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I wasn't asserting the Umineko cosmology literally works like this. It was an analogy for the statement used not necessarily meaning a single ladder, hence I tried to get that dude to explain the context of it being a single ladder.You are starting with the assumption that multiple ladders is a well established thing and isn't just some shaky headcanon assumed based on minimal evidence.
Taking an argument apart in a vacuum isn't really helpful. You have to also consider what exactly the argument is countering and what are the assumptions it builds upon.I wasn't asserting the Umineko cosmology literally works like this. It was an analogy for the statement used not necessarily meaning a single ladder, hence I tried to get that dude to explain the context of it being a single ladder.
If the hierarchy's endpoint is the creator, then I'm not sure if this is the best argument1. The hierarchy is not infinite, lambdadelta said it's infinite but that's just her thought, and not an factual statement.
Lambdadelta's statement got debunked by asumu/piece in last note.
She literally said the hierarchy has end point, which mean the hierarchy is just 1-B.
Scans for the 6D stuff? Cause even regular witches are 1B, so this doesn't make much sense.2. How does being a great witch give High 1-B in tier? Hanyuu furude is a great witch, yet she's just 6th dimensional being.
Great witch is just Higher rank witch than the speaker.
I mean, it doesn't really change much seeing as Omnipotence doesn't mean that much on the wiki3. The creator was explained as Omnipotent and omniscient who created everything and completely boundless from all notion of restriction <- it was explained in original japanese version, idk why in english version they change some of the statement. (I play the raw version and have the scan, i can send it later)
Scan for thIs, Lambdadelta's statement was Maybe our world like going down an Infinite ladderShe literally said the hierarchy has end point, which mean the hierarchy is just 1-B
ScanHow does being a great witch give High 1-B in tier? Hanyuu furude is a great witch, yet she's just 6th dimensional being.
Great witch is just Higher rank witch than the speaker.
Doesn't really change muchThe creator was explained as Omnipotent and omniscient who created everything and completely boundless from all notion of restriction <- it was explained in original japanese version, idk why in english version they change some of the statement. (I play the raw version and have the scan, i can send it later)
What do you mean thats not the best argument? I just pointing out that the hierarchy can't be infinite becuase it has end point.If the hierarchy's endpoint is the creator, then I'm not sure if this is the best argument
Scans for the 6D stuff? Cause even regular witches are 1B, so this doesn't make much sense.
Well, i just pointing out that the original japanese version talking about singular creator who is omnipotent and creator of everything.I mean, it doesn't really change much seeing as Omnipotence doesn't mean that much on the wiki
We kinda use infinite as a set for everything.What do you mean thats not the best argument? I just pointing out that the hierarchy can't be infinite becuase it has end point.
Infinite should be never end.
Ik which scan you are referring to, but it is her human domain manifestation.I will send it later, im still at work right now.
I already proved how the japanese also was about several Creators. Did you read the OP?Well, i just pointing out that the original japanese version talking about singular creator who is omnipotent and creator of everything.
While the english version talking about multiple creators.
I think we should follow the original japanese version than the english version.
In this case is not about infinite set, its about the context of statement itself.We kinda use infinite as a set for everything.
No, thats from her database which stated she come from beyond 5th dimension.Ik which scan you are referring to, but it is her human domain manifestation.
I do, but i think you wrong at some point.I already proved how the japanese also was about several Creators. Did you read the OP?
I agree with this. But the thing is, this website is extremely lax with the usage of infinity. Things like infinity having an endpoint isn't seen as a contradiction here, otherwise it would initiate mass downgrades for a lot of other verses. Hence for the sake of fairness this shouldn't be used as a counter argument.1. The hierarchy is not infinite, lambdadelta said it's infinite but that's just her thought, and not an factual statement.
Lambdadelta's statement got debunked by asumu/piece in last note.
She literally said the hierarchy has end point, which mean the hierarchy is just 1-B.
I also agree here. Arbitrary terms like "great witch" don't really provide any concrete evidence for anything at all and idk why we give such arguments a pass just because they are being used for Umineko. Wouldn't work for several other verses.2. How does being a great witch give High 1-B in tier? Hanyuu furude is a great witch, yet she's just 6th dimensional being.
Great witch is just Higher rank witch than the speaker.
Two wrongs don't make a right, why does that not mean other verses should be downgraded as well?Things like infinity having an endpoint isn't seen as a contradiction here, otherwise it would initiate mass downgrades for a lot of other verses.
This literally makes sense but doesn't infinite have an end?I thought only uncountable infinite didn't have an end.In this case is not about infinite set, its about the context of statement itself.
When lambdadelta stated about infinite ladder, she's not even sure about her own statement. "Maybe our world like going down an infinite ladder"
That's just her assumtion which got debunked by asumu/piece in last note.
"My master reached that peak, then realize that was not a place to go for those with will and then returned"
featherine found the Highest point of the ladder which lead to the creator domain.
