- 2,280
- 1,850
Simply put, the scaling for Percy Jackson’s gods needs some downgrades.
First, let’s start with speed;
An amped Percy from the first book The Lightning Thief, has an Ocean amped Percy Jackson tagging Ares. This occurred years before his physical prime in The Last Olympian, and while this is Are’s casual reaction speed, if he were even close to Relativistic speeds it would have, simply put, been impossible without a 1079 times speed boost at the minimum on Percy’s end. (Prime Percy scales to Jason at Mach 81). If, however, the Massively Hypersonic+ calc for Hermes was used, this feat would no longer be impossible.
Now on to circular scaling which plagues this verse. All major gods are by default Relativistic, because they can fight other gods, but no god has a relativistic reaction feat. The best you have is the gods turning into light, but that is outright ridiculous to scale to their compat speed. Maybe if you argued that Apollo’s light arrows are dodgeable this could work, but such a thing has not been clearly shown or calced and so it should not be used until then.
The High tier gods speed should be like this (I will use Hyperion for an example)
Speed: High Hypersonic+ (Kept up with Percy Jackson) | Massively Hypersonic+ Movement Speed (Should be comparable to Hermes) | Speed of light attack speeds via light blasts | Speed of light movement speed via turning into light
Now onto the AP downgrade that this verse needs:
Typhon, one of the most powerful characters in the entire Riordanverse, was said to be responsible for the craters on the moon. For an example of the power needed to do this, let’s use the largest moon crater, South Pole–Aitken basin. It is 2,500 kilometers deep, and about 8.2 kilometers deep. Plugging this into our Semi-Ellipsoid Calculator, we get a volume of 26,834,437.249 Cubic Kilometers or 2.6834437249e+22 cubic centimeters. Now let’s apply violent fragmentation (An extreme lowball), Pulverization, and Vaporization (Scientists say the craters on the Moon are caused by meteors, so this will be our high end).
Violent Fragmentation:
69 joules/cubic centimeter
69 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 1.8515762e+24 joules
Pulverization:
214.35 joules/cubic centimeter
214.35 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 5.7519616e+24 joules
Vaporization:
25,700 joules/cubic centimeter
25,700 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 6.8964504e+26 joules
So to sum it up:
Low End Violent Fragmentation: 442.537332696 Teratons (High 6B, Country Level)
Mid End Pulverization: 1.37475181644 Petatons (6A, Continent Level)
High End Vaporization: 164.829120459 Petatons (High 6A, Multi-Continent Level)
The gods creating constellations could be some level of reality manipulation or matter manipulation, as it would be preposterous to say that one of the verse’s god tiers best feat is hundreds of times weaker than Artemis. Also, in the context of the Riordanverse, the Sun is not actually as far away, powerful, or large, and the constellations are not real stars, but objects placed in the sky itself. Within the Riordan Verse, reality exists in layers, where the constellations are both real stars scientifically, while also being smaller, placed objects for those exposed to the Greek Pantheon. It’s confusing, but your belief system determines which rules apply to you.
Not only this, but Zues flooding the world is 5 Exatons, which while higher, is still only Multi-Continent level, and would, again, be explained by weather manipulation (Which he is THE GOD OF, and should be more powerful with), reality manipulation, or basic matter manipulation. Not only that, but Zues consistently outclasses the other gods by leagues and leagues.
Also, the minor gods should not be over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of times weaker than the likes of Apollo, at only island level.
Then there’s the Supernova feat, where Jason describes Hera’s true form to look like a supernova. There is no reason this should be valid, as Jason has never seen a supernova or any such explosion and it most likely is a hyperbole. Even worse, he said it “looks like”, and yeah a being of pure energy that can obliterate continents will look like a supernova to an Island level character, but that doesn’t mean it’s comparable to one. If anything, the lack of damage, the fact that the characters only feel a flash of heat when near her, and only die if they directly see her promotes the assumption that this statement is simply put, false. It is a simile meant to illustrate how bright her true form is.
In conclusion, all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their speeds to be edited appropriately to remove their relativistic rating until more concrete feats can be provided, and all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their tiers lowered to Multi-Continent level.
Gae could still scale to planet level as an Earth sized entity, but the AP profiles should be edited as follows, (Assuming High 6A was used).
Zeus: At most High 6A physically (Physically weaker than Typhon, and was defeated by him) | Higher with Weather Manipulation (Was able to flood the entire planet) | Far higher with the Thunderbolt (Was able to defeat Typhon with it in only several shots)
Typhon: At least High 6A physically (Was able to create craters on the moon’s surface)
And Typhon’s durability is at least his AP, but could reach 5C as it took several shots from Zues’s lightning bolt to weaken him enough to be captured (Which massively Upscales Zeus' 5 exaton feat), but that will not be included in this draft, as the Typhon feat is up for debate.
Typhon: At least High 6A, likely far higher (Was able to take multiple strikes from Zues’s lightning bolt before being incapacitated)
Zues: At most High 6A (Was defeated by Typhon)
All other gods should scale noticeably below Zues, and would scale to a 6A+ rating or the bottom end of High 6A.
Can't wait to see what you guys think! My Typhon calculation hasn't been verified yet, should I make a blog for it?
Edit: Percy Jackson should also get limited Instinctive Reactions for being able to block bullets he couldn't see by "sensing their path". Gods may also get upgraded to Relativistic+ to Sol anyways due to a possible new calc.
