Kamen Rider Garren vs Rui

While we are waiting for the actual discussion on Kuuga vs Amane Sisters, i presented you an another Riders vs KnY Demons matches
Considering that Kenzaki/Blade were already got plenty of matches, i think why not the secondary Riders as well? And so Garren is chosen
And well, this match is basically the sequel to Kafka Hibino vs Rui match story-wise, lets see how this going to be!

Summary would be added later

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• 9-A EoS Base Garren is used
• Jack Form is used for Garren
• Speed are equalized
• Both are in-characters
• Place: Redwood Forest Whakarewarewa, New Zealand, Night time
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• Starting Range: 50 meters
• Win via anything!!
• Family...: 0
• SAYOKO!!!: 0
• Inconclusive: 0

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VS

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[Razor]

And Im still waiting for the link where garren beats the undead with skill, or explanation on how vague the undead's skill is. and the building sized explosions

 

[IxaSaga2]

-Said fire is supernatural and directly counters demons.

-Because skill lets you dodge omni-directional webs

-When no link, and the only link either of you have sent didnt show any explosion

- Garren's fire is supernatural too.

- Webs gets caught on fire so on so forth

- i would if I could

And Im still waiting for the link where garren beats the undead with skill, or explanation on how vague the undead's skill is.

You gonna have to go through 50 episodes of that and I'm not going to.

thats perfectly valid wym

ok lol

you havent stated how it matters. what James stated has been debunked already

I've stated it since my first argument

still waiting on that clip where he creates a building sized explosion

I would if I could

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Let just cool down here, okay everyone? This is supposed to be a fun debate so don't get too extreme.

 

[IxaSaga2]

But we should close this. Neither side is willing to give up and its getting increasingly toxic.

 

[Razor]

- Garren's fire is supernatural too.

- Webs gets caught on fire so on so forth

- i would if I could


You gonna have to go through 50 episodes of that and I'm not going to.


ok lol


I've stated it since my first argument


I would if I could

Does it counter Kimestu no yaiba demons?

Rui's webs are made out of blood, Super invalid comparison

bruh

 

[Elixirr]

Garren's fire is supernatural too.

was debunked to be NLF

Webs gets caught on fire so on so forth

garren's fire and nezuko's fire isnt the same lol

i would if I could

so basically you have no proof. even the profile doesnt state anything like that

 

[Razor]

You guys cant make claims and not have anything to back it up. otherwise its invalid

 

[Jamesthetaker]

But we should close this. Neither side is willing to give up and its getting increasingly toxic.

I'm don't care about whoever is wining, just want to avoid unwanted bicker.

 

[Razor]

It isn't toxic or anything you guys are saying. I've seen far worse than this. I've only seen one insult in the thread so far

 

[Elixirr]

I'm don't care about whoever is wining, just want to avoid unwanted bicker.

same here

 

[IxaSaga2]

Does it counter Kimestu no yaiba demons?

Rui's webs are made out of blood, Super invalid comparison

bruh

No, legit, I can't find it on youtube.

was debunked to be NLF

Garren's fire came from an Undead who is born by a stone Tablet god thing. This is coming from a series that has water and light and wrestling moves blow shit up. In Kr, anything can explode tbh.

garren's fire and nezuko's fire isnt the same lol

I agree with that but has there been a time where Rui's fire was blocking fire and not burnt by it?

so basically you have no proof. even the profile doesnt state anything like that

The best I have found is a small building sized explosion so I could show that. Garren's bullets should scale.

It isn't toxic or anything you guys are saying. I've seen far worse than this. I've only seen one insult in the thread so far

Not yet, but we were heading that way.

I still gonna stick to my original vote which is incon.

 

[Razor]

No, legit, I can't find it on youtube.


Garren's fire came from an Undead who is born by a stone Tablet god thing. This is coming from a series that has water and light and wrestling moves blow shit up. In Kr, anything can explode tbh.


I agree with that but has there been a time where Rui's fire was blocking fire and not burnt by it?


The best I have found is a small building sized explosion so I could show that. Garren's bullets should scale.


Not yet, but we were heading that way.

I still gonna stick to my original vote which is incon.

Its invalid here if you can't find proof.

Doesn't mean anything really.

Only fire that rui's webs came in contact with is Nezuko's fire, and his webs are made out of his blood so it isn't flammable.

Show it

 

[Elixirr]

Garren's fire came from an Undead who is born by a stone Tablet god thing. This is coming from a series that has water and light and wrestling moves blow shit up. In Kr, anything can explode tbh.

its still speculation, which leads to nlf

I agree with that but has there been a time where Rui's fire was blocking fire and not burnt by it?

rui's fire?

The best I have found is a small building sized explosion so I could show that

show that then

 

[IxaSaga2]

Its invalid here if you can't find proof.

Doesn't mean anything really.

Only fire that rui's webs came in contact with is Nezuko's fire, and his webs are made out of his blood so it isn't flammable.

Show it

its still speculation, which leads to nlf

rui's fire?

oh kekw. Tanjiro's*

show that then

 

[Razor]

oh kekw. Tanjiro's*

Uh is there any proof that's garren?, looks blurry to me. Or that he did it in this key with the bullets?

