Vanguard, which left her with "just the rejects"
First of all, that means Scout has a stat amp that increases his AP by over 9xFirst key Scout isn't soulless.
If Mettaton destroys Scout's soul, he becomes 0.0658 tons
Acctually is both, and destroying his soul would probable kill him sinse wasn't a cirurgicall removalFirst of all, that means Scout has a stat amp that increases his AP by over 9x
Second, that simply means he is the one who now has a 3x AP advantage
Though as everyone said above, this version of Mettaton has more physical attacks so SOUL destruction would probably happen less faster
I agree with this. The only thing that we know about Scout's soullessness is that Medic did some bullshit to remove his soul, we aren't given how and when this happened during TF2 Timeline, so we can't use this as a justification for Scout transforming into his second key.yeah no, we cant assume his soul being destroyed would transfer him to his second key, since it was surgically removed, not completely destroyed.
It’s said in the official timeline of the TF2 wiki that it happened during the Robot War.I agree with this. The only thing that we know about Scout's soullessness is that Medic did some bullshit to remove his soul, we aren't given how and when this happened during TF2 Timeline, so we can't use this as a justification for Scout transforming into his second key.
I did not know that there was an official timeline for TF2! And that panel... doesn't really seem like it is strong evidence in my eyes. Ms. Paul seems like she was simply trying to find some reasonable explanation on why TF2 Mercs won against the TFC Mercs by saying that the TF2 Mercs must have something that the TFC Mercs don't have, and Medic just says that they don't have souls which cause Ms.Paul to look at Medic weird until he drops the topic.It’s said in the official timeline of the TF2 wiki that it happened during the Robot War.
The reason he became stronger is because his soul was removed, as Medic states the reason the TF2 Mercs were able to win against the TFC Mercs was due to their lack of souls. So regardless if it’s surgically removed or destroyed, both result in Scout not having a soul. So it can safely be assumed he would survive it being destroyed, as he doesn’t require one to live.
his soul was surgically removed, that doesn't mean he can survive it being destroyed. its outside his body not blown into hundreds of pieces. when medic was killed he delt away all the other merc's souls in hell to satan to come back, so clearly they're in some way still bound to the mercs they come from.The reason he became stronger is because his soul was removed, as Medic states the reason the TF2 Mercs were able to win against the TFC Mercs was due to their lack of souls. So regardless if it’s surgically removed or destroyed, both result in Scout not having a soul. So it can safely be assumed he would survive it being destroyed, as he doesn’t require one to live.
The thing is, as seen in the profile, the TF2 mercenaries were seen as complete jokes compared to literally any other mercenary group. So the entire time, the TFC team were baffled as to how they were getting stomped by the TF2 team. And Medic finally cleared it up by saying it’s because they don’t have souls.I did not know that there was an official timeline for TF2! And that panel... doesn't really seem like it is strong evidence in my eyes. Ms. Paul seems like she was simply trying to find some reasonable explanation on why TF2 Mercs won against the TFC Mercs by saying that the TF2 Mercs must have something that the TFC Mercs don't have, and Medic just says that they don't have souls which cause Ms.Paul to look at Medic weird until he drops the topic.
Kinda seems like it was just a joke, IMO. And btw, it seems to me that Scout's Robot War/Australium Chase Key is stronger is simply cuz he got stronger the good ol' fashion through fighting a crapton of robots until he got strong and not because of his lack of a soul.
I don’t see how that means the souls were still bound to the mercenaries. There isn’t any evidence suggesting that the mercenaries would die if the souls they no longer even own were destroyed.his soul was surgically removed, that doesn't mean he can survive it being destroyed. its outside his body not blown into hundreds of pieces. when medic was killed he delt away all the other merc's souls in hell to satan to come back, so clearly they're in some way still bound to the mercs they come from.
There is also no evidence saing that if their soul whem still in his body is destroyed he wouldn't die, mostly the oposite, There are a great amount of moments were medic took other souls and shoved in other things, like whem he putted a guy soul/mind into a pupiking, If was this easy to remove a soul in the TF2 universe the medic wouldn't be the only one to do ItI don’t see how that means the souls were still bound to the mercenaries. There isn’t any evidence suggesting that the mercenaries would die if the souls they no longer even own were destroyed.
Like I said, what matters here is that they can survive without their souls. If a person can survive having their heart ripped out, it doesn’t matter if it’s just taken out or taken out and destroyed, they would survive regardless.