Current Calculations:
The god's vaporize a Sea (Accepted, High 6B, ballpark calc)
Typhon throws a temper-tantrum (Accepted, will probably be removed though, High 6A, would only scale to Zues and Typhon)
Zeus' Masterbolt < Serious Series Punch (Pending, High 6A, only scales to Zeus and Typhon)
First, let’s start with speed;
An amped Percy from the first book The Lightning Thief, has an Ocean amped Percy Jackson tagging Ares. This occurred years before his physical prime in The Last Olympian, and while this is Are’s casual reaction speed, if he were even close to Relativistic speeds it would have, simply put, been impossible without a 1079 times speed boost at the minimum on Percy’s end. (Prime Percy scales to Jason at Mach 81). If, however, the Massively Hypersonic+ calc for Hermes was used, this feat would no longer be impossible.
Now on to circular scaling which plagues this verse. All major gods are by default Relativistic, because they can fight other gods, but no god has a relativistic reaction feat. The best you have is the gods turning into light, but that is outright ridiculous to scale to their compat speed. Maybe if you argued that Apollo’s light arrows are dodgeable this could work, but such a thing has not been clearly shown or calced and so it should not be used until then.
The High tier gods speed should be like this (I will use Hyperion for an example)
Speed: High Hypersonic+ (Kept up with Percy Jackson) | Massively Hypersonic+ Movement Speed (Should be comparable to Hermes) | Speed of light attack speeds via light blasts | Speed of light movement speed via turning into light
Now onto the AP downgrade that this verse needs:
Typhon, one of the most powerful characters in the entire Riordanverse, was said to be responsible for the craters on the moon. For an example of the power needed to do this, let’s use the largest moon crater, South Pole–Aitken basin. It is 2,500 kilometers deep, and about 8.2 kilometers deep. Plugging this into our Semi-Ellipsoid Calculator, we get a volume of 26,834,437.249 Cubic Kilometers or 2.6834437249e+22 cubic centimeters. Now let’s apply violent fragmentation (An extreme lowball), Pulverization, and Vaporization (Scientists say the craters on the Moon are caused by meteors, so this will be our high end).
Violent Fragmentation:
69 joules/cubic centimeter
69 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 1.8515762e+24 joules
Pulverization:
214.35 joules/cubic centimeter
214.35 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 5.7519616e+24 joules
Vaporization:
25,700 joules/cubic centimeter
25,700 x 2.6834437249e+22 = 6.8964504e+26 joules
So to sum it up:
Low End Violent Fragmentation: 442.537332696 Teratons (High 6B, Country Level)
Mid End Pulverization: 1.37475181644 Petatons (6A, Continent Level)
High End Vaporization: 164.829120459 Petatons (High 6A, Multi-Continent Level)
The gods creating constellations could be some level of reality manipulation or matter manipulation, as it would be preposterous to say that one of the verse’s god tiers best feat is hundreds of times weaker than Artemis. Also, in the context of the Riordanverse, the Sun is not actually as far away, powerful, or large, and the constellations are not real stars, but objects placed in the sky itself. Within the Riordan Verse, reality exists in layers, where the constellations are both real stars scientifically, while also being smaller, placed objects for those exposed to the Greek Pantheon. It’s confusing, but your belief system determines which rules apply to you.
Not only this, but Zues flooding the world is 5 Exatons, which while higher, is still only Multi-Continent level, and would, again, be explained by weather manipulation (Which he is THE GOD OF, and should be more powerful with), reality manipulation, or basic matter manipulation. Not only that, but Zues consistently outclasses the other gods by leagues and leagues.
Also, the minor gods should not be over 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of times weaker than the likes of Apollo, at only island level.
Then there’s the Supernova feat, where Jason describes Hera’s true form to look like a supernova. There is no reason this should be valid, as Jason has never seen a supernova or any such explosion and it most likely is a hyperbole. Even worse, he said it “looks like”, and yeah a being of pure energy that can obliterate continents will look like a supernova to an Island level character, but that doesn’t mean it’s comparable to one. If anything, the lack of damage, the fact that the characters only feel a flash of heat when near her, and only die if they directly see her promotes the assumption that this statement is simply put, false. It is a simile meant to illustrate how bright her true form is.
In conclusion, all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their speeds to be edited appropriately to remove their relativistic rating until more concrete feats can be provided, and all major Gods, Titans, and Primordials need their tiers lowered to Multi-Continent level.
Gae could still scale to planet level as an Earth sized entity, but the AP profiles should be edited as follows, (Assuming High 6A was used).
Zeus: At most High 6A physically (Physically weaker than Typhon, and was defeated by him) | Higher with Weather Manipulation (Was able to flood the entire planet) | Far higher with the Thunderbolt (Was able to defeat Typhon with it in only several shots)
Typhon: At least High 6A physically (Was able to create craters on the moon’s surface)
And Typhon’s durability is at least his AP, but could reach 5C as it took several shots from Zues’s lightning bolt to weaken him enough to be captured (Which massively Upscales Zeus' 5 exaton feat), but that will not be included in this draft, as the Typhon feat is up for debate.
Typhon: At least High 6A, likely far higher (Was able to take multiple strikes from Zues’s lightning bolt before being incapacitated)
Zues: At most High 6A (Was defeated by Typhon)
All other gods should scale noticeably below Zues, and would scale to a 6A+ rating or the bottom end of High 6A.
Can't wait to see what you guys think! My Typhon calculation hasn't been verified yet, should I make a blog for it?
Edit: Percy Jackson should also get limited Instinctive Reactions for being able to block bullets he couldn't see by "sensing their path". Gods may also get upgraded to Relativistic+ to Sol anyways due to a possible new calc.
Current Calculations:
The god's vaporize a Sea (Accepted, High 6B, ballpark calc)
Typhon throws a temper-tantrum (Accepted, will probably be removed though, High 6A, would only scale to Zues and Typhon)
Zeus' Masterbolt < Serious Series Punch (Pending, High 6A, only scales to Zeus and Typhon)
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