 

[IxaSaga2]

Uh is there any proof that's garren?, looks blurry to me. Or that he did it in this key with the bullets?

yep, thats Garren alright. He he that with his finisher which scales to his other finishers. and his key we are using should upscale

 

[Razor]

yep, thats Garren alright. He he that with his finisher which scales to his other finishers. and his key we are using should upscale

Were using his second weakest key apart from his human key though? Why would he upscale. Also I'd like a video proof or proof that his finished would scale to his others. These claims doesn't seem to have anything backing them up

 

[Elixirr]

Tanjiro's*

tanjiro doesnt have fire, its just a visual effect

oh kekw. Tanjiro's*

ok so it looks big but rui just spams his threads to the point the explosions cant keep up with it. and if rui uses a technique like Cutting Thread Cage he would have to risk damaging himself to escape and his gun fire doesnt look fast enough to destroy the omni-directional cage closing in on him

 

[IxaSaga2]

Were using his second weakest key apart from his human key though? Why would he upscale. Also I'd like a video proof or proof that his finished would scale to his others. These claims doesn't seem to have anything backing them up

This feat was done in BoS and we are using base form EoS. Garren should've gotten stronger by then. I'm also not sure why it shouldn't scale. Especially when the move he did was pretty casual.

tanjiro doesnt have fire, its just a visual effect

ok so it looks big but rui just spams his threads to the point the explosions cant keep up with it. and if rui uses a technique like Cutting Thread Cage he would have to risk damaging himself to escape and his gun fire doesnt look fast enough to destroy the omni-directional cage closing in on him

Didn't his profile say fire tho? Garren's gun shoots pretty fast and faster with rapid card. and the thing is. They are fighting in a forest. Garren about to make a whole damn forest fire.

 

[Razor]

This feat was done in BoS and we are using base form EoS. Garren should've gotten stronger by then. I'm also not sure why it shouldn't scale. Especially when the move he did was pretty casual.

I see no mention of any BoS or EoS in the OP. Because different moves = different power output?

 

[Elixirr]

Garren's gun shoots pretty fast and faster with rapid card

the technique is very tall and wide, i doubt his bullets would make it in time for him not to get diced since the cage is closing in on him

They are fighting in a forest

just makes it harder for garren to use his agility to dodge then

forest fire

i dont see how that would help via the aforementioned points above

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I see no mention of any BoS or EoS in the OP. Because different moves = different power output?

Its EoS Garren, i forgot to add it on the OP

 

[Razor]

Alr, Wouldn't make much of a difference imo

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Hmmm, true

Also i have a feeling this match will surpassing Akaza vs Ixa in term of pages lel

 

[Razor]

Nah the discussion has ended I think. Anywho I think thats 3 votes for rui and 1 for incon

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'll wait for Ixa and James further arguments, otherwise i counted the vote

 

[BERRIES555]

Since it’s EoS, should we include Jack Garren, with that, he’ll have a better chance at avoiding those webs

I’ll also be retracting my vote to see where everything goes from now

 

[Razor]

I mean james and ixa stopped replying. Also what are the stuff that changes now that its EoS? The profiles doesn't separate keys for them so I'm assuming nothing changes much

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Maybe? I'll let Razor think about it, if he's fine with Jack Form then i'll allowing it

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I mean james and ixa stopped replying. Also what are the stuff that changes now that its EoS? The profiles doesn't separate keys for them so I'm assuming nothing changes much

Well they are busy and i prefer them to continuing instead we going into FRA train without reaching an actual conclusion

 

[Razor]

Maybe? I'll let Razor think about it, if he's fine with Jack Form then i'll allowing it

Well from what I'm seeing the only thing he has in his jack form thats new is flight. unless he spams that IC I don't see anything that changes much, but if he does just spam it then it turns into a stomp cause rui can't fly

 

[BERRIES555]

I don’t remember him every spamming his flight, but it will allow him to dodge those webs much easier if he can’t fire them out of the sky

 

[BERRIES555]

He usually goes for hit and run tactics in this form iirc

 

[Elixirr]

hit and run tactics in this form iirc

so from what you've said Im assuming that he'll fly down and try to land some hits on rui and then fly away.

in that case, I believe rui can use cutting thread cage as he is closing in on him to trap him and from then its whether his guns or explosions (?) will be able to get him out in time, which Im leaning towards a no because of their sheer height and width and the fact that its constantly closing in on him

and even if garren destroys the thread cage rui can create another one since he doesnt have a cooldown on his techniques due to his limitless stamina

 

[Lynieryz]

would it work?

Thief Chameleon (Copies an opponent's form or attack. The Chameleon Undead was able to turn invisible and Garren should be able too)

 

[Lynieryz]

Can't he make multiple copies of himself? and each of them has infinite ammo with each shot generating an explosion?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Alright i guess i can allowing Jack Form to be used

 

[BERRIES555]

so from what you've said Im assuming that he'll fly down and try to land some hits on rui and then fly away.

in that case, I believe rui can use cutting thread cage as he is closing in on him to trap him and from then its whether his guns or explosions (?) will be able to get him out in time, which Im leaning towards a no because of their sheer height and width and the fact that its constantly closing in on him

and even if garren destroys the thread cage rui can create another one since he doesnt have a cooldown on his techniques due to his limitless stamina

Depending on how fast Rui can put these threads out, Garren could simply fly out of the way. He also doesn’t need to get close while firing. His movement are hit and run while he fired away at either ranges

would it work?

I actually forgot about Thief Chameleon. Essentially, all Garren needs to do it use the Thief Chameleon card to turn invisible, simple as that. And Rui doesn’t have enhanced senses, so this ability might be really bad for him

Can't he make multiple copies of himself? and each of them has infinite ammo with each shot generating an explosion?

He summon 1 clone and I’m pretty sure his gun has infinite ammo, he’s actually never shown to reload at all, even in that weeks long fight. Each bullet produced a small explosion, they get bigger with his enhancements.

 

[BERRIES555]

Also, how does Rui’s regen work. Of his arm got sliced off, does he grow a new arm or does he need to reattach it?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

He grow new arm iirc, at least based from what i remember on Rengoku vs Akaza