Why would we assume that beings that can survive without a soul would suddenly die from something they don’t even need to survive?There is also no evidence saing that if their soul whem still in his body is destroyed he wouldn't die, mostly the oposite, There are a great amount of moments were medic took other souls and shoved in other things, like whem he putted a guy soul/mind into a pupiking, If was this easy to remove a soul in the TF2 universe the medic wouldn't be the only one to do It
Fair, could you give more context to the merasmus feat?Why would we assume that beings that can survive without a soul would suddenly die from something they don’t even need to survive?
That wasn’t that guy’s soul. That was that guy’s brain, which is a completely different case.
I don’t see how that is relevant, who else do we know of in universe that has an obsession with body parts and souls?Either way, Merasmus has done something to a similar extent with the Soul Gargoyles.
Basically, the soul gargoyles he has are used to collect souls from people that were killed.Fair, could you give more context to the merasmus feat?
Hum... Got It, so you are saing that he would survive having It soul destroyed?Basically, the soul gargoyles he has are used to collect souls from people that were killed.
YesHum... Got It, so you are saing that he would survive having It soul destroyed?
tl;dr - questioning whether scout getting his soul fist of the north star'd would kill him or not.
Good God what is this!
I came in to see what's up with a user later, a recap would be nice. My boy Scout is on a loosing streak here anyways so, oops.
good question.Wait, why would lossing his soul would make his guns strongher?
How?? Why the hell are we arguing that?? I mean they lack any soul to interfere with due to the top secret contract Medic did, therefore logically any 'Omae wa mou shinderu' BS wouldn't do much to Scout, unless Mettaton acknowledged and made a truce with Stan... But that is obviously far out of character to consider. So with this, even then Mettaton obviously has weaponry from under one of which are indeed hard to dodge even for Scout and seemingly is stronger... Though the problem for her is the supply of Mad Milk, it will keep Scout patched up given it will constantly heal him, very stainy too (Not Secksul... Hopefully) Even more so given Mettas material btw, thus that healing even if partial wouldn't go away any time soon.tl;dr - questioning whether scout getting his soul fist of the north star'd would kill him or not.
Wait except this, I don't recall this. ._.Wait, why would lossing his soul would make his guns strongher?
Bassically, se are using first key scout that has a soul, but was argued that if his soul is destroyed he not only not die but also get's to his second key apHow?? Why the hell are we arguing that?? I mean they lack any soul to interfere with due to the top secret contract Medic did, therefore logically any 'Omae wa mou shinderu' BS wouldn't do much to Scout, unless Mettaton acknowledged and made a truce with Stan... But that is obviously far out of character to consider. So with this, even then Mettaton obviously has weaponry from under one of which are indeed hard to dodge even for Scout and seemingly is stronger... Though the problem for her is the supply of Mad Milk, it will keep Scout patched up given it will constantly heal him, very stainy too (Not Secksul... Hopefully) Even more so given Mettas material btw, thus that healing even if partial wouldn't go away any time soon.
I mean Scout has other weaponry if we are using at least the first key basics, one of which can stun her possibly long enough for Scout to "taunt swing her outta hea'!".
Wait except this, I don't recall this. ._.
I mean somewhere it's implied that Medic pulled the trick somewhere from the very beginning maybe.Bassically, se are using first key scout that has a soul, but was argued that if his soul is destroyed he not only not die but also get's to his second key ap
Well, seens like acctually was during man vs machine arcI mean somewhere it's implied that Medic pulled the trick somewhere from the very beginning maybe.
no, it happened during the robot war, not in the beginning.I mean somewhere it's implied that Medic pulled the trick somewhere from the very beginning maybe.
already explained he has a soul in this key, the mad milk doesn't constantly heal he has to damage his opponent, and scout is at a x3.3~ AP disadvantage so the mad milk isn't going to be that useful.How?? Why the hell are we arguing that?? I mean they lack any soul to interfere with due to the top secret contract Medic did, therefore logically any 'Omae wa mou shinderu' BS wouldn't do much to Scout, unless Mettaton acknowledged and made a truce with Stan... But that is obviously far out of character to consider. So with this, even then Mettaton obviously has weaponry from under one of which are indeed hard to dodge even for Scout and seemingly is stronger... Though the problem for her is the supply of Mad Milk, it will keep Scout patched up given it will constantly heal him, very stainy too (Not Secksul... Hopefully) Even more so given Mettas material btw, thus that healing even if partial wouldn't go away any time soon.
Please tell me we're not gonna do the Undertale/Deltarune soul manip doesn't one-shot discussion againSo if this is the key where he doesn't even have the resistance, yeah although Meta wins I don't see how it's fair like this is a one shot if you will.