Sooo the hierarchy has end point/ not infinite.
No, thats from her database which stated she come from beyond 5th dimension.
I do, but i think you wrong at some point.
There are 2 kind of creators.
1. The original creator who created everything.
2. Creator witches.
Creator witches are not the creator, they are creators but not the one who created all of existance.
I haven't seen any verse like that on the wiki. Verses I Know are High 1-B are Infinite or endlessTwo wrongs don't make a right, why does that not mean other verses should be downgraded as well?
The amount of downgrades that would initiate is terrifying. Best to just ignore it and accept it as consensus. You can't fix everything on this wiki.Two wrongs don't make a right, why does that not mean other verses should be downgraded as well?
Almost all verses I know with infinite hierarchies have some kind of "top" to them, with said top being reachable through the hierarchy. SCP, Umineko, I/O, Lovecraft, possibly Dark Tower etcI haven't seen any verse like that on the wiki. Verses I Know are High 1-B are Infinite or endless
Well it's not like everything on this wiki is PERFECT.Two wrongs don't make a right, why does that not mean other verses should be downgraded as well?
Pretty much a big part of the wiki.Two wrongs don't make a right, why does that not mean other verses should be downgraded as well?
Alright agree with thisAlmost all verses I know with infinite hierarchies have some kind of "top" to them, with said top being reachable through the hierarchy. SCP, Umineko, I/O, Lovecraft, possibly Dark Tower etc
There's never been any differentation on that subject. The only proof of an "original The Creator" is a mistranslation of a line in Lambda Memoirs.I do, but i think you wrong at some point.
There are 2 kind of creators.
1. The original creator who created everything.
2. Creator witches.
Creator witches are not the creator, they are creators but not the one who created all of existance.
You can't fix everything on this wiki.
I mean we should still index as accurately as possible right...Well it's not like everything on this wiki is PERFECT.
Here it is more because infinity is a set the moment you apply it to a structure (at least in fiction).I agree with this. But the thing is, this website is extremely lax with the usage of infinity. Things like infinity having an endpoint isn't seen as a contradiction here, otherwise it would initiate mass downgrades for a lot of other verses. Hence for the sake of fairness this shouldn't be used as a counter argument.
Can you post those interview statements???In the interview, ryukishi also stated about featherine being the closest thing to a god but not the god itself.
He also stated there are multiple writers/creators like featherine but they are not the God who began all of existance.
SureCan you post those interview statements???
Because that's extremely important if true
I put the jap in the OP and it never says such a thing.Well i play both the original japanese version and english version.
Im pretty sure the original one stated about the creator who is the one who created everything which does not exist in english version.
That's the guy asking a question who formulated it this way. Ryushiki07's answers clearly says she's a Creator and match everything made in-verse.In the interview, ryukishi also stated about featherine being the closest thing to a god but not the god itself.
There are several Creators yes. Your idea of a single one who created existence is still a headcanon.He also stated there are multiple writers/creators like featherine but they are not the God who began all of existance.
The keyword is "that". It says she is the closest thing to God in that world. That is, her avatar is the closest being to the creator(same thing as an author avatar being the closest thing to an author)."R07: That’s one way to look at it. Featherine is the closest thing to a god in that world, the world’s guardian.
Doesn’t work for something that transcends said hierarchyWhat do you mean thats not the best argument? I just pointing out that the hierarchy can't be infinite becuase it has end point.
Infinite should be never end.
I have deleted the two pages, but these other pages need to have their links to them updated:Removed Santa and Creator from the verse pages, both need to be deleted.
I will unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.I also edited the cosmology page n the verse one, but Truths are still locked so can't do anything 'bout them rn.
I think they are still waiting for Ultima to arrive.
They’re still disagreeing when it comes to the truths scalingI think they are still waiting for Ultima to arrive.
Can you also unlock Black Battler and Theory Goats for a minor change?I have deleted the two pages,
We have no Great Witch profiles.I think we should remove High 1-B rating, being a great witch to attain that tier does not make sense.
As i said before, the great witch is just higher rank witch than the speaker.
And the infinite hierarchy does not have solid explanation beside lambdadelta's assumption which got contradiction.
I agree with 1-B stuff but totally dissagree with high 1-B stuff
What do you mean by having tier above High 1-B disprove the High 1-B contradiction?Also infinity having an end isn't enough to disprove it since we litteraly have tiers above High 3-A, 2-A or High 1-B.
Basically according to you infinity having an end here is supposed to debunk stuff.What do you mean by having tier above High 1-B disprove the High 1-B contradiction?
1-A can still be attained without having High 1-B cosmology.
That's literally different case with this one.Basically according to you infinity having an end here is supposed to debunk stuff.
If it was the case nobody would be above High 3-A.
This is a different case thoIf it was the case nobody would be above High 3-A.