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When Creators Cry: Answer Arcs (Yes, it's a downgrade)

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Lormac_CC said:
Low 1-A would be a massive downplay. The end will be a place beyond the reach of layers, no matter how many layers are added, it will never reach it
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Yeah that's the criteria for 1A but after high 1B should be low 1A
 
The ladder is 1-B, Transcends the ladder should be 1-A atleast by term of definiton.
It was stated to be a place beyond conception and all notion of restrictions.
 
As I already said, the Umineko ladder operates like a finite ladder but this website is very lax with the usage of infinity, hence it should qualify for High 1-B unless we want to downgrade 10s of verses for the sake of fairness.

However, Creators being anything above High 1-B/low 1-A is exaggeration imo. There are lots of issues with the conflicts between the usage of low 1-A and it's definition as well, but for the sake of fairness I guess it can be equated to any kind of vague transcendence over an infinite hierarchy (even though it's tier definition retardedly conflicts with that notion). But 1-A is absolutely out of the question. Being restrictionless doesn't prove the Creator's domain is Inaccessibly above the hierarchy, and saying it is would need you to pretend all the instances of the story that talk about how witches have/can reach the realm of the creator don't exist. It's restrictionless because the hierarchy itself works on removal of restrictions. Arguing something is 1-A because of being "restrictionless" in a hierarchy that involves removing restrictions in the first place is like arguing the top layer of a R>F hierarchy would automatically qualify for 1-A because it's real while everything else is fiction. But that's all stuff for another(possibly) thread.
 
Laminitus said:
The ladder is 1-B, Transcends the ladder should be 1-A atleast by term of definiton.
It was stated to be a place beyond conception and all notion of restrictions.
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No i think, transcends the ladder it's would be still 1-B. Beyond conception and all notion of restriction it means nothing at all for 1-A.

Unless the ladder itself is High 1-B.
 
Darksmash said:
As I already said, the Umineko ladder operates like a finite ladder but this website is very lax with the usage of infinity, hence it should qualify for High 1-B unless we want to downgrade 10s of verses for the sake of fairness.
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10 mistakes doesn't make it become a truth, isn't we discussed to find the truth and terminate the mistake?
 
Darksmash said:
Try creating a seperate content revision thread on this topic then, because it would affect a lot of verses
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Im too lazy to do that, to be honest.
This is not even my account.
I just borrowed my friend's account.
can you created the thread ? I'll join to discussion.
 
QuasiYuri said:
That's what fiction follows, that's why we deal with infinity that way
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Not all fiction is like that, most creators don't understand how infinity works. Take Umineko for example, there is a statement that a voyager journey has no end, but there is also a scan that a voyagers have a final step then they enter the kingdom of God. While the creator of the story might have had the idea of making the ladder Infinite, the very structure of the story contradicts that.
 
Lormac_CC said:
Not all fiction is like that, most creators don't understand how infinity works. Take Umineko for example, there is a statement that a voyager journey has no end, but there is also a scan that a voyagers have a final step then they enter the kingdom of God. While the creator the story might have had the idea of making the ladder Infinite, the very structure of the story contradicts that.
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Or it's just that they don't treat Infinity the way maths do because Infinity isn't a number in real life.
 
QuasiYuri said:
Or it's just that they don't treat Infinity the way maths do because Infinity isn't a number in real life.
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Then they won't really qualify for the wiki standards since the wiki works on real life maths, There are verses that treats infinity normally. Magi for example
 
QuasiYuri said:
That's what fiction follows, that's why we deal with infinity that way.
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Or maybe they are just using infinity hyperbolically (which makes 100% more sense with both maths and the cosmologies)

Lormac_CC said:
there is a statement that a voyager journey has no end, but there is also a scan that a voyagers have a final step then they enter the kingdom of God. While the creator of the story might have had the idea of making the ladder Infinite, the very structure of the story contradicts that.
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Voyagers' journey not having an endpoint was likely just an exaggeration of them being afraid of the creator and stalling their journey.
 
Yeah, this is much like Infinite speed having levels, like, some Infinite speed characters's being greater than others.

As Yuri said, that's how fiction treats it, all has a limit. If not, Zeref from FT would have infinite strenght AKA High 3-A, just for having an infinite supply of Magic.
 
QuasiYuri:

What should we currently do here?

Also, did you edit the page that I unlocked for you earlier?
 
Sorry for this little derail... but since apparently the major changes for the AP were already settled, now I can use Umineko chars in threads? Or it should be preferable to wait a little bit longer?
 
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